News: BTB: Cowboys Alfred Morris Is One Of The Good Guys

Philmonroe

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You can stick to trying to under moral people. That seems to be something you are more comfortable with.

You responded to my post where I said I am glad he is a good guy and how I prefer to have good guys on my team. You decided you needed to let it be known that no one should care about what kind of person someone else is..
I don't doubt there are other fans who feel the way you do. Just as there are fans who feel the way I do. (just ask Ray Rice and Hardy) Your position is not unique or even moderately interesting. The only interesting part was that you decided to respond to my post questioning others holding players to a certain standard.

I'll be glad to respond to the rest of your post if you could be so kind as to phrase it in a more legible way.

To summarize....I prefer players who are good on and off the field.....and you don't care what they do off the field.
Whats to argue about? Are you hoping that I will suddenly not care what players do off the field?
Lame but nice try with the under moral people. I don't do either. I just don't care much what people that aren't family/friends or otherwise have some personal connection to me do like that if its not affecting me. I don't need my athletes, movie stars, etc to live like monks or else.

I decided just like you wanted to post you care about good guys that I disagree about that art and don't think people should care. Yeah sue me its a messageboard and disagreements happen. I didn't question you I just think your view and many others on this issue is based on something else more than good guy bad guy and stated so. Don't think that's questioning cause end of the day doesn't matter what you think cause we aren't changing minds on either side. You just want to post with nobody having an opinion on your views? If so post on a messageboard of just yourself.

The old and oh sooooo tired I can't understand your post online troupe. Sad thing is 9 times outta10 a lie. Almost every time somebody does that routine they always seem to miraculously respond to everything the person they claim they can't understand posted anyway.

Lastly I'm not arguing I'm stating my opinion and if you never responded it would've been over. I'm not here to change your mind and have never tried. This is a messageboard you post stuff I disagree/agree with I'm going to comment at times. Nothing more nothing less.
 

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being a good guy has nothing to do with winning or losing.

No crap.

But again, we just had to put with a "bad guy" at the RB position. Anyone who is trying to downplay character is being intentionally stupid, and there is enough of that going around these past couple months here.
 

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I really don't give a bleep about nice guys. This isn't a dating choice for those with daughters this is football. As long as they can be on the field and not doing anything that messes that up why would I care or anybody else care? That's like caring what your co workers or some other person I don't really have a connection to does. It doesn't mess with me or my family I'm good. Some people only do this IMO because when you have more money/more fame/more status than the avg person they look for reasons to talk bad about said people.

What other point would anyone make about a football player being a good person or not? Seriously? What the heck else? Haha They are bringing this up because we had two players last year who were known to be "bad guys". We don't want to repeat this.

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Yep mr morality yes to all your questions. Spare me the human level trying to out moral me crap. I don't know these people and if it wasn't for football wouldn't care what they do so besides showing up and playing nope don't really care what they do outside of a few things that would also translate to you or anybody else too. Of course we are different I don't try to out moral people like that is something to be proud of.

Good for you and others but its just as many if not more that don't care about all this stuff you kicking and just want their team to win not trying to be the morality/goody two shoes police. Name calling isn't good though for the out morality type you come of as in this discussion. Makes you look bad when your stooping low yourself esp since you don't know any of these players you talked about personally probably. You just know some made a mistake and mr morality gets to be judge and jury must feel nice right?

Sorry, bud...not all good intent is for a bad purpose. To point, when I attended the US Air Force Academy...way back in '68-69, the Honor Code was: I will not lie, steal, or cheat...nor tolerate those who do. They have worked ever since...and in the toughest of situations.
 

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I didn't question you I just think your view and many others on this issue is based on something else more than good guy bad guy and stated so.

What else could my view be based on other than good guy/bad guy?
 

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Sorry, bud...not all good intent is for a bad purpose. To point, when I attended the US Air Force Academy...way back in '68-69, the Honor Code was: I will not lie, steal, or cheat...nor tolerate those who do. They have worked ever since...and in the toughest of situations.
Sorry bud but I don't care about what these cats do if they are on the field. I don't have that type of connection to sports players. I also don't look to them as role models or anything like that so what they do off field

What other point would anyone make about a football player being a good person or not? Seriously? What the heck else? Haha They are bringing this up because we had two players last year who were known to be "bad guys". We don't want to repeat this.

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Your logic doesn't really work because you can find people that weren't good people that have had no problems so you need something better than that rationale. Before Randle went crazy he wasn't a "bad" guy that people talked about being one so I'm not seeing the connection.

What else could my view be based on other than good guy/bad guy?
Money, status, prestige. I said this in my first reply to you I think. A lot of people when they do this good guy bad guy stuff it doesn't seem to come from just that perspective. It always seems like it more esp in person where you can see people's reaction. It might not be you but I've saw too many people react that way to be naive and think it couldn't subconsciously be a part of why you feel that way.
 

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Sorry bud but I don't care about what these cats do if they are on the field. I don't have that type of connection to sports players. I also don't look to them as role models or anything like that so what they do off field

You may not but millions of children do see them as larger than life role models. Right or wrong it is the reality of the world. Sports stars, celebrities, actors ect are looked up to by children. I don't know if you have children. I have 3 sons. I prefer not dismissing bad behaviors or bad people just because they have the ability to run fast or sing well. If anything these people should be held to an even higher standard for being lucky enough to be in the position to earn more in 1 year than the average FAMILY makes in 400 years (20million per year is 400 times the average family US income).
 

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You may not but millions of children do see them as larger than life role models. Right or wrong it is the reality of the world. Sports stars, celebrities, actors ect are looked up to by children. I don't know if you have children. I have 3 sons. I prefer not dismissing bad behaviors or bad people just because they have the ability to run fast or sing well. If anything these people should be held to an even higher standard for being lucky enough to be in the position to earn more in 1 year than the average FAMILY makes in 400 years (20million per year is 400 times the average family US income).
Well maybe them millions of children need better parenting. 50/50 on that comment because as much as I like people for their skills I never had them as role models. It was my parents and grandmother that were my "role models" as far as life is concerned. Now sports wise yes I wanted to be like my favorite player but outside of that nope. I don't and didn't dismiss bad behavior at all. I said it just doesn't factor in my rooting for a player their play does. Bold is exactly what I was talking about from the beginning when this discussion comes up and I'm never down with that. It takes a lot of hard work to get where there at its not like these people just woke up and won a lottery jackpot.
 

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Sorry bud but I don't care about what these cats do if they are on the field. I don't have that type of connection to sports players. I also don't look to them as role models or anything like that so what they do off field

Your logic doesn't really work because you can find people that weren't good people that have had no problems so you need something better than that rationale. Before Randle went crazy he wasn't a "bad" guy that people talked about being one so I'm not seeing the connection.

Money, status, prestige. I said this in my first reply to you I think. A lot of people when they do this good guy bad guy stuff it doesn't seem to come from just that perspective. It always seems like it more esp in person where you can see people's reaction. It might not be you but I've saw too many people react that way to be naive and think it couldn't subconsciously be a part of why you feel that way.

That is a spoiled perspective, and in the real world, if one can't trust the foul weather types when shyte hits the fan, one has a Soviet type of life.

Football breeds character, and if it doesn't, it simply isn't a building experience. You end up with runway queens and Momma's kids. Then anger management and drug failures...and not seeing directions, doesn't hide them.

Football has created more than a casual role in forging future Veterans in our Armed Forces. The NFL should be chocked full of role models, and if not...then where is the real sport?
 

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Sorry bud but I don't care about what these cats do if they are on the field. I don't have that type of connection to sports players. I also don't look to them as role models or anything like that so what they do off field

Your logic doesn't really work because you can find people that weren't good people that have had no problems so you need something better than that rationale. Before Randle went crazy he wasn't a "bad" guy that people talked about being one so I'm not seeing the connection.

Money, status, prestige. I said this in my first reply to you I think. A lot of people when they do this good guy bad guy stuff it doesn't seem to come from just that perspective. It always seems like it more esp in person where you can see people's reaction. It might not be you but I've saw too many people react that way to be naive and think it couldn't subconsciously be a part of why you feel that way.

Why would anyone talk about Randle being a bad guy...before he did anything? Are you drunk or something? People questioned Randle's behavior AFTER his first incident of theft.
 

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Well maybe them millions of children need better parenting. 50/50 on that comment because as much as I like people for their skills I never had them as role models. It was my parents and grandmother that were my "role models" as far as life is concerned. Now sports wise yes I wanted to be like my favorite player but outside of that nope. I don't and didn't dismiss bad behavior at all. I said it just doesn't factor in my rooting for a player their play does. Bold is exactly what I was talking about from the beginning when this discussion comes up and I'm never down with that. It takes a lot of hard work to get where there at its not like these people just woke up and won a lottery jackpot.

These people won the genetic lottery. People are ok saying a person like Jonathan Soros won the genetic or birth lottery but not a person born with an athletic skillset. Payton and Eli Manning have never worked any harder than the guy working 10 hour days loading trucks at the shipping factory. The reality is the money all sports and other entertainers earn is totally out of line with reality. They were born with an obvious advantage that so so many were not born with.

Children needing better parenting isn't a free pass for people who are in positions of being role models to act any way they choose. Children can have the best parents in the world but when they see so many people idolizing a man and looking the other way at this mans transgressions it has an impact regardless of the parents of this child.

I understand you do not feel you were impacted by actions of your role models...but does this mean we should ignore all the children who are?

You have never had a sports figure that you just didn't want to route for because of bad behavior or their off field personality? A player, celebrity, entertainer, that you experienced treating people like absolute crap and this made you not want to cheer for their success? If you had a child and your child saw a professional player at the mall and when your kid asked them for an autograph the player said "shut up and leave me alone you ugly little brat"...After watching your own childs heart break you would still turn on the tv on sunday and route for this man to continue his success?
 

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I think Gruden did that

I'm sure you are right.

He was bent on not using RG3 and Morris as the offensive leaders.

I guess he knew what he was doing.

RG3 was dividing the locker room for sure but I have no clue if Morris was perceived as part of that or not.

Regardless..I'm happy he's a Cowboy.
 

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Why would anyone talk about Randle being a bad guy...before he did anything? Are you drunk or something? People questioned Randle's behavior AFTER his first incident of theft.
Your point was stupid that's why I mentioned Randle. Its always going to be bad people so spare me the oh they care because of these two stuff. If that's the case they really don't care.



These people won the genetic lottery. People are ok saying a person like Jonathan Soros won the genetic or birth lottery but not a person born with an athletic skillset. Payton and Eli Manning have never worked any harder than the guy working 10 hour days loading trucks at the shipping factory. The reality is the money all sports and other entertainers earn is totally out of line with reality. They were born with an obvious advantage that so so many were not born with.

Children needing better parenting isn't a free pass for people who are in positions of being role models to act any way they choose. Children can have the best parents in the world but when they see so many people idolizing a man and looking the other way at this mans transgressions it has an impact regardless of the parents of this child.

I understand you do not feel you were impacted by actions of your role models...but does this mean we should ignore all the children who are?

You have never had a sports figure that you just didn't want to route for because of bad behavior or their off field personality? A player, celebrity, entertainer, that you experienced treating people like absolute crap and this made you not want to cheer for their success? If you had a child and your child saw a professional player at the mall and when your kid asked them for an autograph the player said "shut up and leave me alone you ugly little brat"...After watching your own childs heart break you would still turn on the tv on sunday and route for this man to continue his success?
I don't care about other people for purposes of this issue we are talking about each other right? Well I don't say people hit the lottery cause of who they are born to or they have athletic talent so use that logic on them. The reality is you're just a jealous person that you aren't making that money they make. Maybe if you weren't busy being jealous you could find out you too also have a talent that can get you paid.

It kinda should be a free pass because nobody should have to act a certain way for your children because they don't look up to,you enough. It would be nice if everybody did the right thing but that's not life at all. Since I know that's not life and people are just humans I don't expect people to be some perfect humans. I've told you many times I don't care what you do that you don't post. When you post it its open to criticism just like my post are.

No I haven't cause I don't care about that stuff. I think being realistic too how many people are doing things that make you say I'm not rooting for,them either? Maybe 5-10% of players? That's not a lot to be honest. A celebrity treating fans like crap don't really care about either. I look at it the same way as talking to a girl she may be nice or she may be rude but that's the risk you take talking to strangers. Just because I buy their products don't mean I'm entitled to their time unless its one of those types of events.min that situation I'd understand someone being upset. That last example is sooo far from the norm its really not worth justifying. I'm sure its happened but I doubt that's more than 1% of all experiences esp with a little child. Their heart going to get broke anyway outside of the words used I tell them that's life at times and you have to take the good with the bad.



That is a spoiled perspective, and in the real world, if one can't trust the foul weather types when shyte hits the fan, one has a Soviet type of life.

Football breeds character, and if it doesn't, it simply isn't a building experience. You end up with runway queens and Momma's kids. Then anger management and drug failures...and not seeing directions, doesn't hide them.

Football has created more than a casual role in forging future Veterans in our Armed Forces. The NFL should be chocked full of role models, and if not...then where is the real sport?
Call it what you want we just disagree on this issue.
 

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I'm interested in seeing what he has left in the tank. And at least he won't be getting arrested for stealing underwear from the mall.
 
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