BREAKDOWN: Wentz vs Goff vs Lynch- Arm Strength

[egn22]

Comparing Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, and Paxton Lynch: Arm strength edition


The consensus top three quarterbacks in the 2016 NFL Draft are North Dakota State's Carson Wentz, Memphis' Paxton Lynch, and Cal's Jared Goff. We'll compare those three quarterbacks trait-by-trait over the next couple weeks, beginning with arm strength.

Arm Strength
Watching Carson Wentz throw in person at the Senior Bowl, I came away very impressed not only with his arm strength, but the ease with which he makes throws that require velocity. It just looked effortless to him. It was fun watching Wentz rip a sideline throw with zip, and then the next quarterback up throwing lollipops by comparison.

Wentz's arm shows up in games. I found similar sideline throws by Wentz, Lynch and Goff, that serve as good examples of the kind of arm strength each quarterback has. On the eye test alone, you can see that Wentz's sideline throw clearly gets there with more velocity than Goff's or Lynch's. It's not close.

http://www.phillyvoice.com/detailed-comparison-carson-wentz-jared-goff-and-paxton-lynch/

 

[JBS]

Arm strength is overrated

 

[egn22]

I'm gonna go ahead and post the other parts of the series in this thread because they're not incredibly easy to find. (Site doesn't provide quick links to continue)

Comparing Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, and Paxton Lynch: Release edition



Release
In the NFL, passing windows disappear quickly, and pass rushers close in on quarterbacks in a flash. That's why having a quick release at the professional level is so important.

In training camp last year, we got to see one of the reasons Tim Tebow failed in the NFL -- because once he made the decision to throw, you could time his release with a sundial. Conversely, hate him if you will, but Tony Romo's release is special. Watch this:

http://www.phillyvoice.com/comparing-carson-wentz-jared-goff-and-paxton-lynch-release-edition/

 

[egn22]

Comparing Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, and Paxton Lynch: Mobility edition
Mobility
First, let's take a look at Wentz's, Lynch's and Goff's career rushing numbers. To note, college quarterback rushing stats include yardage lost on sacks, so it's not a great comparison to what you're used to for those of you geared more toward pro football, but it does give an OK player-by-player comparison.

PlayerRush Yards YPC TD
Carson Wentz216 1028 4.8 13
Paxton Lynch288 687 2.4 17
Jared Goff170 -114 -0.7 1

My favorite quarterback among the three from a mobility standpoint is Wentz. For a guy who is 6'6, 235, Wentz is incredibly nimble. For example, I loved this play against Northern Iowa. He's going to be sacked, but he somehow stays on his feet and keeps running. You'll see wide receivers and running backs do this from time to time, but not often 6'6 quarterbacks:

http://www.phillyvoice.com/comparing-carson-wentz-jared-goff-paxton-lynch-mobility-edition/

 

[JBS]

Good thread idea...I'm enjoying this

 

[Risen Star]

The more you really break down these QBs you'll realize this is a 1 QB class. The other 2 first rounders aren't even comparable and that will be proven over time.

To sit at 4 and hope he falls to you, then when he doesn't simply shrug your shoulders and go in another direction as if you tried but it simply didn't work out is unacceptable. It's what a loser would do. The CB doesn't matter.The DE doesn't matter. The RB or DT or LB doesn't matter. Get that QB or look back on this opportunity with regret.

 

[reddyuta]

The more you really break down these QBs you'll realize this is a 1 QB class. The other 2 first rounders aren't even comparable and that will be proven over time.

To sit at 4 and hope he falls to you, then when he doesn't simply shrug your shoulders and go in another direction as if you tried but it simply didn't work out is unacceptable. It's what a loser would do. The CB doesn't matter.The DE doesn't matter. The RB or DT or LB doesn't matter. Get that QB or look back on this opportunity with regret.

I disagree about the QBs but we will see in few years if you are right.

 

[egn22]

The more you really break down these QBs you'll realize this is a 1 QB class. The other 2 first rounders aren't even comparable and that will be proven over time.

To sit at 4 and hope he falls to you, then when he doesn't simply shrug your shoulders and go in another direction as if you tried but it simply didn't work out is unacceptable. It's what a loser would do. The CB doesn't matter.The DE doesn't matter. The RB or DT or LB doesn't matter. Get that QB or look back on this opportunity with regret.

Man I'm starting to come around to the band wagon. Willing to even trade up for him.

hate the idea of trading up, but I'd be lying if I said a draft that ends w Wentz as a Cowboy isn't my favorite outcome.

 

[reddyuta]

I'm gonna go ahead and post the other parts of the series in this thread because they're not incredibly easy to find. (Site doesn't provide quick links to continue)

Comparing Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, and Paxton Lynch: Release edition



Release
In the NFL, passing windows disappear quickly, and pass rushers close in on quarterbacks in a flash. That's why having a quick release at the professional level is so important.

In training camp last year, we got to see one of the reasons Tim Tebow failed in the NFL -- because once he made the decision to throw, you could time his release with a sundial. Conversely, hate him if you will, but Tony Romo's release is special. Watch this:

http://www.phillyvoice.com/comparing-carson-wentz-jared-goff-and-paxton-lynch-release-edition/

I think God's release is comparable to Romos .

 

[Risen Star]

I disagree about the QBs but we will see in few years if you are right.

You disagree about what in particular? Do they all suck?

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Would be worth it for TEN to trade down to 4 if they like Tunsil and Ramsey about the same. We'd take Wentz at 1 and CLE would take Goff at 2 and TEN would be guaranteed of Tunsil or Ramsey at 4. But what would be the cost for us to move up?

 

[Risen Star]

Man I'm starting to come around to the band wagon. Willing to even trade up for him.

hate the idea of trading up, but I'd be lying if I said a draft that ends w Wentz as a Cowboy isn't my favorite outcome.

This man has been football born again.

You will be issued your sandals, robe and sunblock shortly.

 

[Risen Star]

We can talk about a trade up all we want it's not going to happen. They won't make a move like that with Romo still around.

So when you see Wentz making Tom Brady look like a camp cut in the NFL, blame Tony Romo. I know I will. I'm already starting to hate him.

 

[egn22]

Would be worth it for TEN to trade down to 4 if they like Tunsil and Ramsey about the same. We'd take Wentz at 1 and CLE would take Goff at 2 and TEN would be guaranteed of Tunsil or Ramsey at 4. But what would be the cost for us to move up?

This would be a good thread idea. I have NO CLUE. I understand draft trade value, the same way I understand salary cap rules/strategy.

 

[Avery]

I think Wentz will go higher than #1.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Arm strength is only a small portion of a QB equations. You can have a very good QB that doesn't have a great arm. Are good strength is a bonus, not a requirement.

 

[skinsscalper]

I think Wentz will go higher than #1.

 

[texbumthelife]

Really doesn't change my view at all. In the physical skills that are most important to an NFL QB, accuracy, ball placement and release, Goff is the leader of the pack. He's not going to take off and run for 50 yards, but that's not an aspect I covet in a QB.

 

[reddyuta]

You disagree about what in particular? Do they all suck?

None of them suck.lynch needs the most work followed by Wentz.

 

[tm1119]

Goff has a quicker release, better accuracy, better ball placement in tight windows, and a better ability to go threw progressions.

Wentz is bigger, stronger, and faster but not a better QB right now. Down the line? Could very well be better but there are tons of factors that go into that. I think we'd actually be a pretty good spot for him so I'd be happy with either.

Lynch needs a ton of work under center and I don't think he's a fit here. Our coaching staff and Lynch just don't go together. I think he'd be better on a team that uses more shotgun spread like the Broncos

Other than that don't draft a QB until the 6th. 2nd-4th rounders in this draft aren't worth the pick.