BTB Vela: A 2nd Look at the Tape: Garrett Plays the Hot Hand

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Is it just me, or does everyone love reading this stuff? It's like a mystery novel.

MLB Antonio Pierce dropped off his rush to chase Witten, but he was in no position to make a sure tackle. Witten parried him aside with a stiff arm and would have walked into the end zone had he not run into Williams, who was locked onto Aaron Ross on the sideline.

Sabotage!
 

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NextGenBoys;2501238 said:
Can we please stop with the moaning about Garrett now?

No, we can't. This only proves what people have been saying about Garrett far too long. The reason such a thing stands out is because it is unusual for Garrett. The offense has finally started 'adjusting'. People have been saying over and over again, he needs to shorten the passing game. But the same thing happened last year, in the first game against Philly, with Garrett moving TO all over the place and running all sorts of short quick slants to counteract the blitzing of Philly. He stopped that. Until Garrett starts to call plays with some consistency and adapts, we will continue to harp on his sorry coordinating...

Garrett then went to part two of his strategy -- counter Tuck's aggression by going right at him. On first downs, Tuck plays LE, across from RT Marc Colombo. On the next play, Dallas ran a tight end screen to Bennett, who chipped Tuck, then dropped three yards off the line to sell that he was going to block all play. This gave Leonard Davis time to sprint out to lead interference. Davis whiffed on his block, but he provided enough of an impediment to let Bennett gain eight yards.

It is plays like this, we haven't seen all year long, despite Romo facing consistent pressure from DLs. Garrett very rarely ran screens to counter-act aggressive play by the Giants defense, nor play-action passes to make safeties bite. His whole vision was vertical. And his standard act was seen in that series Romo got sacked. Again, it was the vertical nature of Jason in such situations like this that prevented any semblance of consistency during that drive. That blitz drive that Vela mentions, where Spagnola blitzed heavily and Romo got rocked, again it was because of Garrett looking solely vertical.

These types of plays that were successful, the people that are criticizing Garrett were saying these are the types he should be running from the get-go. Amazing isn't it...
 

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theebs;2501486 said:
Well, This clears up why watching the "tape" is much different than watching the tape.

Romo wanted austin to run a deep post there. Austin looked like he missed the read and then ran over the middle and romo had so much time he hit him in stride. You cant see that on tv though. Austin would have had a TD had he run the post, and romo almost threw it, but at the last split second he saw austin break off the route.

Obviously I dont know this, but austin had everyone beat and would have had an easy TD had he run the post and I am almost 100% positive romo thought he was going to once he noticed the giants were in a zone.

And what set it up was 'play-action', which Garrett hasn't been running much all year long. Against the Steelers, I can only remember two times where he called a play-action pass.

Ironic, isn't it....
 

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adbutcher;2501418 said:
Those who make those assertions about Garrett really don't know much about football in my opinion. If by some stretch of the imagination Wade is not back next year, I would take Garrett without batting an eye.


Bingo!


Enough of these "cheese doodle eating" wannabe coordinators who think they know more than Garrett-- and then come here and whine about him.
 

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khiladi;2501580 said:
And what set it up was 'play-action', which Garrett hasn't been running much all year long. Against the Steelers, I can only remember two times where he called a play-action pass.

Ironic, isn't it....

no it is not ironic at all.

romo had time because the giants dropped everyone on that play and the corners were sitting in short zones like a cover 2 corner would.

you just keep driving that garrett sucks and doesnt know what he is doing though. You give such tremendous detail on what he is doing that we have no choice but to agree that garrett sucks.
 

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MichaelWinicki;2501601 said:
Bingo!


Enough of these "cheese doodle eating" wannabe coordinators who think they know more than Garrett-- and then come here and whine about him.

That's just sports, I don't know why it bothers people so much.

Aeronautic fans could look at a space shuttle and think up ways it could have be better, even if their day job is flipping burgers.
 

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khiladi;2501576 said:
No, we can't. This only proves what people have been saying about Garrett far too long. The reason such a thing stands out is because it is unusual for Garrett. The offense has finally started 'adjusting'. People have been saying over and over again, he needs to shorten the passing game. But the same thing happened last year, in the first game against Philly, with Garrett moving TO all over the place and running all sorts of short quick slants to counteract the blitzing of Philly. He stopped that. Until Garrett starts to call plays with some consistency and adapts, we will continue to harp on his sorry coordinating...



It is plays like this, we haven't seen all year long, despite Romo facing consistent pressure from DLs. Garrett very rarely ran screens to counter-act aggressive play by the Giants defense, nor play-action passes to make safeties bite. His whole vision was vertical. And his standard act was seen in that series Romo got sacked. Again, it was the vertical nature of Jason in such situations like this that prevented any semblance of consistency during that drive. That blitz drive that Vela mentions, where Spagnola blitzed heavily and Romo got rocked, again it was because of Garrett looking solely vertical.

These types of plays that were successful, the people that are criticizing Garrett were saying these are the types he should be running from the get-go. Amazing isn't it...

Garrett, meanwhile, had won his game with Spagnuolo. He stayed patient with his game plan and turned New York's strengths against them late. He found New York's defensive rhythms and countered them with his own. It looks simple and obvious, calling screens when New York blitzes and calling draws when they deploy deep. But it took 40 minutes of trial and error to figure out when
Spagnuolo was bluffing with his blitzes and when he was playing a strong hand.

Sometimes, there is more to football than what meets the eye.
 

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theebs;2501608 said:
no it is not ironic at all.

romo had time because the giants dropped everyone on that play and the corners were sitting in short zones like a cover 2 corner would.

you just keep driving that garrett sucks and doesnt know what he is doing though. You give such tremendous detail on what he is doing that we have no choice but to agree that garrett sucks.

Oh, so other teams don't drop everyone on plays...

You missed the point... and that is Garrett was successful using a play, he very rarely runs, i.e. play-action.... That is the irony... Vela is pointing out to a play that Garrett used that Garrett very rarely uses...

And it took Garrett this long to realize it...

Garrett does suck, until he shows better game time management...
 

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khiladi;2501627 said:
Oh, so other teams don't drop everyone on plays...

You missed the point... and that is Garrett was successful using a play, he very rarely runs, i.e. play-action.... That is the irony... Vela is pointing out to a play that Garrett used that Garrett very rarely uses...

And it took Garrett this long to realize it...

Garrett does suck, until he shows better game time management...

well I am convinced.

Now where is Jack Reilly's number.
 

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NextGenBoys;2501625 said:
Sometimes, there is more to football than what meets the eye.

If you pat attention, nobody is dis-respecting Garrett for this game he called on Sunday... They have been criticizing him for it taking so long...

The fact is, this game stands out, because it was so unusual for Garrett.. Teams blitz all the time against the Cowboys, including the Steelers... Garrett never deployed these plays against these teams, even though they are and will always be clearly effective...

But he also called a nice game against Philly last year, game 1... Until he does it consistently, he isn't getting any props... He is the weak link right now on this team, along with Reed from a coaching perspective... You can include Stewart, but Wade seems to have taken the reigns from him, so I don't include him... Wade rectified it...
 

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MichaelWinicki;2501601 said:
Bingo!


Enough of these "cheese doodle eating" wannabe coordinators who think they know more than Garrett-- and then come here and whine about him.

It's in quotes, but new to me. Bravo!

;)
 

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khiladi;2501643 said:
If you pat attention, nobody is dis-respecting Garrett for this game he called on Sunday... They have been criticizing him for it taking so long...

The fact is, this game stands out, because it was so unusual for Garrett.. Teams blitz all the time against the Cowboys, including the Steelers... Garrett never deployed these plays against these teams, even though they are and will always be clearly effective...

But he also called a nice game against Philly last year, game 1... Until he does it consistently, he isn't getting any props... He is the weak link right now on this team, along with Reed from a coaching perspective... You can include Stewart, but Wade seems to have taken the reigns from him, so I don't include him... Wade rectified it...

Ok in that case I'll repost another porton of the article.

He did so piecemeal. On the 2nd down, he again deployed in three wide and New York this time played a straight 4-3, two-deep zone. All three LBs dropped deep to take the receivers intermediate options away.

Garrett dented this package with a simple circle route to Choice, releasing late from the backfield. This play had worked for 50 against Pittsburgh last week. It wasn't going that far against a zone, but the LBs were so deep that Choice gained 14 before a New York defender got close to him.

But go on. Keep saying that all we run is intermediate routes, that we never adjust, and that this game was such an aberration. Seriously, why so much dislike for the guy? Because every argument you make, there are facts to say the opposite.
 

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Not a bad game by Garrett, but I'd give the real credit to Romo and Choice for outstanding individual efforts. I thought the second Washington game was Garrett's best so far--when Romo had no accuracy on anything beyond 20 yards, and we won a tough divisional road game.
 

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NextGenBoys;2501666 said:
Ok in that case I'll repost another porton of the article.

He did so piecemeal. On the 2nd down, he again deployed in three wide and New York this time played a straight 4-3, two-deep zone. All three LBs dropped deep to take the receivers intermediate options away.

Garrett dented this package with a simple circle route to Choice, releasing late from the backfield. This play had worked for 50 against Pittsburgh last week. It wasn't going that far against a zone, but the LBs were so deep that Choice gained 14 before a New York defender got close to him.

But go on. Keep saying that all we run is intermediate routes, that we never adjust, and that this game was such an aberration. Seriously, why so much dislike for the guy? Because every argument you make, there are facts to say the opposite.

And I pointed out that very route used by Choice to counteract the blitz against Pittsburgh... That was an aberration in that it was the first time Garrett used it... WHat don't you get? And he never used it again after using it once, despite it being successful against Pittsburgh...

Garrett has been here almost two years... How many times have you seen it?
 

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In my head all I can hear when I read that is Jaworski's over entusiastic grunting "breakdown" voice
 

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adbutcher;2501386 said:
Superior post!

It is kind of funny that a bum like Proctor was a FACTOR on so many plays. Vela must be in cahoots with Wade. :)

He got beat three times in the first qtr and Madden called him out. Along with the board's perception he 'sucks' then there you go.

If you watch the OL even with the TV tape you can see he started playing better and also that the rest of the line was not handling the Giants very well at all. Part of that was the play calling but some was due to confusion or at least the appearance.

Proctor turned in a decent game against a very good DL and esp against Tuck.
 

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khiladi;2501882 said:
And I pointed out that very route used by Choice to counteract the blitz against Pittsburgh... That was an aberration in that it was the first time Garrett used it... WHat don't you get? And he never used it again after using it once, despite it being successful against Pittsburgh...

Garrett has been here almost two years... How many times have you seen it?

He didnt use it afterwards, because when he picked up those 14 yards, there was 3:10 left in the game. The next play was the 3rd and 9 to Witten. After that was the run for the clincher.

As Vela said, Garrett had to get a feel for what SS was doing on defense, and adjusted accordingly.
 
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