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What has Jackson done to be anything but PS material....up to now. He has to do something to cement himself unless we don't keep a FB. A FB means three RBs. Right now that is Zeke, Morris, and Dunbar. Even McFadden is in trouble.

He's broke off a couple of long runs, caught passes thrown his way and been force fed tons of carries. Jackson is injury insurance/long term thinking. He's not a likely star. But he's the type of guy good teams keep.
 

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What has McFadden done to earn a roster spot? He's been out for all of training camp. Keep in mind that the team drafted Jackson after they drafted Elliott, signed Morris, and had McFadden and Dunbar coming back. If they weren't high on him, they would never have drafted him.

They drafted him because they didn't think they could get him as a free agent and they thought, rightfully so, that his size and speed were worth taking a look at. Those attributes are also why I think he'll make the practice squad if he doesn't show more than he has.

I compared him to Tyson Thompson, but failed to mention that one reason Thompson made the team was because of his special-teams value. We haven't seen any special teams value yet with Jackson.
 

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Umm..how about he put up over 1000 yards last year and averaged over 4.5 ypc in only 11 games as the starting rb against teams that knew we couldn't throw the ball.

Great. And Murray put up 1,800 yards in 2014. And he was gone in 2015.

Last year is last year.

McFadden had a great season last year, and was one of the few bright spots. But that doesn't earn him a golden ticket into this current roster after missing all of training camp with another in a long line of injuries.

The guys that are playing are earning their spots on this team, McFadden isn't. Nothing should be given to him.
 

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They drafted him because they didn't think they could get him as a free agent and they thought, rightfully so, that his size and speed were worth taking a look at. Those attributes are also why I think he'll make the practice squad if he doesn't show more than he has.

I compared him to Tyson Thompson, but failed to mention that one reason Thompson made the team was because of his special-teams value. We haven't seen any special teams value yet with Jackson.

Where's McFadden's "special teams value"?
:huh:
 

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Not seeing the vision. He had one decent inside run the other night where he made a few slight moves, but I believe fans are falling in love with his runs around the outside and not paying enough attention to what he's doing on the inside runs.

He had a 20-yard run around the left side with the first team against Miami on his first carry, but in his first series as the regular tailback, he started with a 2-yard run up the middle and a minus-2-yard run up the middle.

On his next series, he picked up 9, 3 and 2 yards on runs off left tackle or around the left end, before being dropped for a 1-yard loss on a run up the middle. (It was a goal-line run.)

Next possession: No gain on his only run off left tackle.

On the next possession, he started with a 9-yard run around right end and added a 7-yard run around left end, but in between he went up the middle for 3 and minus-2 yards. He added a minus-1-yard run off right tackle after Keith Smith had gained 6, 4 and 3.

On Dallas' last possession, he had a minus-1-yard run off right tackle before one of his few successful middle runs, a 15-yarder.

So to sum up, out of six middle runs only one went for more than 3 yards. Sure, we can blame some of that on the blocking, but Jackson also just hasn't shown much ability to make defenders miss or cut off the blocks and find the hole. He hasn't really shown great power, either, just mainly speed on those outer-edges runs.
I have seen something different but that's OK we don't have to agree on everything. It's all opinion
 

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They drafted him because they didn't think they could get him as a free agent and they thought, rightfully so, that his size and speed were worth taking a look at. Those attributes are also why I think he'll make the practice squad if he doesn't show more than he has.

I compared him to Tyson Thompson, but failed to mention that one reason Thompson made the team was because of his special-teams value. We haven't seen any special teams value yet with Jackson.
Jackson has played special teams......do you even watch him play
 

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Imo Darius Jackson is not on the bubble at all,he is a young RB with explosive speed who you have control for 4 years,why would you not keep him?.

IMO he hasn't shown much. I put him on the PS to start and if a team tries to pry him away down the the road, see if you can trim the roster somewhere else to secure him.
 

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Both Dunbar and McFadden are definitely on the bubble.

When a team begins to stockpile quality at a certain position, luck can play a part. Players have been cut simply by the misfortune of injury combined with other healthier players taking full advantage of an opportunity.

This preseason I see very little to dislike on the field of play. I predict that will also be the case after tomorrrow night. Coaches can have very short memories when distracted by results in the present.

They should strongly consider keeping four RB's. If they think they can slide Jackson through to the practice squad they are delusional. The league is paying attention, especially to their running game.

Showers is done. Thy should pick up an insurance policy at QB, a 1 year contract to a veteran as the 3rd option.

Gregory is also on the bubble. If they feel they have seen enough from the guys that can play, I could see a possible trade.

Lucky Whitehead on the bubble. They have to consider his value compared to keeping that 4th RB. 9th D-Lineman or even 3rd QB.
Lucky is not on the bubble, IMO. They don't really have another option for returns unless you want to keep Dax Swanson. They also like Lucky as a gadget player even if his receiving/route-running abilities are lacking.

Garrett loves Dunbar. If Dunbar is 100% physically, I think he is a near lock. I think they see him as a WR as much as a RB. His roster spot could be considered as a 6th WR.

Why replace Showers with a scrub veteran. They don't need another Cassell or Weeden. I could see them only keep 2 QBs on the roster, but if they keep 3, I think it will be Showers.

Nobody would trade for Gregory. Jerry does not like to cut players drafted in the top 3 rounds unless they absolutely prove they can't be a contributor.
 

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Great. And Murray put up 1,800 yards in 2014. And he was gone in 2015.

Last year is last year.

McFadden had a great season last year, and was one of the few bright spots. But that doesn't earn him a golden ticket into this current roster after missing all of training camp with another in a long line of injuries.

The guys that are playing are earning their spots on this team, McFadden isn't. Nothing should be given to him.


That's fair but one caveat that you're dismissing re: Dmac is his willingness and ability to execute his protection assignments. None of these guys (including Morris, who actually went the wrong direction in his pass protection duites last week) have proven that they have the smarts or physicality to do this well, yet. Considering the fact that keeping Romo upright this season is paramount to this team's success, this ability HAS to be taken into consideration. Just a little devil's advocate food for thought.

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Where's McFadden's "special teams value"?
:huh:

He has none, but he has proven value as a running back, which Jackson doesn't.

If Jackson had been looking all-world just as an RB, then the spot would be his over one the veterans.
 

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That's fair but one caveat that you're dismissing re: Dmac is his willingness and ability to execute his protection assignments. None of these guys (including Morris, who actually went the wrong direction in his pass protection duites last week) have proven that they have the smarts or physicality to do this well, yet. Considering the fact that keeping Romo upright this season is paramount to this team's success, this ability HAS to be taken into consideration. Just a little devil's advocate food for thought.

:thumbup:

And it's a good point. But I don't think it's enough to give him a roster spot, do you?
 

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IMO he hasn't shown much. I put him on the PS to start and if a team tries to pry him away down the the road, see if you can trim the roster somewhere else to secure him.

When I say play special teams, I mean excel at it, not just be a body. He hasn't stood out in that area.
 

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He has none, but he has proven value as a running back, which Jackson doesn't.

So it's held against him that he's a rookie who hasn't played in an official NFL game yet? And that makes him expendable? It's like requiring someone to be good at something they have never had the opportunity to do.

If Jackson had been looking all-world just as an RB, then the spot would be his over one the veterans.

I don't see where he's had the opportunity, or when he's failed to deliver in the few chances he's received. But i feel he'll be getting more these next two weeks, while McFadden continues not to.

I give McFadden great credit for what he did last year, but not a roster spot.
 

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I have seen something different but that's OK we don't have to agree on everything. It's all opinion

No, the rushing numbers are fact. There's no way to dispute that he has not had much success up the middle.

If you're seeing something different, I don't know how since the numbers don't support it. Right now, he's a good rusher to the outside because of his speed, but he's more of an upright, straight-line runner on the inside, which only works well if the play is blocked near-perfectly.

I used to get excited about Tyson Thompson because he could go around the outside and outrace the defense, but that was all he had other than his return ability. Right now, Jackson is showing similar traits minus the return ability.

If he shows that he can shuffle through the trash on the inside to continually make positive yardage, then he'll probably knock off one of the vets because of age and contract. If not, then Dallas should have no problem getting him to the practice squad.

I added the numbers to my previous post because they are undisputable, no matter what you might think you're seeing.
 
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IMO he hasn't shown much. I put him on the PS to start and if a team tries to pry him away down the the road, see if you can trim the roster somewhere else to secure him.

And if someone claims him on those initial waivers, you never have that chance.
 

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So it's held against him that he's a rookie who hasn't played in an official NFL game yet? And that makes him expendable? It's like requiring someone to be good at something they have never had the opportunity to do.



I don't see where he's had the opportunity, or when he's failed to deliver in the few chances he's received. But i feel he'll be getting more these next two weeks, while McFadden continues not to.

I give McFadden great credit for what he did last year, but not a roster spot.

Again, if Jackson had been dodging bodies on the inside, plowing over defenders, etc., then he would not be expendable. He hasn't done that. He's shown that he can outrun defenders on outside runs.

Dallas knows what McFadden can do in this offense. He showed it last year. Jackson hasn't taken advantage of the opportunities he has had to show that he can run between the tackles. If you just want outside speed, he's shown that. In these last couple of games, he needs to show he can be more than that to get off the bubble.
 

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And it's a good point. But I don't think it's enough to give him a roster spot, do you?


Actually, I do. It may not be a popular opinion but when combined with the fact that he is an excellent teammate, willing and ready to accept any role (be it back up or starter), a mentor to the entire unit, and able to execute ALL aspects of his job duties I do think he's worth a roster spot. He's better at all of these things than every other back on our roster (until we actually see something from Elliot). He's a better pass catcher, better blocker, and has just as much break away ability as Jackson has shown, thus far. To top it off, he's actually proven he can do it in this league at this level. Jackson? Not so much.

Now, don't get me wrong, I have as much hope for Jackson as the next guy but let's be honest. THIS team is about THIS year and a quickly closing window for Romo and Co. There are 5-10 Darius Jacksons in every draft. IF he pans out, great, If not? Next.
 

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And if someone claims him on those initial waivers, you never have that chance.


And that's O.K. The odds of Jackson making any immediate impact this season in the loaded backfield that Dallas has is unlikely anyway. I won't lose any sleep over the Darius Jackson that got away. He's a dime a dozen.
 

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There are a few players who appear to be on the bubble for making the roster who need strong performances in the final two preseason games.

QUARTERBACK
Jamiel Showers — For a variety of reasons, Showers has made only a few standout plays in the first two preseason games. To force Dallas to keep a third quarterback and not just place him on the practice squad, he's going to have to overcome playing with lesser talent around him and make some plays.

RUNNING BACK
Darius Jackson — Jackson could be kept in a crowded backfield no matter what, but he has yet to have a defining performance to cement a spot over either McFadden or Dunbar. He's got the speed and size, but he needs to show the vision and moves that would make him more than just a project.

FULLBACK
Keith Smith — Smith has the chance to show he should be kept over the other Smith or a fourth tight end by displaying the ability to be a lead blocker. He has the right temperament and even showed he can run with the ball. His special teams ability might give him a leg up for the spot, but he's got to be a blocker first.

TIGHT END
Austin Traylor — Traylor is a blocker, and if neither fullback proves capable, he could steal the roster spot out from underneath them. He might get one anyway if he stands out as a blocker.

WIDE RECEIVER
Andy Jones — We're still waiting to see the receiver who was bragged about in camp. Yes, he's been on the field, but he hasn't made many plays. Like many on this list, he might have a practice squad in his future, unless he can convince Dallas it can't risk waiving him, forcing the team to keep a sixth receiver.

OFFENSIVE LINE
Bryan Witzmann and Jake Brendel — While several of Dallas' backup offensive linemen have looked like garbage, these two have displayed potential. Since the Cowboys would probably like to keep a ninth lineman, particularly a tackle, one of these young players might can make the roster if their game continues to progress.

DEFENSIVE END
Ryan Russell — Russell probably isn't in danger of missing the roster with Lawrence and Gregory both suspended, but he hasn't proven in the first two preseason games that he deserves a spot on it. If he doesn't step up and show something, Dallas might search waivers or make a trade like last year's for David Irving for some backup help.

DEFENSIVE TACKLE
Rodney Coe — Coe seemed to be getting an understanding of what's being asked of him against Miami. He gets sloppy with technique, but showed the ability to hold his ground and make some plays. If he continues to improve, he could push his way on to the roster instead of Shanell Jenkins if Jenkins can't play in the next two games.

LINEBACKER
James Morris — With both Gachkar and Nzeocha sidelined, Morris should get plenty of opportunities to try to steal one of their roster spots. However, Morris is also fighting injury and might miss Thursday's game. If so, Derek Akunne and Deon King should get lots of playing time, but I'm not sure if either is really a threat to make the roster.

CORNERBACK
Josh Thomas — I've got five corners ahead of him, but the team might have him ahead of Deji Olaytoye. Either way, he's got to win a spot by continuing to play physical and showing he can be an asset in coverage and on special teams. Jeremiah McKinnon might also be fighting for this spot.

SAFETY
J.J. Wilcox — Wilcox has put himself on the outside of the bubble with some bad plays in coverage, but making some plays on special teams could help him get on the roster, if he doesn't have any more coverage gaffes, which is a big if.
Good list and write-up.

My top question is the DT Jenkins. If healthy he is not even a bubble player to me, but an injury could change things.

DT Coe is my top practice squad player and as you indicated has a small chance at a roster spot if Jenkins has a long term injury. Coe looked quite good in the Dolphins game. He is very strong and started using better technique.

I prefer Olatoye over Thomas and I would keep McKinnon over Thomas. This would be the 6th NFL season for Thomas and he was just OK against 2nd and 3rd team offensive players.

I don't think Morris, Akunne or King have a shot at the roster. They play Nickel (2 LBs) about 60% of the time. They should be able to get through a game with 5 active LBs and then promote someone from the practice squad later if another injury occurs before Nzeocha or Gachkar are healthy. If Keith Smith makes it as a FB, he could serve as an emergency LB.

Garrett seems to be a big fan of Keith Smith. The keep using formations with a FB in the preseason which tells me they likely keep one. I would go without one for the 1st cut to 53 and then bring Keith Smith back when a roster spot opens up due to injury, but I think the Cowboys will keep him. He can also serve as an emergency backup LB on game day and he is a top special teams player.

Traylor is an excellent in-line blocker, but he should be easy to retain on the practice squad.

Andy Jones should be easy to retain on the practice squad.

Any of the OLinemen after the top 8 should be easy to retain on the practice squad.

I would keep the RB Jackson on the 53. They could just consider Dunbar as taking the 6th WR spot because I expect him to be used primarily as a receiver.

Showers is a big question. I think he would make it to the practice squad; although, he might accept a practice squad spot with another team if he thinks that would give him a better chance to succeed.

I still think they will consider keep Rico Gathers just for his future potential. He is not ready, but he has improved significantly since the early practices in training camp. He actually made some decent blocks in the Dolphins game.

Wilcox has regressed. He was "good enough" in 2014 but he does not appear to even be that now. I'll be surprised if they cut him, but he is making 1.66M this year and Stephen Jones likes to save cap dollars whenever possible.

I still think Russell has some talent. With Lawrence out and some injury questions on the DL, I think he makes the 53. He could get bumped when Lawrence returns but spots often open up due to injuries.
 
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