Broaddus On Talking Cowboys Kinda Hinted Scouts Overruled

[Beast_from_East]

I watched the podcast of Talking Cowboys today and Broddus said he would be pissed if he was a scout because it looks like the GM (he said GM, but we all know he is talking about Jerry) went against the scouts and went "off board".


He said he knows for a fact that we had a top 10 grade on Floyd and that he talked to 4 other teams today that said they all had top 15 grades on Floyd.

Mickey asked him if they were just saying that to him and he kinda got offended and said these are guys he has worked with in the past that are friends on his and they tell it like it is.

Mickey said something to the fact that Floyd is just a NT and does not fit the Cowboy's scheme. Broddus then asked Mickey why would the Cowboys have a player in the top 10 on their board that didn't fit their system.

Mickey said he couldn't answer that and he had no logical explanation for it.



So do yall agree? Did Jerry overrule the scouts and go "off board" like Broddus is saying? If not, why would he say he would be pissed off today if he was a scout in that war room?

 

[Galian Beast]

I watched the podcast of Talking Cowboys today and Broddus said he would be pissed if he was a scout because it looks like the GM (he said GM, but we all know he is talking about Jerry) went against the scouts and went "off board".


He said he knows for a fact that we had a top 10 grade on Floyd and that he talked to 4 other teams today that said they all had top 15 grades on Floyd.

Mickey asked him if they were just saying that to him and he kinda got offended and said these are guys he has worked with in the past that are friends on his and they tell it like it is.

Mickey said something to the fact that Floyd is just a NT and does not fit the Cowboy's scheme. Broddus then asked Mickey why would the Cowboys have a player in the top 10 on their board that didn't fit their system.

Mickey said he couldn't answer that and he had no logical explanation for it.



So do yall agree? Did Jerry overrule the scouts and go "off board" like Broddus is saying? If not, why would he say he would be pissed off today if he was a scout in that war room?

Broddus is an idiot. You can tell more and more why this guy isn't employed by their scouting department anymore.

They could have a QB in their top 10, but it doesn't mean they're going to draft a QB either.

If so many teams had him top 15, why did he drop past 18? Logic?

 

[zrinkill]

There is no doubt in my mind that he did.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Mickey said something to the fact that Floyd is just a NT and does not fit the Cowboy's scheme. Broddus then asked Mickey why would the Cowboys have a player in the top 10 on their board that didn't fit their system.

He does fit the system, just as a 1 tech, which they didn't feel was a need.

 

[QT]

Mike Fisher has said many times that they had Floyd ranked 7th on their board.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Broddus is an idiot. You can tell more and more why this guy isn't employed by their scouting department anymore.

They could have a QB in their top 10, but it doesn't mean they're going to draft a QB either.

If so many teams had him top 15, why did he drop past 18? Logic?

Broddus was saying that you don't put players at the top of your board that you are not going to draft. He said that is "window dressing" your board and if you are not going to take a player in your top 10, he should not be there.

As an example he said when he was in Green Bay, they had a 2nd round grade on Steve McNair. They knew he was one of the best players in the entire draft and no way he would make it to the second round, but that is where Green Bay would have drafted him.


Broddus kinda said that we are putting our board together all wrong if we are putting players on the board that we do not intend to draft. You basically list players on your board in order of how you would draft them, not based on where they rank in the entire draft.


Doesn't really matter at this point I guess.

 

[Echo9]

I watched the podcast of Talking Cowboys today and Broddus said he would be pissed if he was a scout because it looks like the GM (he said GM, but we all know he is talking about Jerry) went against the scouts and went "off board".


He said he knows for a fact that we had a top 10 grade on Floyd and that he talked to 4 other teams today that said they all had top 15 grades on Floyd.

Mickey asked him if they were just saying that to him and he kinda got offended and said these are guys he has worked with in the past that are friends on his and they tell it like it is.

Mickey said something to the fact that Floyd is just a NT and does not fit the Cowboy's scheme. Broddus then asked Mickey why would the Cowboys have a player in the top 10 on their board that didn't fit their system.

Mickey said he couldn't answer that and he had no logical explanation for it.



So do yall agree? Did Jerry overrule the scouts and go "off board" like Broddus is saying? If not, why would he say he would be pissed off today if he was a scout in that war room?

I absolutely think he went off board by not picking Floyd at 18, but I can also see the reasoning behind it. From what I gather, we really were pretty hell bent on getting an OL high in this draft. When it came to 18, the 1st tier of guys were all gone. We probably had guys like Pugh, Long and Franklin in the next tier. Good picks, but not good value of 18.

I think watching Pugh and Long go so soon after 18 got Jerry spooked and there was no way we were going to move back again with only Franklin left.

I think it's a tough thing to pass on Floyd and I don't really agree with it, but it just came down to need at this point. The early part of the draft fell badly for us and we had to go with what few options were left.

Who knows if Floyd will be a difference maker, but we can be sure he'll be talked about plenty for a few years at least either way.

 

[Vintage]

I believe that is exactly what happened.

I was not high on Floyd to begin with, but at 18, I thought that was value.

But then again, I'm not a professional youtube scout like many here.

 

[jblaze2004]

I am glad we didn't take floyd. IDK he seem's overrated to me, almost like another spears coming out of college.

 

[kirkjrk]

I watched the podcast of Talking Cowboys today and Broddus said he would be pissed if he was a scout because it looks like the GM (he said GM, but we all know he is talking about Jerry) went against the scouts and went "off board".


He said he knows for a fact that we had a top 10 grade on Floyd and that he talked to 4 other teams today that said they all had top 15 grades on Floyd.

Mickey asked him if they were just saying that to him and he kinda got offended and said these are guys he has worked with in the past that are friends on his and they tell it like it is.

Mickey said something to the fact that Floyd is just a NT and does not fit the Cowboy's scheme. Broddus then asked Mickey why would the Cowboys have a player in the top 10 on their board that didn't fit their system.

Mickey said he couldn't answer that and he had no logical explanation for it.



So do yall agree? Did Jerry overrule the scouts and go "off board" like Broddus is saying? If not, why would he say he would be pissed off today if he was a scout in that war room?

Absolutely, Jerry and Stephen. With that said, Jerry mentioned that their first three picks were all rated in the low 20s. If this is true, I have to assume the Scouts gave them this grade. Maybe, just maybe the Scouts have been a problem for some time with evaluations like that. No way all, if any, of those picks are in the low 20s. Jerry and Stephen aren't football people so they wouldn't know a good eval. vs. a bad one.

 

[Nation]

Floyd is theoretically a one-system player, and we don't have a long-term plan on defense locked in just yet.

If The Cowboys don't make the playoffs this year the writing is on the wall as far as Jason Garrett's employment goes.

If Jason Garrett is gone we likely have a new defensive coordinator coming in, with no assurance that Floyd is a fit in that system.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

This draft class was horrible. Maybe one of the worst ever. Ever. It speaks volumes that an OT from Central Michigan who hardly anyone even heard of, let alone actually saw him play, is the top pick. And this guy Floyd, who had all of 4.5 sacks in his career IIRC, is one of the supposed best players of the class. He had a good combine workout and vaults into a top 5 selection all of the sudden?

Would anyone really be surprised if the 2nd rd picks outperformed as a whole the 1st rd picks this season?

Jerry Jones did well by dropping down and getting whatever he could get. I laughed when Pugh and Long were picked right after the Cowboys traded down.

 

[Reality]

I am amazed how many people, especially so-called "experts" in the media love to throw out simplistic explanations knowing full well there are a lot more variables in the equation.

For example, maybe the large number of linemen being drafted in the first round forced them to go off-board and focus more on need. You can plan all you want for a draft, but when that day comes, you really don't know who is going to be available. I can understand how a lot of fantasy football players have the mentality of "if your guy is gone, take the next best guy and worry about needs later", but in the draft, teams go in with a plan. With fantasy football, there are always good players available later. In the draft, the chances of getting an NFL ready player decline almost every pick.

I can see why the Cowboys skipped drafting a defensive lineman where they have starters and depth for a potential starting center on an offensive line most fans and the media stated repeatedly was our biggest priority going into the draft.


/reality

 

[Galian Beast]

Broddus was saying that you don't put players at the top of your board that you are not going to draft. He said that is "window dressing" your board and if you are not going to take a player in your top 10, he should not be there.

As an example he said when he was in Green Bay, they had a 2nd round grade on Steve McNair. They knew he was one of the best players in the entire draft and no way he would make it to the second round, but that is where Green Bay would have drafted him.


Broddus kinda said that we are putting our board together all wrong if we are putting players on the board that we do not intend to draft. You basically list players on your board in order of how you would draft them, not based on where they rank in the entire draft.


Doesn't really matter at this point I guess.

Do you see the contradiction. First he said that we don't do that, and then says that if we do do that, that we're doing it wrong...

The reality is he doesn't have a clue. Ex-Scout...

If teams were so high on Floyd, why did he drop?

 

[reddyuta]

I am glad we didn't take floyd. IDK he seem's overrated to me, almost like another spears coming out of college.

ditto.If Floyd was the only option at 18 then i am glad they took the deal.

 

[Cowboys22]

Well then, any scout for any team that ever traded down should quit then because every time you trade down you go away from your board. You pass on the highest rated players your scouts have worked tirelessly to rank. This overreaction is getting way out of hand. People are acting like they passed on Floyd and took Frederick instead at 18. If they did that, fine, we all should be livid but they didn't. They traded down because they viewed 31+74 as being better that anyone they could have taken at 18, especially if Marinelli didn't really want Floyd as has been reported.

 

[jjktkk]

I absolutely think he went off board by not picking Floyd at 18, but I can also see the reasoning behind it. From what I gather, we really were pretty hell bent on getting an OL high in this draft. When it came to 18, the 1st tier of guys were all gone. We probably had guys like Pugh, Long and Franklin in the next tier. Good picks, but not good value of 18.

I think watching Pugh and Long go so soon after 18 got Jerry spooked and there was no way we were going to move back again with only Franklin left.

I think it's a tough thing to pass on Floyd and I don't really agree with it, but it just came down to need at this point. The early part of the draft fell badly for us and we had to go with what few options were left.

Who knows if Floyd will be a difference maker, but we can be sure he'll be talked about plenty for a few years at least either way.

I see it this way as well. As far as ranking prospects, even if said prospect doesn't fit you teams particularscheme, I would think you still rate that prospect according to his talent, regardless of 3-4, 4-3, etc....

 

[Cowboys22]

I absolutely think he went off board by not picking Floyd at 18, but I can also see the reasoning behind it. From what I gather, we really were pretty hell bent on getting an OL high in this draft. When it came to 18, the 1st tier of guys were all gone. We probably had guys like Pugh, Long and Franklin in the next tier. Good picks, but not good value of 18.

I think watching Pugh and Long go so soon after 18 got Jerry spooked and there was no way we were going to move back again with only Franklin left.

I think it's a tough thing to pass on Floyd and I don't really agree with it, but it just came down to need at this point. The early part of the draft fell badly for us and we had to go with what few options were left.

Who knows if Floyd will be a difference maker, but we can be sure he'll be talked about plenty for a few years at least either way.

No, going off board would be picking a lower ranked player at 18 instead of Floyd. What they did is totally different and it's something every other team has done dozens of times. They traded down for more picks that they valued more than any player available at 18. That is not going off board.

 

[CATCH17]

I can see why the Cowboys skipped drafting a defensive lineman where they have starters and depth for a potential starting center on an offensive line most fans and the media stated repeatedly was our biggest priority going into the draft.


/reality

It was basically a need vs a greater need with the better player on our board being the need player.

If they wanted to make Frederick their first selection than that is fine but they should've done better than they did in the trade down.

We reached and didn't get good enough value.

 

[mmillman]

It is why Jerry overruled on Felix jones too. Scouts wanted Johnson or mendenhall but Jerry wanted jones to compliment barber. That worked out well after overpaying for barber