Bryan Broaddus just made me a bet

[kevinhickey]

Actually... With JF you have a double whammy.

1. A Texas marketing dream
2. A franchise QB that sets you up nicely for the next decade

We don't know if JF is a franchise QB. I like him as a player, I just don't see the arm strength.

 

[reddyuta]

This is just moot,browns are going to take johnny football.

 

[Bleu Star]

It is always better to take a proactive approach and I love the fact that Valley Ranch is buzzing with the possibility of this being the case. I love what Romo has given to the franchise. He is a solid QB that makes a marginal system better. That said, I also want to see the next franchise QB comfortably in place before Romo starts receiving social security checks.

All things being equal, the most valuable position on a team is QB.
Any 1st round pick/selection is based on potential ~ whether DL, QB, OL, etc. There are no guarantees on any player drafted.

Given Romo's age & reoccurring health issues, why is it not foreseeable to draft a potential franchise QB (whether Bortles, Bridgewater or Manziel)?
Moreover, the bad contract Jerry gave Romo last year should not preclude the selection of a QB at 16 (Dallas drafted Dez in '10 when Roy Williams and Miles Austin had 'bad' contracts).
Take the salary cap hit in 2015 (or find a team willing to trade for Romo and re-work his contract to facilitate the transaction) and move on.

If the choice is between Jernigan, Zack Martin, Shazier or Manziel, go with the QB.
Regardless if Dallas does not select a QB at 16 , Dallas should be looking at QB's to draft in subsequent rounds.

It is not uncommon for teams to transition to a new QB ~ San Fran moved on from Alex Smith, Seattle moved on from Hasselbeck, Eagles moved on from McNabb, Carolina transitioned from Delhomne to drafting Newton, Falcons drafted Matt Ryan, Green Bay drafted Rogers, Skins drafted RGIII, Rams drafted Bradford, Lions drafted Stafford.

Is it not best to be proactive rather than reactive?

 

[kevinhickey]

I agree we need to think about our future QB (Romo's age and his back problems) however, I just don't see a franchise QB in this draft. The QB position is the most important position to any roster! That being said, the Texans are sitting at #1 with a void at the QB position and everyone is still debating what they are going to do.

 

[EST_1986]

The Packers were coming off a season where they fielded the worst defense in the NFL and worst in team history right? Oh.....

When is the last time one defensive player, one defensive rookie, took the worst defense and made them into a #1 defense?

 

[Hostile]

On twitter I saw someone ask Bryan if Johnny manziel was available at 16 would we draft him and Bryan replied yes. So then I jumped into the tweet and said there is no way jerry is that stupid and I bet my next paycheck that wouldn't happen.

BB asked me what my profession was and I told him I was in the navy. At which point he made me a bet over whether we would draft Johnny in the first round if we did I have to give him a signed cover(hat) from my command but if we don't he is giving me a signed cowboys hat. I agreed to the terms.

While it will be cool to win that hat off him it also concerns me a bit. For Bryan to make a bet off such an idiotic draft pick I wonder does he have some inside information that we don't know about? I literally CANNOT describe how SICK I will be if we waste our 1st rounder on a backup qb. Any thoughts on this????

I doubt you have a thing to worry about paying up. I expect Manziel to be gone by 16, which the way I read it nullifies the bet. If he is there at 16, the trade offers will induce Jerry to move the pick. I am pretty sure we are going to take a QB, but it will NOT be in round 1. I have good friends who disagree with me, but I am going to stand by my belief that we will not draft a QB in round 1.

 

[xwalker]

Walker my dude I respectfully disagree. I don't bieber this has anything to do with any mistake over Romo. I think it has to do with the future of the position and Jerry getting the guy he wants for the team over the next decade. If Romo plays another 2 years and retires at the age of 36 and JFB plays and plays well JJ will look like a (barf) genius. Now if Romo suffers injury again and misses time and JFB plays well JJ will again (barf) look a genius. So it's a gamble he's willing to take

Jerry has said many times that he does not make the investment in a 1st round pick with the idea of him sitting on the bench as a rookie.

 

[starfrombirth]

It's not like he'd be a backup forever. Spending a mid-first rounder on a potential franchise QB is great value and it boggles the mind to think people would forgo that option just because we might not need him immediately.

I'm guessing this is all about the people arguing against him not believing JF will turn out any good and are scared of blowing the pick altogether. Certainly, if we had a crystal ball and could see that yes, JF would turn out to be just as good as Aaron Rodgers, then the anti-JF people would change their minds and be all for getting JF at 16 then, right? If anybody would turn down Rodgers knowing how good he'd become just because he wouldn't play immediately, then they are just not right.

I guess it boils down to individual evaluations on if JF will work out and many don't think he will. I personally think he has a good shot, so if he is there at 16 then I will be hoping we get him myself.

My problem with him is not his tools. He has all the talent and mental makeup in the world... My problem is that he is going to get crushed. He's a small boned 5'11" man. He's got big hands so he can spin the ball.. fantastic but the people that will be driving him into the ground at this level are all big and fast not just one on every 2-3 teams.

 

[Dhragon]

It is always better to take a proactive approach and I love the fact that Valley Ranch is buzzing with the possibility of this being the case. I love what Romo has given to the franchise. He is a solid QB that makes a marginal system better. That said, I also want to see the next franchise QB comfortably in place before Romo starts receiving social security checks.

Can't agree more. I've been a huge defender of Romo, but it is getting to be that time when we need to look beyond him. Waiting to draft a franchise possible QB until Romo is officially done is not smart, as we don't know what the situation will be at that time. So is a possible franchise type QB is sitting there at 16 and Donald is gone, we should draft one IMO.

What if we pass on JF when we could have taken him and Romo suffers a third and final back injury and is forced to retire this coming year. We could have had our replacement ready to go and not have to worry about it.

 

[Dhragon]

My problem with him is not his tools. He has all the talent and mental makeup in the world... My problem is that he is going to get crushed. He's a small boned 5'11" man. He's got big hands so he can spin the ball.. fantastic but the people that will be driving him into the ground at this level are all big and fast not just one on every 2-3 teams.

That is a very valid point. I'm high on JF, but I can't lie and say that you might not be right on this. I would be willing to take that chance, but I could be very wrong. The key question we might or might not find out is if Jerry agrees or not.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Money in JJ's pocket! Probably worse thing for Romo and franchise. Every time Romo throws an incompletion stadium will be yelling to pull him. I still remember Danny White and Gary Hogeboom and that torn the team apart. That would be child's play compare to what would happen in the age of twitter, FB!

Yea you're right but I would like to have him. He brings an excitement factor with him.

 

[Fredd]

Please, those of you so enamored with Manziel that you need to call him JFF (why two "f's"?), JFB or anything else need to remember that this was in college where he shined...start calling him JCFB if you want things to be accurate, otherwise, his jersey will say Manziel on it wherever he plays

...IMO, drafting him would be a mistake at #16 and would be ludicrous to move up to get him...if, by some chance, they trade down from #16, get into the 20's while picking up an extra 2nd rounder (for example), then I could almost be on board...it still wouldn't change the fact that he would sit as a back up and we would lose the benefit of the most cost-effective years for a #1 draft pick....

 

[DFWJC]

The Packers were coming off a season where they fielded the worst defense in the NFL and worst in team history right? Oh.....

Yeah, people conveniently forget how much more leeway they had in that situation.
Plus, it is always used as an example but is more the 1% probability than the norm.

In fact, in the entire history of the league I'd like to see an example where a team with as many holes as Dallas has, a defense ranked last in the league, and also a QB who just had a year like Romo had , with ok backups already signed, then still ended up taking a QB in the top half of the draft.

My guess is "never".

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

On twitter I saw someone ask Bryan if Johnny manziel was available at 16 would we draft him and Bryan replied yes. So then I jumped into the tweet and said there is no way jerry is that stupid and I bet my next paycheck that wouldn't happen.

BB asked me what my profession was and I told him I was in the navy. At which point he made me a bet over whether we would draft Johnny in the first round if we did I have to give him a signed cover(hat) from my command but if we don't he is giving me a signed cowboys hat. I agreed to the terms.

While it will be cool to win that hat off him it also concerns me a bit. For Bryan to make a bet off such an idiotic draft pick I wonder does he have some inside information that we don't know about? I literally CANNOT describe how SICK I will be if we waste our 1st rounder on a backup qb. Any thoughts on this????

jerry loves Manziel.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Jerry has said many times that he does not make the investment in a 1st round pick with the idea of him sitting on the bench as a rookie.

I understand that, however he hasn't had the opportunity in drafting his favorite college football player that would lead his team for the next decade.

 

[waving monkey]

Do you recall all the drama it caused? It was the furtherest thing from a seamless transition. Favre did not want to go and Rodgers trying to force his way into the starting lineup. The drama would be 10x worse in Dallas.

all true but look at the packers today

 

[waving monkey]

I think Manziel is going to be a bum as an NFL quarterback but if the scouts say he's a franchise QB you've got to take him

ask Roger Staubach

 

[65fastback2plus2]

Johnny Football is the best pick in the Draft.

if you arent counting teddy bridgewater

 

[AKATheRake]

No way would any team offer us a first round pick for Romo who would be 35 by then.

If he has a probowl season or one close to last years there would be at least 10 teams that would want him and would cough up a 1st, 35 year old QB or not.

 

[rkell87]

can't wait for the manziel crap to stop, he is going to flame out so hard.