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what I think of ESPN.News: BTB: ESPN calls Cowboys Dak Prescott a Tier 3 quarterback, behind two other NFC East QBs
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So...in other words, Dak's quality as a passer is negated by the excellent job the fo has done surrounding him with talent. Makes perfect sense!
Dak Prescott is not among the better QBs around according to the panel from ESPN.
ESPN produced their fourth annual QB rankings, where NFL quarterbacks are place in tiers based on the votes from a 50-person panel of NFL insiders. There are five tiers, with Tier 1 being the best and Tier 5 the worst. How were they ranking the QBs?
The higher the tier, the less help the quarterback needs to be effective, especially when circumstances inevitably call for him to flourish in pure passing situations -- those highly pressurized times when handing off or running with the ball do not cut it, and the quarterback must win from the pocket for his team to have a chance.
Based on that description you can kind of guess where this heading. Dak Prescott has been consistently downgraded by many since he plays on a team with an excellent offensive line, a powerful running game and plenty of weapons to help him. No matter that his rookie year was one for the ages, and when called upon, he rallied the team to comebacks and victories. It wasn’t enough to get him any further than 14th in the rankings, the top of Tier 3.
At the top you get the usual suspects like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, they were joined in the Tier 1 group by Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees and Matt Ryan.
Tier 2 consisted of Andrew Luck, Derek Carr, Philip Rivers, Matthew Stafford, Russell Wilson, Eli Manning, Cam Newton and Kirk Cousins.
It kind of feels like Manning’s ranking is a little bit of reputation from previous years and from winning Super Bowls. One of the insiders said he could be a Tier 1 on some days and a Tier 4 on others. Heck, he can be both of those in one game. Cousins gets credit for being able to win games with a poor performing defense and suspect running game. He comes in one spot ahead of Prescott.
Leading off Tier 3 is Prescott. Here are a few of the things the insiders said about Dak.
"I feel like he is a high-Tier 3, possibly low-Tier 2 guy, but I feel like a lot of the reason he was so good is because of everything around him -- the line, the running back, the weapons, the coordinator," a defensive coach said. Twenty-four of the 50 voters knew this and still put Prescott in the second tier.
"I thought his year was brilliant," an offensive coordinator said. "He played like he was a veteran. He played within himself. He did not do stupid stuff. He used his legs, he was accurate as all get out. Then with the press, how he handled things, the team, showing up at Mississippi State women's basketball games -- I just liked everything he did this year. Way beyond the normal."
Prescott got good reviews, but people basically wondered if he could be as good with less to work with. This is a very hard question to answer, but if Ezekiel Elliott misses games because of suspension, we might get to see Dak asked to do a little more than usual.
Carson Wentz ended up at #21 in the bottom of Tier 3.
So BTB, did Dak get slighted? Of are the rankings legit?
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Kirk Cousins.
Yeah, I don't get the "Cousin's love" either.
He benefits (or his stats do) because he hoists up a bunch of passes. Over 600 attempts last season.
He's accurate but he's not a "TD Machine" by any stretch... Last season he had 25 TD's which wasn't a lot given the amount of attempts. And he's had one of the best receiving corps in the league.
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If this is true, then Eli should be 4th Tier. Or worse.
He's never had 3 years of consistent good seasons.
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That's why I rarely go to espn for anything that includes print and tv.
Dak Prescott is not among the better QBs around according to the panel from ESPN.
ESPN produced their fourth annual QB rankings, where NFL quarterbacks are place in tiers based on the votes from a 50-person panel of NFL insiders. There are five tiers, with Tier 1 being the best and Tier 5 the worst. How were they ranking the QBs?
The higher the tier, the less help the quarterback needs to be effective, especially when circumstances inevitably call for him to flourish in pure passing situations -- those highly pressurized times when handing off or running with the ball do not cut it, and the quarterback must win from the pocket for his team to have a chance.
Based on that description you can kind of guess where this heading. Dak Prescott has been consistently downgraded by many since he plays on a team with an excellent offensive line, a powerful running game and plenty of weapons to help him. No matter that his rookie year was one for the ages, and when called upon, he rallied the team to comebacks and victories. It wasn’t enough to get him any further than 14th in the rankings, the top of Tier 3.
At the top you get the usual suspects like Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, they were joined in the Tier 1 group by Ben Roethlisberger, Drew Brees and Matt Ryan.
Tier 2 consisted of Andrew Luck, Derek Carr, Philip Rivers, Matthew Stafford, Russell Wilson, Eli Manning, Cam Newton and Kirk Cousins.
It kind of feels like Manning’s ranking is a little bit of reputation from previous years and from winning Super Bowls. One of the insiders said he could be a Tier 1 on some days and a Tier 4 on others. Heck, he can be both of those in one game. Cousins gets credit for being able to win games with a poor performing defense and suspect running game. He comes in one spot ahead of Prescott.
Leading off Tier 3 is Prescott. Here are a few of the things the insiders said about Dak.
"I feel like he is a high-Tier 3, possibly low-Tier 2 guy, but I feel like a lot of the reason he was so good is because of everything around him -- the line, the running back, the weapons, the coordinator," a defensive coach said. Twenty-four of the 50 voters knew this and still put Prescott in the second tier.
"I thought his year was brilliant," an offensive coordinator said. "He played like he was a veteran. He played within himself. He did not do stupid stuff. He used his legs, he was accurate as all get out. Then with the press, how he handled things, the team, showing up at Mississippi State women's basketball games -- I just liked everything he did this year. Way beyond the normal."
Prescott got good reviews, but people basically wondered if he could be as good with less to work with. This is a very hard question to answer, but if Ezekiel Elliott misses games because of suspension, we might get to see Dak asked to do a little more than usual.
Carson Wentz ended up at #21 in the bottom of Tier 3.
So BTB, did Dak get slighted? Of are the rankings legit?
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I don't get the thinking that Dak is only good because the team around him is good.
Ok, same team was around Weeden, cassell, and moore. Those guys still sucked and the offense was stagnant
It's the same sense that Romo took all the blame for losses when the team around him was not as good.
So is a guy only good when his team sucks and he somehow wins?
Ok, same team was around Weeden, cassell, and moore. Those guys still sucked and the offense was stagnant
It's the same sense that Romo took all the blame for losses when the team around him was not as good.
So is a guy only good when his team sucks and he somehow wins?
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I am the exact opposite. I think people around here undersell Cousins.
Ratings of 101 and 97 the last two years, QBRs of 74 and 71. The guy is a legit QB and another season like the last two and he should be thought of as a Top 10 QB.
For the life of me, I can't figure out what the hell Washington is thinking in pushing him out the door. It's not easy finding a QB of his ilk.
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Further, after trashing (for lack of a better term) Dak because he had so much talent around him, they turn around and say things like "Wait until Wentz gets all this skill talent around him.........."
Wait, what?
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there have been QB's who have had great 1st years that they did not follow up on like RGIII and Kaepernick but those guys were gimmick guys who relied a lot on their legs. That is not Dak. From what I saw this last game, Dak is going to pick up right where he left off. Good decisions, accurate passing and take what the D gives him; convert 3rd downs and move the ball down the field. Giving him Switzer and more underneath stuff for Dez is just going to make it easier for him to play like that. I also think that is going to open up even more deep stuff. We are going to be very hard to defend with the consistency he has shown.
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Kirk Cousins.
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They are already wrong. They know it as well as you and I. They spewed this same garbage about Aikman. Crap like this generates a ton of clicks though.
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Complete BS. Several of the Tier 2 QB's have great weapons around them. A look at our 2015 season should indicate that you still must have poise, smarts, instincts, leadership, arm talent etc in order to make a machine flourish.
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I agree. But in all fairness did RG3 get put in tier one after only one season?
I imagine he will get bumped a tier or two if he sustains the success he had last year
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This. I don't think Cousins is a top 5 QB in this league but I do believe he is much better then many give him credit for. The Skins are not good but he has posted back to back good seasons with average talent around him, IMO.
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The Commanders offered Cousins a pretty good package this year, but he turned it down. Wisely, IMO.
He makes $24M guaranteed this year after making $20M last year. He is a free agent next year. If he is franchised again, he makes $34MM guaranteed. Highly unlikely.
So over the past 2 years he's made about $44M and has all the leverage next year, assuming he has another good year in 2017.
He is sitting pretty by not signing a long term deal.
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Matt Ryan never did anything until last year when he had great weapons around him.
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Matt Ryan says hello