Breaking down misperceptions about draft prospects

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It's that time again, folks. Time for one of the most anticipated events of the NFL draft season (at least by my editor). Time for GMs to go scurrying to their war rooms to reevaluate their draft boards.
It's the fifth annual Overrated/Underrated column.

For those new to this tradition, I choose one player at each position who I feel is overrated by the various draft analysts, prognosticators and others who rank prospects for a living, and one who is underrated. I'm sorry to inform you that this list is not based off hundreds of hours of film evaluation or scouring combine results. It's based on a far-simpler method: Watching college football.

Every year, scouts unnecessarily drag down a few perfectly qualified prospects and foolishly prop up others due to their insistence on emphasizing so many things besides actual college production. While it's certainly not the only measuring stick, you would think such a thing would carry more weight than how fast a guy runs the 40-yard dash in shorts in February.
Past editions of this column have produced their share of both hits and misses. It's too early to judge the results of last year's just yet, though I definitely screwed up that Laurence Maroney bit. I'll go ahead and give myself some props for Marcus McNeill, though.

On to this year's crop, which, I must say, was the hardest one to do yet because ... I can't believe I'm saying this ... I think the scouts, for the most part, have it right. But there are exceptions.

Quarterback
Overrated: Brady Quinn, Notre Dame ( FILM ROOM)
Is Quinn worthy of a first-round pick? Absolutely. There's no slighting his productivity running Charlie Weis' pro-style offense the past two seasons. I just can't believe the Irish star is still being mentioned in the same breath as LSU's JaMarcus Russell. If you watched last year's Sugar Bowl, in which the two played on the same field, the difference was like night and day. (Or as one participant in the game told me, "Like high school vs. pee wee.")
Yes, Russell had the benefit of a better supporting cast, and yes, Quinn was facing a much tougher defense, but it was still painfully obvious that Russell was an elite-level prospect who made all sorts of ridiculous throws that neither Quinn nor any other college quarterback last year could dream of.
Whichever team winds up drafting Quinn is going to be getting a smart, skilled player who should succeed at the next level, but not some once-in-a-generation phenom you'd think about taking No. 1.

Underrated: Troy Smith, Ohio State ( FILM ROOM)
I've already devoted plentiful column space defending the plummeting Heisman winner. You can read that rant here. All I'll say here is that if Smith is truly considered a "late fourth-round" pick at this point, as SI.com's draft experts have billed him, then he can't get much more underrated than that.

Running Back
Overrated: Kenny Irons, Auburn ( FILM ROOM)
Irons' reputation was basically built during one particularly impressive six-game stretch toward the end of his junior season. He ran for 886 yards (nearly 150 per game) and eight touchdowns while carrying no fewer than 23 times in a contest.

Irons never came close to regaining that dominant form last season, barely gaining that many yards (893) over a full season. Injuries played a factor, causing him to miss two games and limiting him in others, but still he failed to exhibit the type of relentless running and make-you-miss moves of a guy who entered the season on most Heisman lists.
Teams that peg him as a future every-down NFL back will be taking a huge gamble that his one, glorious six-game run was the norm, not an exception.

Underrated: Michael Bush, Louisville ( FILM ROOM)
Talk about your costly injuries. A year ago, this guy was breathing down Adrian Peterson's neck as the top running back in this year's draft. Now, he's a sixth-rounder? Certainly, a broken leg is no small question mark, particularly since Bush just had a follow-up surgery last month to insert a new rod. But plenty of elite running backs have returned from devastating injuries to regained their previous form. If that happens in Bush's case, some lucky team is going to get a punishing, highly athletic runner who can be a beast in short-yardage and goal line situations (he scored 23 touchdowns as a junior).

Wide Receiver
Overrated: Dwayne Bowe, LSU ( FILM ROOM)
People have been drooling over this guy since the day he stepped foot on LSU's campus, and rightfully so, seeing as he's a strong, massive receiver who can get up and grab a jump ball. There's only one problem: He drops passes. Lots of them.

Much was made of his offseason LASIK surgery a year ago, and Bowe did cut down on his drops last year, but there were still some pretty big ones, most notably a wide-open touchdown against Florida that might have changed the course of what was then a 7-7 game (LSU wound up losing 23-10). He's a good receiver, one who had nearly 1,000 yards last season, but he was never quite as good as his lofty billing in college. Now he's being overhyped headed into the pros.

Underrated: Sidney Rice, South Carolina ( FILM ROOM)
For two straight years, Rice carried Steve Spurrier's Gamecocks offense on his back. One of those rare playmakers who can take over a game with only a couple of touches, he managed to rack up consecutive 1,000-yard seasons despite playing with average quarterbacks. Also, opposing defenses had to know Spurrier was going to try to get the ball to his star receiver at every possible opportunity.

Rice did come out after his redshirt sophomore year, perhaps raising concerns over whether he's ready to make the jump, but two full seasons as a primary receiver in the SEC is pretty substantial experience. You could easily justify ranking him higher than any receiver besides Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Jarrett.

Offensive Line
Overrated: Levi Brown, Penn State ( FILM ROOM)
To be fair, I had a hard time finding any offensive lineman this year that seemed grossly overrated, so with Brown it's mostly a case of nit-picking. It took a while for Brown to develop into an upper-echelon lineman, but by his junior and senior seasons he was fairly dominant. I'm just a little surprised to see him ranked so close to Outland winner Joe Thomas. The Wisconsin product is an otherworldly prospect who's shut down some of the nation's top pass-rushers and played a key role in the Badgers' powerful rushing attack; Brown was a solid performer for the Nittany Lions but his talents were hardly off the charts.

Underrated: Dan Mozes, West Virginia ( FILM ROOM)
The NFL is so rigid when it comes to the sizes it looks for at certain positions, that this 6-2 1/2, 293-pound center is barely considered draftable despite being one of the nation's most respected linemen the past two years. West Virginia ran for more than 300 yards per game last year, and Mozes was right at the center of attack. How many times did we see Steve Slaton or Pat White bursting through huge, gaping holes right in the center of the field? Particularly in a zone-blocking scheme like the Mountaineers', everything starts with the center, and Mozes was one of the nation's best. It's hard to believe he's not worthy of a selection somewhere over the course of seven rounds.

Defensive Line
Overrated: LaMarr Woodley, Michigan ( FILM ROOM)
We college writers were partially responsible for overhyping the Wolverines' rush end (though it should be noted that SI.com was one of the only organizations to leave him off its All-America first team). He was the guy putting up the big numbers (12 sacks) during Michigan's 11-game winning streak to start last season and therefore got much of the accolades.
In truth, it was interior lineman Alan Branch who played the biggest role in Michigan's dominant front four, paving the way for the nation's leading rush defense, and Woodley was eventually exposed in the season-ending Ohio State and USC games, in which he was barely a factor. Scouts seem to realize this as Woodley, once a projected first-round, is slipping deeper into the second round.

Underrated: Charles Johnson, Georgia ( FILM ROOM)
Headed into last season, Johnson's counterpart, Quentin Moses, was the Bulldogs' most acclaimed pass-rusher. It was Johnson, however, who ultimately racked up team highs with 9.5 sacks and 19 tackles for loss in helping continue Georgia's recent defensive dominance.
Because Johnson was a backup prior to last season and then came out a year early, GMs may feel like he doesn't have a proven enough track record. But from what we saw of him last season, he has all the makings of an elite pass-rusher who should have a productive NFL career.

Linebacker
Overrated: Stewart Bradley, Nebraska ( FILM ROOM)
In what is generally considered a weak linebacker class, Bradley is generally considered one of the top-five outside linebacker prospects. This should come as a surprise to anyone who watched a Nebraska game last year if, like me, you barely remember noticing him. After missing most of 2005 with a knee injury, Bradley returned last season to make a modest 76 tackles and six tackles for loss while earning honorable mention All-Big 12 honors. While these are admirable achievements, it's hard to believe there aren't a whole bunch of other, more accomplished prospects at his position.

Underrated: Buster Davis, Florida State ( FILM ROOM)
The universally low regard for Davis, a projected sixth-rounder, is one of the more shocking slights I've seen. If you watched a Florida State game last year, you couldn't possibly have missed Davis. He was the guy finding his way into nearly every play, routinely stuffing people in the backfield and generally wreaking havoc from whistle to whistle. He was every bit as productive, if not more so, as predecessors Ernie Sims and A.J. Nicholson, yet is not held in nearly the same regard as either them or current counterpart Lawrence Timmons. Presumably his height (just under 5-10) has a lot to do with that, but it didn't seem to hinder him in the past.

Defensive back
Overrated: Chris Houston, Arkansas ( FILM ROOM)
He's this year's definitive workout wonder. Houston was a good, not great cornerback for the Razorbacks last season, excelling in some games (USC, Tennessee), struggling in others (South Carolina, Florida). But he ran a 4.32 at the combine, bench-pressed some ridiculous amount and now suddenly he's the second coming of Lito Sheppard -- or at least a solid first-rounder. Not buying it. Houston certainly talks a big game, but he still casts no shortage of doubt. Perhaps some teams are that desperate for a cornerback (because top prospects Leon Hall and Aaron Ross aren't exactly sure-locks, either).

Underrated: Eric Weddle, Utah ( FILM ROOM)
I can't believe this guy isn't more coveted. Besides the fact he can play safety and cornerback (and quarterback, running back and kick returner), he's a proven, big-time playmaker who's earned consecutive Mountain West defensive player of the year awards and scored eight touchdowns last season. I would think scouts would pay particular attention to tape of the 2005 Emerald Bowl, in which Weddle helped hold Georgia Tech extraordinaire Calvin Johnson to two catches for 19 yards. He's not a freakish athlete like Reggie Nelson or LaRon Landry -- but he's pretty darn special. I'd take him high in the second round.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/04/19/overrated.underrated/index.html
 

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i agree with what he said about sidney rice.. if we can grab him in the 2nd.. that would be a huge steal
 

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BLT;1462413 said:
i agree with what he said about sidney rice.. if we can grab him in the 2nd.. that would be a huge steal

My only concern with Rice is his possibly being a product of the Spurrier system, like the Florida receivers were while he was there.
 

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slick325;1462421 said:
My only concern with Rice is his possibly being a product of the Spurrier system, like the Florida receivers were while he was there.

What I like about Rice is the ease in which took over games and made catches. As a redshirt softmore, he could easily be the #1 WR taken in next years draft. The kid still has tons of potential to get better. He would be a steal in round 2. In our system, he would benefit from not having to jump right into the starting lineup, but that doesn't mean that he couldn't have an immediate impact. He could emerge as the 3rd WR by the beginning of training camp and maybe even #2 by seasons end, and could see lots of action near the goalline. I would definitely make a move for him if he is in the Cowboys reach in the second.
 

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Michael Bush in the sixth would make me very happy.

Agree with what he said about Rice.
 

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jdub2k4;1462486 said:
What I like about Rice is the ease in which took over games and made catches. As a redshirt softmore, he could easily be the #1 WR taken in next years draft. The kid still has tons of potential to get better. He would be a steal in round 2. In our system, he would benefit from not having to jump right into the starting lineup, but that doesn't mean that he couldn't have an immediate impact. He could emerge as the 3rd WR by the beginning of training camp and maybe even #2 by seasons end, and could see lots of action near the goalline. I would definitely make a move for him if he is in the Cowboys reach in the second.

He is a very skilled player. No doubt about that. I caught a few of his games over the last two seasons. However, when you watch college teams coached by Spurrier have you ever noticed that someone is always wide open?

His system is great for college because he out schemes you. When he got to the league, DCoordinators figured him out plus the corners were much better at that level requiring his receivers to actually sell moves through technique as opposed to physical skills. That is where most of Spurrier's receivers have failed. They beat most people with the scheme/gimmicks and their physical ability. Take Caldwell, Taylor, Hilliard or even more recently Troy Williamson.

Maybe Rice is the exception to the rule. If so, I wouldn't object to drafting him because he has the physical tools. I just hope he has the technique to go with the physicality.
 

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I disagree with every selection except Brady Quinn and Eric Weddle. These are really bad synopsis.

Wide Receiver
Overrated: Dwayne Bowe, LSU ( FILM ROOM)
People have been drooling over this guy since the day he stepped foot on LSU's campus, and rightfully so, seeing as he's a strong, massive receiver who can get up and grab a jump ball. There's only one problem: He drops passes. Lots of them.

Much was made of his offseason LASIK surgery a year ago, and Bowe did cut down on his drops last year, but there were still some pretty big ones, most notably a wide-open touchdown against Florida that might have changed the course of what was then a 7-7 game (LSU wound up losing 23-10). He's a good receiver, one who had nearly 1,000 yards last season, but he was never quite as good as his lofty billing in college. Now he's being overhyped headed into the pros.

Underrated: Sidney Rice, South Carolina ( FILM ROOM)
For two straight years, Rice carried Steve Spurrier's Gamecocks offense on his back. One of those rare playmakers who can take over a game with only a couple of touches, he managed to rack up consecutive 1,000-yard seasons despite playing with average quarterbacks. Also, opposing defenses had to know Spurrier was going to try to get the ball to his star receiver at every possible opportunity.

Rice did come out after his redshirt sophomore year, perhaps raising concerns over whether he's ready to make the jump, but two full seasons as a primary receiver in the SEC is pretty substantial experience. You could easily justify ranking him higher than any receiver besides Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Jarrett.
Wow. The contradiction is unreal. Bowe drops balls but Sidney Rice is underrated?

Completion percentage:
Sidney Rice: low 60s
Dwayne Bowe: low 70s

You know what's overrated? Just looking at a receivers yardage stat in college. Yeah, Rice racked up some nice stats, but it took him 110+ attempts to get there. Bowe matched his production with about 2/3 of the attempts.
 

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theogt;1462644 said:
I disagree with every selection except Brady Quinn and Eric Weddle. These are really bad synopsis.

Wow. The contradiction is unreal. Bowe drops balls but Sidney Rice is underrated?

Completion percentage:
Sidney Rice: low 60s
Dwayne Bowe: low 70s

You know what's overrated? Just looking at a receivers yardage stat in college. Yeah, Rice racked up some nice stats, but it took him 110+ attempts to get there. Bowe matched his production with about 2/3 of the attempts.
Ya don't say? :cool:
 

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theogt;1462644 said:
I disagree with every selection except Brady Quinn and Eric Weddle. These are really bad synopsis.

Wow. The contradiction is unreal. Bowe drops balls but Sidney Rice is underrated?

Completion percentage:
Sidney Rice: low 60s
Dwayne Bowe: low 70s

You know what's overrated? Just looking at a receivers yardage stat in college. Yeah, Rice racked up some nice stats, but it took him 110+ attempts to get there. Bowe matched his production with about 2/3 of the attempts.

True but then Rice did not have a QB who is likely to go as the overall 1st or 2nd pick in the draft either. There are cases to be made for and against both of these guys. In the end I think both are part of the reason why so many think this is one of the best WR classes in a while.
 

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I was at the Georgia/USC game this year (I happened to be working in Columbia at the time).

All I remember from that boring joke of a game was that Rice & ??? were the only players worth a crap.

EDIT- Not not johnson - sorry. It was rice and the QB who was injured in the first half or quarter.
 

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jobberone;1462396 said:
Good read. Anyone seen Weddle play?

Yep, I've seen him play too much over the years. He's a great player. I like him much better then Wendling. In fact, the only safety I like better then Weddle is Landry. No BS.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1462729 said:
Yep, I've seen him play too much over the years. He's a great player. I like him much better then Wendling. In fact, the only safety I like better then Weddle is Landry. No BS.
Ditto, ABQ.
 

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theogt;1462644 said:
I disagree with every selection except Brady Quinn and Eric Weddle. These are really bad synopsis.

Wow. The contradiction is unreal. Bowe drops balls but Sidney Rice is underrated?

Completion percentage:
Sidney Rice: low 60s
Dwayne Bowe: low 70s

What does that stat have to do with drops? If the QB sails it over the WR's head by 10 yards into the 3rd row for an incompletion, it has nothing to do with the WR's hands.

If you watched any Gamecock games, it was pretty apparent that South Carlina had one of the worst QB situations in all of Div 1. Their starter heading into the season was recruited by Holtz to run the option, and he was suspended early in the season. It was a revolving door of freshmen and nobodies after that. Meanwhile, Dwayne Bowe's quarterback is probably the first pick in the draft. I watch Bowe's highlight films and I just come away impressed at how Russell can fit a ball 25-30 yards down the field into a covered WR.

I agree with the author. I watched both of them numerous times. Dwayne Bowe never took over a games like Sydney Rice did, and Bowe had some absolutely brutal drops at critical times. I think Bowe is well thought of because he looks like a "prototype" and he was highly hyped coming out of high school, but Rice will have a better career in the NFL.
 

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InmanRoshi;1462751 said:
Don't you think that stat has more than just a little bit to do with the QB that's throwing to them? Of course a WR playing with a highly accurate QB who can hit the WR's in stride in the hands is going to have a higher completion percentage than a WR who's having to dive all over the place on every pass to just get a hand on the ball.

If you watched any Gamecock games, it was pretty apparent that South Carlina had one of the worst QB situations in all of Div 1. Meanwhile, Dwayne Bowe's quarterback is probably the first pick in the draft. I watch Bowe's highlight films and I just come away impressed at how Russell can fit a ball 25-30 yards down the field into a covered WR.

I agree with the author. I watched both of them numerous times. Dwayne Bowe never took over a games like Sydney Rice did, and Bowe had some absolutely brutal drops at critical times. I think Bowe is well thought of because he looks like a "prototype", but Rice will have a better career in the NFL.
No, it has more to do with Rice not being able to create separation. Despite this, the team throws at him because (1) it's just their sytem, and (2) there were really no other options. Blake Mitchell had a 66.7% completion percentage, so it's not like the QB was that bad. Newton had a low but respectable 58.6%. It's not like he had Reggie Ball throwing at him (44.4% completion). By the way, Johnson still put up a better completion percentage than Rice despite having a much worse QB situation.

In 2005 Bowe's completion percentage was in the low 60s. After his eye surgery his completion percentage was in the low 70s. The drops disappeared, but he had the same QB throwing to him. So it's not the QB, it was the receiver.

Oh, and there's not a single site that has Rice ranked above Bowe. There's a reason Rice is ranked so low. The only thing he has going for him are his stats, and those are obviously padded because of the system. It's easy for a fan to watch Rice and think "wow" because he gets so many balls thrown his way. He racks up stats that way, and it's fun to watch. But you have to ask, is he being thrown at because he's getting open? In the NFL, that's the only way he'll get the ball thrown to him.
 

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Bowe drops passes because he lacks concentration, and he tries to make the run before he's secured the catch. He's admited as much.

If you think Rice doesn't create seperation, then you need to spend less time reading draft bios on the internet and start spending it actually watching football games. Ask Chris Houston about his ability to seperate. He certainly seperated a lot better from Houston than Bowe (who isn't exactly Mr. Burner himself) did.

The reason Rice is ranked lower is because he's a raw sophomore who's just 20 years old, two years younger than Bowe, and should have stayed in school at least another year to polish his game. If he stayed all four years of eligibility, like Bowe did, he's probably a Top 10-15 pick in 2008 or 2009. Meanwhile, if Bowe came out after his sophomore or junior year like Rice did he's a 4th round draft pick, because he's played like a 4th round draft pick for most of his college career. Rice is just learning route running and still has tons of ceiling to reach. Bowe is what he is, and frankly, its just not that impressive for a 1st round draft pick.
 

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theogt;1462762 said:
No, it has more to do with Rice not being able to create separation. Despite this, the team throws at him because (1) it's just their sytem, and (2) there were really no other options. Blake Mitchell had a 66.7% completion percentage, so it's not like the QB was that bad. Newton had a low but respectable 58.6%. It's not like he had Reggie Ball throwing at him (44.4% completion). By the way, Johnson still put up a better completion percentage than Rice despite having a much worse QB situation.

In 2005 Bowe's completion percentage was in the low 60s. After his eye surgery his completion percentage was in the low 70s. The drops disappeared, but he had the same QB throwing to him. So it's not the QB, it was the receiver.

Oh, and there's not a single site that has Rice ranked above Bowe. There's a reason Rice is ranked so low. The only thing he has going for him are his stats, and those are obviously padded because of the system. It's easy for a fan to watch Rice and think "wow" because he gets so many balls thrown his way. He racks up stats that way, and it's fun to watch. But you have to ask, is he being thrown at because he's getting open? In the NFL, that's the only way he'll get the ball thrown to him.

I actually rate these guys similarly so would argue only with argument not your overall take on who is better.

1. It is certainly easier to get open being the WR for LSU which has a ton of weapons than it is as the only decent skill player for USC.

2. Comp. Percentage is meaningless --except perhaps the 10% improvement by Bowe He can see better and is catching more passes. Dropped passes would have a lot of meaning but we don't see that stat. USC had bad QBs and Reggie Ball probably would have started for USC.

3. Sites rankings are mostly hogwash. Half of them reference another before making their list. While you may disagree this guy has well thought reasons for his rant. Any dufe can copy Kiper's list and say its theirs. * As an aside you can guarantee these guys won't finish their careers with stats like they were slated in the rankings.


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Where I agree:

1. You have to be careful with Spurrier's players because of system.
2. Production in college is overrated unless its about innate skills such as running to holes that aren't open yet, catching every pass thrown to you or covering guys all over the field.

A guy catching a 2 yard WR pick screen and running 80 yards is awesome but it's also illegal in the NFL. Because everyone is much faster in the NFL you have to wonder what a guy will do when he doesn't have more speed than everyone he faces. Can he make any plays underneath or across the middle?

I actually believe both guy can. I think Rice runs better routes and has better hands while Bowe has size and speed advantages over most CBs in the NFL. I'd say both are late first round/early second round guys. I'd probably choose Bowe first because Spurrier in general scares the jeebies out of me.
 

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Dooms....many thanks for not only the thought provoking info., but also how you wrote/presented it as well, my compliments. thanks again.
 

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jterrell;1462778 said:
I actually rate these guys similarly so would argue only with argument not your overall take on who is better.

1. It is certainly easier to get open being the WR for LSU which has a ton of weapons than it is as the only decent skill player for USC.

2. Comp. Percentage is meaningless --except perhaps the 10% improvement by Bowe He can see better and is catching more passes. Dropped passes would have a lot of meaning but we don't see that stat. USC had bad QBs and Reggie Ball probably would have started for USC.

3. Sites rankings are mostly hogwash. Half of them reference another before making their list. While you may disagree this guy has well thought reasons for his rant. Any dufe can copy Kiper's list and say its theirs. * As an aside you can guarantee these guys won't finish their careers with stats like they were slated in the rankings.


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Where I agree:

1. You have to be careful with Spurrier's players because of system.
2. Production in college is overrated unless its about innate skills such as running to holes that aren't open yet, catching every pass thrown to you or covering guys all over the field.

A guy catching a 2 yard WR pick screen and running 80 yards is awesome but it's also illegal in the NFL. Because everyone is much faster in the NFL you have to wonder what a guy will do when he doesn't have more speed than everyone he faces. Can he make any plays underneath or across the middle?

I actually believe both guy can. I think Rice runs better routes and has better hands while Bowe has size and speed advantages over most CBs in the NFL. I'd say both are late first round/early second round guys. I'd probably choose Bowe first because Spurrier in general scares the jeebies out of me.

Three things I think seperate Rice from a lot of guys who have simular 40 times. One, Rice has very long arms. Put these together with exceptional hands (which he has) and you get a guy who can catch the ball even when somebody is on you tightly. Secondly, he has very good short area quickness. Excellent latteral quicks which help him into and out of his breaks. Lastly, he has exceptional ability to find the ball and adjust without losing speed. Don't underestimate this ability. Lots of guys can run fast but if they can't find the ball and adjust to it, then all the speed advantage they have with natural ability gets scrubbed off. The DB can make a play because the WR can't adjust well. Rice can adjust without losing a great deal of speed while make adjustments. These are the things he uses to create seperation and all of these things will be effective for him in the NFL, just as they were at the college level.
 
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