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Vick deal? He deserves maximum

Friday, Aug 17, 2007 - 12:05 AM Updated: 12:24 AM

By PAUL WOODY
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For taking part in the execution of eight pit bull terriers, by hanging, drowning and slamming one to the ground, Michael Vick faces 12 to 18 months in prison.

For sponsoring dogfights and engaging interstate gambling for six years, Michael Vick faces 12 to 18 months in prison.

For condoning the execution, by a .22 caliber pistol, of pit bulls that did not perform well enough in test fights, Michael Vick, quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons and former star at Virginia Tech, faces 12 to 18 months in prison.

When he's done with his prison time - good behavior will cut 15 percent off the sentence - Vick almost certainly will face a suspension from the NFL, probably for a year.

After that, he can get on with his life and football career.

Sorry. No sale.

Vick deserves the maximum penalty for his crime, five years in a federal prison. And when he is released, Vick should be banned from the NFL for life.

Enough is enough. Vick does not deserve to walk among civilized people. He certainly does not deserve to make millions of dollars playing football.

Vick and his partners brutally murdered defenseless animals. They helped perpetuate an activity that no doubt resulted in the death of countless other defenseless animals.

If Vick receives a 12-month sentence, 10.2 months with the good-time credit, followed by a year's suspension from the NFL, he could be back in uniform by his 29th birthday.

For taking part in the execution of eight pit bull terriers, by hanging, drowning and slamming one to the ground? For sponsoring dogfights and interstate gambling for six years? For condoning the execution, by a .22 caliber pistol, of pit bulls that did not perform well enough in test fights?

No way.

Vick did the crime. He deserves the full amount of the time.

You can argue that even with a 12-month sentence, Vick will have paid his debt and made amends for his behavior. You can say he has cost himself millions in salary, bonuses and endorsements.

But given the mentality of NFL coaches and teams, Vick will have several teams bidding for his services soon after his NFL suspension ends. He'll begin to recoup the millions he lost.

The image consultants will turn Vick into a champion of the animal kingdom. He'll be forgiven for his crimes and be highly sought by fantasy football players everywhere.

That's what we do. We take low-life miscreants who have a unique talent and project qualities on them - they're gracious and giving and have soft hearts - because that's what we want in our icons.

Now we know Vick is none of those things. The softness of a person's heart should be judged on how he treats the defenseless and by how he acts when no one is watching.

Vick fails on both counts.

He does not deserve a lucrative contract to play football. He never again should have tens of thousands of fans in stadiums cheering for him.

What Vick did was despicable.

Vick's athletic skills long have gotten him breaks. As severe as a 12to 18-month prison term sounds, Vick would be getting another break if he receives such a sentence.

All others who engage in dogfighting need to be afraid, very afraid that they're next in line for five years in prison. Every NFL player who thinks he is above the law should be put on notice he is not.

Playing in the NFL is high-reward, high-profile endeavor.

Vick has shown he deserves neither the reward nor the profile.

He deserves to be punished. Five years in prison and a lifetime ban from the NFL are good places to start.
 

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The guy obviously wants Vick to pay.
I understand.

I dont think it is gonna be that easy for Vick... in jail and then when he gets out.

In jail its 50-50... he either hooks up with other thugs or... he gets directed to the nearest arsewhipping cell block.

Any team that signs him will have constant distractions. PETA and other protesters wont let it go. I am convinced. Especially if he "plea's out".... people know that game by now.
 

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I'd debate anyone who thinks that Vick will ever throw another NFL pass. Regardless of if he serves 1 year or 20 years.

There isn't a team or owner in the league who would touch him after he gets out.

The prospect of hitching your wagon to a convicted felon who never developed into a quality quarterback anyway is ridiculous.

Nobody will be that stupid.
 

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stasheroo;1592019 said:
I'd debate anyone who thinks that Vick will ever throw another NFL pass. Regardless of if he serves 1 year or 20 years.

There isn't a team or owner in the league who would touch him after he gets out.

The prospect of hitching your wagon to a convicted felon who never developed into a quality quarterback anyway is ridiculous.

Nobody will be that stupid.

I hear ya and absolutely agree with you that is should be that way.... but... a team WILL sign him... society is very forgiving with time, time makes people forget or atleast care less... he will apologize, promise to change or say that jail and the experience changed him, he will start a org or charity for pets/dogs, donate money... something... then people will back off little by little...
 

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Sorry, but when it comes down to it, its just dogs.

Don't see people up in arms about Leonard Little murdering a defensless woman and still play in the NFL and recive a lucrative contract. maybe we should contact PETH (People for the Ethical Treatment of Humans).

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cach...d+little+kills+woman&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

In a St. Louis cemetery, Susan Gutweiler rests beside a daughter who was killed in a car accident 20 years ago. Gutweiler, who was 47 at the time of the accident, left behind a husband and a teenage son.

Ninety nights of shock time, to be spent in this St. Louis work house, comprise part of the sentence Little received after pleading guilty to involuntary manslaughter last June. He's completed about a third of that to date and part of 1,000 hours of community service a judge also ordered him to perform. If he finishes both, after four years of probation, his record will be cleared, leaving no legal trace of so many shattered lives.

Leonard Little says his sentence, 90-days in a work house and 1000 hours of community service, has been difficult to handle.
 

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I guess the 'two wrongs make a right' routine never gets old for some people.

I guess because they made a mistake in not punishing Little enough, they should make that same mistake again?

Good thinking.
 

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sacase;1592026 said:
Sorry, but when it comes down to it, its just dogs.


Sheesh, man...keep up, OK?! We have already discussed these two incidents, over and over and over!

One was an accident, the other intentional for the fun if it...they are both different in all aspects! And yes, everyone on this freaking board has agreed that Little should have gotten more punishment!

:bang2:
 

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YoMick;1592024 said:
I hear ya and absolutely agree with you that is should be that way.... but... a team WILL sign him... society is very forgiving with time, time makes people forget or atleast care less... he will apologize, promise to change or say that jail and the experience changed him, he will start a org or charity for pets/dogs, donate money... something... then people will back off little by little...

I'd like to see you make that case.

What team could afford the PR nightmare?

What team is so lacking at QB?

What team would be willing to scrap their offense for streetball?

What team could take the financial hit when their fanbase cancels their tickets or luxury boxes?

Too much downside for a guy who was never that good.
 

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stasheroo;1592019 said:
I'd debate anyone who thinks that Vick will ever throw another NFL pass. Regardless of if he serves 1 year or 20 years.

There isn't a team or owner in the league who would touch him after he gets out.

The prospect of hitching your wagon to a convicted felon who never developed into a quality quarterback anyway is ridiculous.

Nobody will be that stupid.

I think he will play again in the NFL.
Like the writer said, we fans have a penchant for rehabbing lost souls. Look at Irvin, Ray Lewis . . . it's a lengthy list. And we, in the name of redemption, keep propping these guys up. Irvin's was a societal crime (drugs) and Lewis' (alleged crime) was of a severe criminal nature (a killing) but they both quickly found redemption with fans and teams.

I can easily see Vick 2 years from now with the Raiders or in Miami.
Heading an animal-protection foundation with do-gooder publicists and on a speaking tour to tell us what he has learned about being a man, taking responsibility, yada-yada-yada.

Yes, he will play again. Whether he will keep his skills is another thing. But there will always be a refuge for outlaws in the NFL. In the name of redemption and winning, that is.
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I am really sick of all this condemnation of Vick when we as a country murder millions of unborn every year in the name of choice. It is really getting old!!
 

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sacase;1592026 said:
Sorry, but when it comes down to it, its just dogs.

Don't see people up in arms about Leonard Little murdering a defensless woman and still play in the NFL and recive a lucrative contract. maybe we should contact PETH (People for the Ethical Treatment of Humans).

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cach...d+little+kills+woman&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

In a St. Louis cemetery, Susan Gutweiler rests beside a daughter who was killed in a car accident 20 years ago. Gutweiler, who was 47 at the time of the accident, left behind a husband and a teenage son.

Ninety nights of shock time, to be spent in this St. Louis work house, comprise part of the sentence Little received after pleading guilty to involuntary manslaughter last June. He's completed about a third of that to date and part of 1,000 hours of community service a judge also ordered him to perform. If he finishes both, after four years of probation, his record will be cleared, leaving no legal trace of so many shattered lives.

Leonard Little says his sentence, 90-days in a work house and 1000 hours of community service, has been difficult to handle.

What were the circumstances of the car accident? Was he drunk? Was he speeding? Or was it an unfortunate occurrence that resulted in someone's death?

Any time you get behind the wheel, something terrible can happen. You just don't know. Even if you're completely sober and following all the traffic laws, someone can die in a car accident with you today. Would that make you a criminal? I wouldn't pass too much judgement here without more information.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;1592040 said:
I think he will play again in the NFL.
Like the writer said, we fans have a penchant for rehabbing lost souls. Look at Irvin, Ray Lewis . . . it's a lengthy list. And we, in the name of redemption, keep propping these guys up. Irvin's was a societal crime (drugs) and Lewis' (alleged crime) was of a severe criminal nature (a killing) but they both quickly found redemption with fans and teams.

I can easily see Vick 2 years from now with the Raiders or in Miami.
Heading an animal-protection foundation with do-gooder publicists and on a speaking tour to tell us what he has learned about being a man, taking responsibility, yada-yada-yada.

Yes, he will play again. Whether he will keep his skills is another thing. But there will always be a refuge for outlaws in the NFL. In the name of redemption and winning, that is.
:(

Not gonna happen.

Firstly, both Miami and Oakland just invested heavily in their quarterbacks of the future.

Secondly, what did Vick ever 'win' for the Falcons in all the time he was there? His 'skills' aren't worth the trouble.

And Vick isn't and has never been a guy who does the right thing.

He lied to the commisioner's face when confronted about these crimes and he didn't even have the guts to read his prepared (by someone else) statement proclaiming his innocence.
 

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aikemirv;1592042 said:
I am really sick of all this condemnation of Vick when we as a country murder millions of unborn every year in the name of choice. It is really getting old!!

Once again, two wrongs apparently make a right..............
 

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stasheroo;1592048 said:
Once again, two wrongs apparently make a right..............


Nope, does not make either right but if you support one and condemn the other it is pretty ridiculous.

And how our society should be so much above this type of behavior. Please!!!
 

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aikemirv;1592050 said:
Nope, does not make either right but if you support one and condemn the other it is pretty ridiculous.

Who says I can't 'condemn' both?

I don't see what one has anything to do with the other anyway.

The world is full of injustices.
 

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Boyzmamacita;1592045 said:
What were the circumstances of the car accident? Was he drunk? Was he speeding? Or was it an unfortunate occurrence that resulted in someone's death?

Any time you get behind the wheel, something terrible can happen. You just don't know. Even if you're completely sober and following all the traffic laws, someone can die in a car accident with you today. Would that make you a criminal? I wouldn't pass too much judgement here without more information.

He was drunk and pleaded down to involuntary manslaughter in 98.

I think he was later arrested for speeding and dui in 05 as well.

If he did not get more time for the killing he should have been slammed for the next time IMO.

No excuse for his short time for the 98 situation.

However it does not effect what Vick should/should not receive in his case.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1592056 said:
He was drunk and pleaded down to involuntary manslaughter in 98.

I think he was later arrested for speeding and dui in 05 as well.

If he did not get more time for the killing he should have been slammed for the next time IMO.

No excuse for his short time for the 98 situation.

However it does not effect what Vick should/should not receive in his case.

I agree. I don't see what 1 has to do with the other. The judge in the Little case evidently dropped the ball and let Little off with a light sentence. As for public outrage, I think a lot has to do with most everyone knows who Vick is regardless if you watch the NFL or not, I think most non football fans would not know anything about Little.
 

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stasheroo;1592047 said:
He lied to the commisioner's face when confronted about these crimes and he didn't even have the guts to read his prepared (by someone else) statement proclaiming his innocence.


See this is another problem. Right or Wrong the commissoner has put himself in the Justice process. If Vick had sad, yes I did it. Then the he can be called as a witness. Perhaps the right answer would have been. I will talk to you about it after the leagal issues have been worked out.
 
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