Bucky Brooks, whoever, he is, doesn't think much of Davis

[GimmeTheBall!]

News flash/addendum: The esteemed Bucky Brooks writes for SI.com
(but who the heck is he?)

Leonard Davis, Arizona Cardinals, OT/OG: This is former No. 2 overall pick has never played to the level of his draft status. After being a dominant player at OT in college, Davis has struggled playing the position on the pro level. He had better success inside at OG, but his inconsistent motor and over reliance on his size/strength prevents him from consistently dominating opposing players. Despite his inconsistencies, teams will overpay for his talent and potential.

Did jerra pay too much? If what Bucky says is true, we might have.

 

[burmafrd]

If he does not play better then he did in Arizona we did make a mistake.

 

[Cochese]

If he does not play better then he did in Arizona we did make a mistake.

I dont know what makes any one think he can flip his switch from suck to kick *** now that he has a huge contract.

 

[iceberg]

Leonard Davis, Arizona Cardinals, OT/OG: This is former No. 2 overall pick has never played to the level of his draft status. After being a dominant player at OT in college, Davis has struggled playing the position on the pro level. He had better success inside at OG, but his inconsistent motor and over reliance on his size/strength prevents him from consistently dominating opposing players. Despite his inconsistencies, teams will overpay for his talent and potential.

Did jerra pay too much? If what Bucky says is true, we might have.

we paid going market rate for a player. period.

why everyone wants to think each and every move we make must be:

1) the slickest
2) the biggest steal
3) lopsided to our favor
4) guarantee and a lock

it seems the "bitter crowd" wants all that above or it's a bad move.

salaries are going up. PERIOD. all this "overpay" crap - most people must be looking at salaries of a year or 3-4 ago. in an apples or oranges comparison (which this kinda is) sure it looks like a bad deal.

by todays standards - it's going rate.

not that difficult to comprehend really.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I dont know what makes any one think he can flip his switch from suck to kick *** now that he has a huge contract.

Dang. We could have had the fat boys. We just got one fat one and still no blue-chip or even adequate corner.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

:repost: I posted this article two days ago...

 

[junk]

we paid going market rate for a player. period.

why everyone wants to think each and every move we make must be:

1) the slickest
2) the biggest steal
3) lopsided to our favor
4) guarantee and a lock

it seems the "bitter crowd" wants all that above or it's a bad move.

salaries are going up. PERIOD. all this "overpay" crap - most people must be looking at salaries of a year or 3-4 ago. in an apples or oranges comparison (which this kinda is) sure it looks like a bad deal.

by todays standards - it's going rate.

not that difficult to comprehend really.

If no one else would have paid it, it wasn't market rate. The Commanders appeared to be the only real competition for his services and Clayton reported they weren't interested in offering up that much.

It doesn't have to be the slickest or the biggest steal, but it should be solid and smart.

This is a very risky signing in my opinion. High priced free agent offensive linemen rarely (if ever) work out. Guard should be one of those positions that you don't overpay or draft very high.

 

[jrumann59]

Bucky Brooks was a journey man WR that played with like 1/2 a dozen teams, he grades wr that is why he grades the LD signing so low, of course LD will be a bad wr.

In Bucky Brooks We Trust​

 

[Zaxor]

we paid going market rate for a player. period.

why everyone wants to think each and every move we make must be:

1) the slickest
2) the biggest steal
3) lopsided to our favor
4) guarantee and a lock

it seems the "bitter crowd" wants all that above or it's a bad move.

salaries are going up. PERIOD. all this "overpay" crap - most people must be looking at salaries of a year or 3-4 ago. in an apples or oranges comparison (which this kinda is) sure it looks like a bad deal.

by todays standards - it's going rate.

not that difficult to comprehend really.

 

[Cochese]

If no one else would have paid it, it wasn't market rate. The Commanders appeared to be the only real competition for his services and Clayton reported they weren't interested in offering up that much.

It doesn't have to be the slickest or the biggest steal, but it should be solid and smart.

This is a very risky signing in my opinion. High priced free agent offensive linemen rarely (if ever) work out. Guard should be one of those positions that you don't overpay or draft very high.

Finally a sound post in this thread.

50 million for a mediocre player is market value?

Face it, if the Skins threw that kind of money at Davis you would be having laugh about it.

 

[superpunk]

If no one else would have paid it, it wasn't market rate. The Commanders appeared to be the only real competition for his services and Clayton reported they weren't interested in offering up that much.

It might not have been Clayton but someone reported the Giants were willing to pay more, and Davis said himself he was choosing between Wash. and here. If there was a ridiculous difference in pay, would there have been any decision to make?

Other guards got similar deals, and other parties were interested at similar prices. Hence, market value. At least three teams thought he was worth it.

This is a very risky signing in my opinion. High priced free agent offensive linemen rarely (if ever) work out. Guard should be one of those positions that you don't overpay or draft very high.

That's where our lack of success in the draft has screwed us. RG was a hole we couldn't afford to miss on (again). So we bit the bullet and signed Davis. Who knows how he'll play out of Arizona back at guard? Certainly of the big four guards, he and Dockery have the most upside.

 

[Zaxor]

Finally a sound post in this thread.

50 million for a mediocre player is market value?

Face it, if the Skins threw that kind of money at Davis you would be having laugh about it.

let me ask you this....

out of those OL'men that were signed in the 49-50 million range...

which one made a probowl....

which one can play 4 different positions...

and how much is diversity worth....

now can you tell me who in this FA crop of OL men would you have given that money too...

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

:repost: I posted this article two days ago...

But some thoughtful responses have come in, so just sit back and enjoy them.

 

[zeromaster]

Finally a sound post in this thread.

50 million for a mediocre player is market value?

Face it, if the Skins threw that kind of money at Davis you would be having laugh about it.

Under normal circumstances, yes, but with Dielman and Steinbach gone, and Colombo talking to other teams, that'd be overwhelmed by the roar of "why aren't we doing anything?" Or "we must draft Blaylock". Take your pick.

 

[junk]

It might not have been Clayton but someone reported the Giants were willing to pay more, and Davis said himself he was choosing between Wash. and here. If there was a ridiculous difference in pay, would there have been any decision to make?

Clayton reported that the Giants might be willing to pay more. Did he even visit them?

That's where our lack of success in the draft has screwed us. RG was a hole we couldn't afford to miss on (again). So we bit the bullet and signed Davis. Who knows how he'll play out of Arizona back at guard? Certainly of the big four guards, he and Dockery have the most upside.

Oh I agree he has upside. I'm just concerned that he hasn't lived up to his ability for whatever reason. I'm not sure handing him a huge contract to play in his home state will remedy that.

 

[superpunk]

Clayton reported that the Giants might be willing to pay more. Did he even visit them?

He also reported that the Skins "might" be willing to only pay much less. I'm just not picking and choosing what to believe out of there. Either way, it only takes one other bidder to set the value. Considering the other guards' contracts, and the market set by them, the contract was reasonable.

It might not work, but that's a wait and see thing. It appears we did alright by his money.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

cannot please everyone--so you go to please yourself.

 

[junk]

let me ask you this....

out of those OL'men that were signed in the 49-50 million range...

which one made a probowl....

which one can play 4 different positions...

and how much is diversity worth....

now can you tell me who in this FA crop of OL men would you have given that money too...

I don't think any of them have made the Pro Bowl.

Steinbach could play any of the 5 positions on the line.

I wouldn't give that much money to any guard.

 

[junk]

He also reported that the Skins "might" be willing to only pay much less. I'm just not picking and choosing what to believe out of there. .

Neither am I. He didn't say "might" about the skins.

2. The Leonard Davis drama was the best of the weekend. Davis, a native Texan, wanted to sign with the Cowboys so his parents could see him play. They live a little more than an hour from Dallas. But the Commanders wooed him, and he was intrigued. Pressed by the Cowboys on Friday night for a figure that would prevent him from making the trip to Washington, Davis asked for $24 million in guarantees. Once he got to Washington, Davis' wife kept calling and telling him the wisdom of signing in Dallas so his parents could see him. He signed a staggering seven-year, $49.6 million deal with Dallas that included $18.7 million in guarantees. The Commanders weren't going to go that high. The Giants might have gone higher to make him their left tackle. Davis will play right guard or right tackle for the Cowboys.

 

[superpunk]

Neither am I. He didn't say "might" about the skins.

He doesn't know that. He doesn't know what they offered, and they did make him an offer. If he had to decide, what does common sense tell us about the similarities in the offers? He's passing one thing off as speculation and the other definitive, but he doesn't offer anything definitive on either one.

Common sense suggests that the Commanders were offering similar money to us. Other guards also got similar deals. The market is thus set.