News: BTB: Cowboys Cap Casualties? Three Players Who Might Be Candidates To Be Cut

[dallasdave]

Beyond the fact that Brandon Carr is vastly overpaid, he simply isn't worth a roster spot going forward at any price.

He's the worst CB on the team.

Carr has been the most trageted, allowed more completions, more TDs, the highest opposing QB rating, has the most missed tackles and zero interceptions.

Morris Claiborne isn't much better, but I am willing to re-sign him provided it is a one year "prove it" contract or contains an easy out for Dallas prior to the second season like we had with Henry Melton.

My preference is to replace both.

Well said Fin

 

[Kaiser]

Beyond the fact that Brandon Carr is vastly overpaid, he simply isn't worth a roster spot going forward at any price.

I completely disagree. Every time Cowboy fans say "his replacement can't be worse" we go from an Andre Gurode to Ryan Cook and Phil Costa.

 

[Nightman]

That's what I was getting at. The net savings of cutting Carr would be 1.6 Million and I don't think the Cowboys cap situation from 2016 to 2017 is so bad that shifting the 2.7MM from one year to the next is a big factor.

I think regardless of how big the number is, if the difference is paying Carr an extra 1.6MM to be the 3rd CB or saving that by cutting him, Carr will be on the team. And Carr as the 3rd CB will be much bigger contribution than this year when he was asked to be the #1 CB at times. Or more likely, some restructure will be worked out this offseason. Last year it would have been a net loss of 4MM to cut Carr, which is likely why his agent stonewalled and won the battle.

DAL would save 6.8m cutting Carr.

As a June 1st cut they would 9.1m with 2.7m dead money in 2017.

It is well worth the 9.1m in saved money and cap space to cut Carr. He adds nothing but tackles after the catch. We can get that for vet min.

 

[big dog cowboy]

DAL would save 6.8m cutting Carr.

As a June 1st cut they would 9.1m with 2.7m dead money in 2017.

It is well worth the 9.1m in saved money and cap space to cut Carr. He adds nothing but tackles after the catch. We can get that for vet min.

Well said my friend.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

I think Carr is gone and they'll let Free/Green battle it out and that Church will be a backup

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

lets use the term "casualty" loosely, I think we could call this situation Cap Liberation

 

[Hoofbite]

After only 4 years of a contract that was originally written for 5 years, Brandon Carr could become a cap casualty and will leave a modest $5M in dead money.

What shred managers those Jones' are.

 

[Nightman]

After only 4 years of a contract that was originally written for 5 years, Brandon Carr could become a cap casualty and will leave a modest $5M in dead money.

What shred managers those Jones' are.

I like how you conveniently leave out the part where his cap hit was 8m the first 2 years instead of 20m

Quit trying to make simple accounting practices sound like gross mismanagement

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I like how you conveniently leave out the part where his cap hit was 8m the first 2 years instead of 20m

Quit trying to make simple accounting practices sound like gross mismanagement

Someone people are willing to look a fool if it means they get to throw an insult Jones' way.

 

[dogunwo]

I would add Street to that list - we need to upgrade WR and it starts there.

They did, Brice Butler.

 

[Fredd]

I would add Street to that list - we need to upgrade WR and it starts there.

It's a shame I cannot "like" this more than once

Street = worst person on the roster (notice: I can't call him a player)

 

[DeaconBlues]

After only 4 years of a contract that was originally written for 5 years, Brandon Carr could become a cap casualty and will leave a modest $5M in dead money.

What shred managers those Jones' are.

Not sure of the reason for the angst here. Any contract with an upfront bonus leaves dead money for any year it terminates early.

Basic math.

 

[AzorAhai]

It isn't that easy.

The proposed cap space generated by these possible June releases (BTW, the date is reportedly being moved to May 12th in 2016) would be unavailable to use until the releases officially went on the books in May/June.

Free agency opens on March 15, 2016.

It's a moot point because Dallas can create all the room it needs without using the June/May designation (which can be used on 2 players ahead of time) on any player.

And it's doubtful Doug Free and Barry Church will be cut loose during the off-season, anyway.

If Chaz Green and J.J. Wilcox or other players beat them out in training camp/pre-season next year, that's fine. But the regular cap savings for Free and Church aren't worth just kicking them to the curb before a sure upgrade is added to the roster.

If the veterans get beat out before the regular season starts, they can be released at that point, possibly traded for a future draft pick or kept as depth depending on how the roster shakes out.

Brandon Carr, on the other hand, I would definitely pink slip.

And there's no need to use a designation to spread the dead money over two seasons, just send Carr packing and eat the dead money all at once.

The Cowboys can attempt to re-sign Morris Claiborne before free agency begins and all the contract moves are made to prepare for the off-season.

However, neither corner is ideal in the scheme. They lack the desired physicality in press coverage and run support and have poor instincts in zone coverage.

I'm willing to give Claiborne another year, this looks to be the first time he won't need major surgery during the off-season, but the deal has to be for one year or have an easy escpae clause prior to the second year.

I think you're trying to say the June 1st Cut/savings has moved to May 12th, but thats not accurate(forgive me if thats not what you're saying). The date the cap savings hits is completely unchanged. It remains June 1st. The only thing that changed is they moved the date up so players who get designated this way have a little extra time at the start of FA to find a new team. This way, they have a chance to get signed before the big money dries up.

 

[jazzcat22]

If you cut them, you need to look at how much it costs to replace them. And is that player truly any better.
May be best to keep them on the roster. Draft their potential replacement, or a low cost FA. See what unfolds in TC.
If other players emerge, then keep them for depth.
The exception being Carr. shouldn't have a player with that pay as a backup. He then becomes a progress stopper.

If Mo is resigned, and with Scandrick coming back, and if Mitchell shows something to keep him I say they go with them next year, unless a sure bet is there in the draft. A better consistent pass rush, and I think they are good at CB IF they end up going with those 4. Can't address every position at same time.
Then Jones goes to FS, and Wilcox to SS, unless they can get a FA or draft one. However, keep Church for depth, and Wilcox. Who would you prefer as depth at S...Church and Wilcox or Heath and McCray?

As for the OL, many things in play there. If Green looks to be able to replace Free as the starter, then keep Free as the Swing Tackle. IMO, Weems is not the answer there. Then you have to look at a FA or the draft to replace him. Which you do for at least competition. If that happens, then need to look at OG. That depends on Leary and Bernadeau. Which one stays or goes, or both leave or stay.

To many moving parts to just say let's cut them and move on. Though many times we have all said it after a bone headed play....cut that sucker...LOL...

 

[Randy White]

Carr = Gone as of yesterday

Church = Keep because he's cheap and is a good special team player BUT find a replacement for his starting job. He can be cut, or resigned at an reduced price, after next season.

Free = Gone. Leary and/or Chaz Green to battle it out for the LG position, move Le'aL Collins to RT.

 

[fortdick]

I would cut all three bums and save the money and get some real players. I mean we can pay guys alot less to play like crap or up to those players level.

Yeah, why didn't they get "real players" to begin with. They are hanging out in every checkout line in every grocery store in the country. They are everywhere! It makes no sense not having all pros at every position.

Jerry should be locked up in a retirement home and Garrett should be sent where ever Ginger get sent to. Bill Cower brought in to coach and be GM!

BTW, Ginger is a derogatory term and too many people are using it here. I am ashamed for falling into it myself.

 

[gmoney112]

If you cut them, you need to look at how much it costs to replace them. And is that player truly any better.
May be best to keep them on the roster. Draft their potential replacement, or a low cost FA. See what unfolds in TC.
If other players emerge, then keep them for depth.
The exception being Carr. shouldn't have a player with that pay as a backup. He then becomes a progress stopper.

If Mo is resigned, and with Scandrick coming back, and if Mitchell shows something to keep him I say they go with them next year, unless a sure bet is there in the draft. A better consistent pass rush, and I think they are good at CB IF they end up going with those 4. Can't address every position at same time.
Then Jones goes to FS, and Wilcox to SS, unless they can get a FA or draft one. However, keep Church for depth, and Wilcox. Who would you prefer as depth at S...Church and Wilcox or Heath and McCray?

As for the OL, many things in play there. If Green looks to be able to replace Free as the starter, then keep Free as the Swing Tackle. IMO, Weems is not the answer there. Then you have to look at a FA or the draft to replace him. Which you do for at least competition. If that happens, then need to look at OG. That depends on Leary and Bernadeau. Which one stays or goes, or both leave or stay.

To many moving parts to just say let's cut them and move on. Though many times we have all said it after a bone headed play....cut that sucker...LOL...

That CB rotation just made me throw up in my mouth. I know what you're saying, but that is terrible.

We need at least one secondary player in FA. A good one. Terrance Mitchell has the lone CB interception this season. That'd be hilarious if it wasn't so depressing.

I really don't want Morris or Carr back. We have the resources to revamp the secondary, and if we're serious about competing for a Super Bowl we're going to have to make taking the ball away a necessity.

I just hope they don't feel obligated to retain Morris because of the resources they devoted to him, with the intent of trying to save face. He is what he is at this point, a mediocre CB who isn't very good in zone, usually has to be schemed around, doesn't make plays on the ball, can't catch when he is rarely in good position, and is injury prone.

Throw a one year/1-2 mill deal at Charles Tillman the first day of FA and you just replaced Morris.

 

[pancakeman]

Do any of y'all think the fact that Church was named a captain shows that the staff thinks of him as an important leader and is less likely to cut him loose?

 

[jazzcat22]

Do any of y'all think the fact that Church was named a captain shows that the staff thinks of him as an important leader and is less likely to cut him loose?

I believe the players vote on the team captains.
But you are still correct as to the staff probably thinks that way too.

 

[jazzcat22]

That CB rotation just made me throw up in my mouth. I know what you're saying, but that is terrible.

We need at least one secondary player in FA. A good one. Terrance Mitchell has the lone CB interception this season. That'd be hilarious if it wasn't so depressing.

I really don't want Morris or Carr back. We have the resources to revamp the secondary, and if we're serious about competing for a Super Bowl we're going to have to make taking the ball away a necessity.

I just hope they don't feel obligated to retain Morris because of the resources they devoted to him, with the intent of trying to save face. He is what he is at this point, a mediocre CB who isn't very good in zone, usually has to be schemed around, doesn't make plays on the ball, can't catch when he is rarely in good position, and is injury prone.

Throw a one year/1-2 mill deal at Charles Tillman the first day of FA and you just replaced Morris.

Agree, as it won't bother me a bit if Mo returns or not, and same with Carr. But if they use cap money on other areas like Hardy and McClain, and other areas, they may go with this secondary with other options as depth if someone is not taken in the draft.