Bruce Carter and Marinelli

[ShiningStar]

I thought talk was cheap, though, and we only cared about wins and losses. Or do I have that all wrong?

you messed it up, its all that, unless it doesnt work or fit ones agenda, or we like active coaches, or if we re winning and they are silent than we like that, or the garrett way or the non garrett way, get it right.

 

[adbutcher]

I thought talk was cheap, though, and we only cared about wins and losses. Or do I have that all wrong?

LOL...

 

[BigDPlayer]

If he can build a defense close to what Chicago had those years, WATCH OUT! Motivation and effort and hustle and turnovers - that defines that Chicago unit a few years ago. (praying)

 

[starfrombirth]

I like the attitude, maybe the defense can play with some attitude and swagger. No more soft touches. Hit the QB, hit him hard, hit him often....and don't help him up.
I still like the play when Heath wouldn't help up Cousins, when Cousins put his hand out, Heath just looked at him, turned and walked away.

They played with much more toughness and heart, last year, than they have in years. They just didn't have enough talent to overcome the injuries.

 

[Idgit]

If he can build a defense close to what Chicago had those years, WATCH OUT! Motivation and effort and hustle and turnovers - that defines that Chicago unit a few years ago. (praying)

Those CHI defenses were great. Wish we had a Peanut Tillman on the roster. Loved watching that cat in his heyday.

 

[AsthmaField]

3. They trade him to New Orleans to reunite with RR. The Saints have to have Rod Marinelli's boot (shoe, but boot sounds better) extracted from Carter's arse.

I was thinking about this just the other day. If Ryan likes Carter, then say that he isn't a scheme fit and send him to New Orleans. I'd even take a pick in next year's draft if Marinelli doesn't think he is going to make it in his defense.

Personally, I'm afraid that Bruce just doesn't have the toughness that Marinelli wants from his guys. You could tell that toughness has been something they've been targeting all offseason. Every guy they took in the draft has an edge... an attitude... and is known for their toughness.

Hitchens is a perfect example of that. He is a known tough guy from a school that is known for producing tough guys, coached by a guy at Iowa that is known for making tough guys. He plays 100 MPH, hits like a mack truck, and even loved playing on special teams.

Lawrence also is known for having an edge and playing nasty.

Dallas wants tough guys all over their team. Carter, IMO, just will never fit in that catagory. Send him to Rob...

 

[coult44]

Not sure if this was posted, but I love me some Marinelli! Check out this quote from a BTB article on vets and, specifically, Bruce Carter:

And Rod Marinelli is making no bones about the fact he needs to get his act together.
"I don’t do confidence stuff," said Marinelli, who was promoted to defensive coordinator this offseason. "Get down and play. Get down and play. Here’s your assignment key. We want you to play fast and we want you to take the ball away."

"Go play," Marinelli said. "It’s a man’s game, man. Play it the right way. That’s what I want. We’re going to coach it. We’ll coach you hard. Be where you’re supposed to be. This is what we expect. And then go."

That's some tough love and hard coaching. My bet? Carter mans up and finds his swagger...

Carter is on a long list of guys who get anointed in Dallas before they have proven anything!!!

 

[big dog cowboy]

If Ryan likes Carter, then say that he isn't a scheme fit and send him to New Orleans. I'd even take a pick in next year's draft if Marinelli doesn't think he is going to make it in his defense.

If Carter doesn't show us what we want to see I'm all over this deal and don't look back.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I think its silly to assume this is singling out Carter. This could be said about a lot of our players on defense. I mean they were the worst in the league and it surely wasn't because of one person.

 

[Fredd]

Carter has a skill set that is desirable, he just has to learn his role, retain that, and make his plays...he will get his chance with RM...I am not of the mindset to trade him to NO or anyone else...they would give us basically nothing for him...use him and if he can't do the job, he becomes a ST guy for now until they get rid of him...I feel he will do the job

 

[CashMan]

I think Marinelli knows how to get the most out of his players and I think Carter will step up to the challenge

Based on what past experience with a LB?

He gets production out of DL, because of what the scheme is and how DL are graded. For DL, sacks count, and in his scheme(Cover 2), the job of the front 4 is simple, rush the passer. Not a prevent D, not stop the run, but rush the passer.

Now, if you can give me an example of a LB, that he has turned around, then I can believe.

The same things, were said of Hudson Houck, when he was rehired, and we all know how that worked out.

I think Rod is a good DL coach, but, my question would be, is that masked by scheme?

 

[burmafrd]

Based on what past experience with a LB?

He gets production out of DL, because of what the scheme is and how DL are graded. For DL, sacks count, and in his scheme(Cover 2), the job of the front 4 is simple, rush the passer. Not a prevent D, not stop the run, but rush the passer.

Now, if you can give me an example of a LB, that he has turned around, then I can believe.

The same things, were said of Hudson Houck, when he was rehired, and we all know how that worked out.

I think Rod is a good DL coach, but, my question would be, is that masked by scheme?

Houck. Woicik. Marrinelli. All so called miracle workers. Remember how each was lauded and annointed and so on when they got here?

 

[CashMan]

Houck. Woicik. Marrinelli. All so called miracle workers. Remember how each was lauded and annointed and so on when they got here?

I agree.

I think he is a good DL coach, but I think people are fooled by the success of the scheme he teaches.

 

[CyberB0b]

They played with much more toughness and heart, last year, than they have in years. They just didn't have enough talent to overcome the injuries.

It's easy to point at immeasurable metrics like "they played hard", but the truth is that he was part of one of the worst defenses in the history of the league. There were teams that had more games lost due to injury, who went deep into the playoffs.

 

[CashMan]

It's easy to point at immeasurable metrics like "they played hard", but the truth is that he was part of one of the worst defenses in the history of the league. There were teams that had more games lost due to injury, who went deep into the playoffs.

I think, it was one of the worst, was specifically the cover-2 needs pass rushers, which Dallas had 1 last year, in Hatcher. If you can not rush the passer in a cover-2, you will not be successful.

 

[CyberB0b]

I think, it was one of the worst, was specifically the cover-2 needs pass rushers, which Dallas had 1 last year, in Hatcher. If you can not rush the passer in a cover-2, you will not be successful.

Well, Melton isn't going to match Hatcher's production. Lawrence and Mincey aren't likely to match Ware's production. Selvie is still a question mark, as well.

 

[CashMan]

Well, Melton isn't going to match Hatcher's production. Lawrence and Mincey aren't likely to match Ware's production. Selvie is still a question mark, as well.

I think Melton can get around 6ish, Ware had 6 last year, and I do think Lawrence can match that. As for the others, I do not know.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well, Melton isn't going to match Hatcher's production. Lawrence and Mincey aren't likely to match Ware's production. Selvie is still a question mark, as well.

That's a valid point Bob.

But keep in mind that over 2,000 snaps went to folks like:

Hayden
Wilber
Wynn
Nevis
Brown
Irvin

And those guys contributed?




5 sacks.

Total.

Wilber has already been moved to OLB from DE and I'm betting Hayden doesn't make the final roster.

Needless to say 5 sacks for 2,174 snaps... well if you're looking for an area that can make up for the loss of the production of Hatcher and Ware... this is it.

 

[Doomsday101]

Based on what past experience with a LB?

He gets production out of DL, because of what the scheme is and how DL are graded. For DL, sacks count, and in his scheme(Cover 2), the job of the front 4 is simple, rush the passer. Not a prevent D, not stop the run, but rush the passer.

Now, if you can give me an example of a LB, that he has turned around, then I can believe.

The same things, were said of Hudson Houck, when he was rehired, and we all know how that worked out.

I think Rod is a good DL coach, but, my question would be, is that masked by scheme?

As a DC he has coached he has been able to get the most out out of his defensive players be it LB, CB or safety. He knows and understands defense. Really you think a coach only knows one thing and that is it. An offensive coaches know nothing about defense or a defense coach knows nothing about offense. Or that coaches do not know how to get players, playing hard and developing? Come on. This man has been coaching football longer than you have been alive.

 

[CashMan]

As a DC he has coached he has been able to get the most out out of his defensive players be it LB, CB or safety. He knows and understands defense. Really you think a coach only knows one thing and that is it. An offensive coaches know nothing about defense or a defense coach knows nothing about offense. Or that coaches do not know how to get players, playing hard and developing? Come on. This man has been coaching football longer than you have been alive.

I believe Briggs and Urlacher and Tillman, were there before him, I do not think he made them better. Now, if your claim is someone like Nick Roach became a better players under him, I will listen to the argument. But, to say the above, and Peppers became better under Marinelli is crazy.

I think he is a good line coach, who was put as DC under a DC coach, who put the Defense in Chicago together. And the proof I have is, look at the Offensive drafting under Smith, it is horrendous.