Burnett = bust?

[blindzebra]

Here's our 2005 draft:

1 11 DeMarcus Ware OLB Troy State

1 20 Marcus Spears DE Louisiana State

2 42 Kevin Burnett LB Tennessee

4 109 Marion Barber RB Minnesota

4 132 Chris Canty DE Virginia

6 208 Justin Beriault DB Ball State

6 209 Rob Petitti T Pittsburgh

7 224 Jay Ratliff DE Auburn


Ware, Spears and Canty are starters.

Many feel Barber should be.

Ratliff is a valuable player at DE, NT and nickel DL.

I mean here is a guy nearly a first rounder, in his 3rd year and all he is is a nickel LB, who has barely seen the field.

I find it amusing the amount of hypocrisy being shown...let the Carpenter agendas begin.

 

[theogt]

If he'd been put inside immediately we wouldn't have signed Ayodele and Burnett would be starting right now. Parcells mistakenly believed he was an OLB. Nevermind that he doesn't have the body type at all for a 3-4 OLB.

 

[28 Joker]

You will be changing your toon soon my friend! Very soon.

 

[zeroburrito]

currently, he is a bust. but that doesn't mean he isn't contributing.

 

[Future]

The guy's playing time might signal bust, but he has the talent to be a starter nearly anywhere in the league IMO.

 

[blindzebra]

I'm so glad everyone is missing the point.

Here's a clue, read the last line of the OP again.

:laugh2:

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I don't think you can call him a bust. He was injured his first year. Parcells had him out of position and in his doghouse ever since. The kid can play.. he just needs to be given the opportunity.

 

[blindzebra]

I don't think you can call him a bust. He was injured his first year. Parcells had him out of position and in his doghouse ever since. The kid can play.. he just needs to be given the opportunity.

You talking about Carpenter or Burnett?

Bobby was coming off a leg injury, got nicked early in TC, got moved to a new position, was playing a new defense too.

 

[CoCo]

I'm so glad everyone is missing the point.

Here's a clue, read the last line of the OP again.

:laugh2:

I certainly agree that neither Burnett nor Carpenter are delivering the kind of value we'd hoped for given where they were drafted. Why that is is another discussion.

 

[adamknite]

If he'd been put inside immediately we wouldn't have signed Ayodele and Burnett would be starting right now. Parcells mistakenly believed he was an OLB. Nevermind that he doesn't have the body type at all for a 3-4 OLB.

There is nothing you said that I disagreed with.

 

[Jaxonsdaddd]

Yea the pick of Burnett confused me from day one. Parcells likes these big 3-4 linebackers and Burnett obviously is not that.

At this point Carp is more of a dissappointment to me than Burnett however..

 

[CoCo]

People like to claim that the 3-4 calls for linebacker depth but I personally don't think teams can have the luxury of 1st round or early 2nd rounder's providing that depth.

I was thinking those backups would be secured with mid-late round picks or street free agents.

Then again, drafting is not an exact science even amongst people who are very good at it.

 

[blindzebra]

Yea the pick of Burnett confused me from day one. Parcells likes these big 3-4 linebackers and Burnett obviously is not that.

At this point Carp is more of a dissappointment to me than Burnett however..

And that is because?

Burnett is nearly as high a pick, has been here longer, has done much less...care to explain?

 

[THUMPER]

Which one is playing better right now? Burnett is.

I don't believe either guy is a bust, but certainly more was/is expected from Carpenter based on where he was drafted than from Burnett.

I think most people (or maybe it was just me) felt that spending a high pick on a LB who wasn't a big time playmaker was a wasted pick. I personally wanted Manny Lawson if we were going to go with a LB as he was a passrusher, whereas Carpenter was considered more of an all-around LB, not great at any one thing, but good at everything. IMO you take guys like that in the 2nd round, like we did with Burnett who also fits that description to some degree.

Personally, I felt that we needed help at OL more than LB and was hoping for OTs Winston Justice or Marcus McNeil or even C Nick Mangold or OG Deuce Lutui. I didn't see LB as a weakness that needed to be addressed and I certainly didn't see Carpenter as the best available LB let alone the best available player.

To me he isn't a bust but the draft pick was.

Justice hasn't played yet but then the Eagles have a very good O-Line. McNeil was in the pro-bowl last year and would have been a great pickup for us. At the time I didn't know how well Columbo would play so McNeil might not have played last year anyway but we spent 2 picks in this year's draft on OTs so it wouldn't have been a wasted pick.

Mangold was considered the best C in the draft and again, no one was sure how well Gurode would play last season. Lutui at least started 9 games last year for the Cards and we could have really used help at OG as it turned out with Rivera struggling all season.

Anyway, the draft is always a gamble. I would have taken Justice ahead of McNeil which seems like it would have been a big mistake. Lawson didn't have a great season with the Niners so maybe he would have been more of a bust than Carpenter. My point was that I wouldn't have gone with a LB at all as I didn't see it as a need last year.

Carpenter looks like he may turn out to be a good player but I don't think he will be a difference maker. Still, he could surprise everyone and come out strong in Wade's defense.

 

[AtlCB]

Here's our 2005 draft:

1 11 DeMarcus Ware OLB Troy State

1 20 Marcus Spears DE Louisiana State

2 42 Kevin Burnett LB Tennessee

4 109 Marion Barber RB Minnesota

4 132 Chris Canty DE Virginia

6 208 Justin Beriault DB Ball State

6 209 Rob Petitti T Pittsburgh

7 224 Jay Ratliff DE Auburn


Ware, Spears and Canty are starters.

Many feel Barber should be.

Ratliff is a valuable player at DE, NT and nickel DL.

I mean here is a guy nearly a first rounder, in his 3rd year and all he is is a nickel LB, who has barely seen the field.

I find it amusing the amount of hypocrisy being shown...let the Carpenter agendas begin.

Where is the hypocrisy?

 

[theogt]

Which one is playing better right now? Burnett is.

That's really just a personal opinion, that I don't think everyone here would agree with.

 

[THUMPER]

Burnett is nearly as high a pick, has been here longer, has done much less...care to explain?

There is a world of difference between the #18 (Carpenter) pick and the #42 (Burnett). They are NEARLY a round apart (#42 was the 10th pick in the 2nd round).

If you don't think so, then take a look at the value difference: 900 for #18, 480 for #42, NEARLY double.

 

[THUMPER]

That's really just a personal opinion, that I don't think everyone here would agree with.

They must not have watched the Broncos game then, because Burnett was a stud!

 

[Chocolate Lab]

There is a world of difference between the #18 (Carpenter) pick and the #42 (Burnett). They are NEARLY a round apart (#42 was the 10th pick in the 2nd round).

If you don't think so, then take a look at the value difference: 900 for #18, 480 for #42, NEARLY double.

Yep, that's what I was going to say.

Right or wrong, people perceive there to be a big difference between a first rounder (who is also your first draft pick of that draft) and a second rounder.

 

[theogt]

They must not have watched the Broncos game then, because Burnett was a stud!

I watched it. Several times. I wasn't as excited about his play as some here. It was fine play, but I'm not sure it was any better than Carpenter necessarily.