Bush May Lose Heisman

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Bush case break?
td.yspwidearticlebody { font-size: 13.5px; }By Charles Robinson and Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
October 9, 2007 The NCAA appears to be on the verge of a major breakthrough in its investigation of Heisman Trophy-winning running back Reggie Bush.
Two sources have told Yahoo! Sports that Lloyd Lake, one of the financiers of failed marketing company New Era Sports & Entertainment, has agreed to meet with NCAA investigators and turn over financial records and other evidence that would tie Bush and his family to nearly $280,000 in extra benefits allegedly taken during Bush's days at USC. Lake – one of two New Era financiers who allegedly delivered cash payments and other benefits to Bush and his family – is preparing to file suit against Bush and his family later this month.
Sources said that Lake's meeting with the NCAA could include discussion of Bush's relationship with New Era Sports – from financial records and receipts to how and when payments were made – and information about other parties who might have had financial involvement with the running back and his family. Such revelations would likely allow the NCAA's slowed investigation to move forward.
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Lake and Bush sat before a mediator in June and attempted to hammer out a settlement, sources said, but that effort apparently was unsuccessful. Lake's legal representation declined to confirm that meeting and also refused to discuss the potential for their client to appear before the NCAA.
"We do not want to discuss the matter," Lake's attorney, Brian Watkins, said.
Calls to Bush's attorney, David Cornwell, were not immediately returned.
Cornwell said in January that he and his clients no longer would be taking part in the "media frenzy" surrounding the running back.
NCAA officials declined to comment on the matter but encouraged anyone with knowledge of the situation to come forward.
Taped conversations between Lake, Bush, Bush's stepfather LaMar Griffin and others starting in December 2005 now could be examined as evidence by the NCAA. Sources have told Yahoo! Sports that those tapes provide proof of a financial relationship between the New Era financiers and Bush's family during his days at USC. The tapes could pave the way for significant penalties for USC and ultimately could lead to Bush losing the Heisman Trophy he won in 2005 when he led USC to the national championship game against Texas.
The conversations also could prove Bush's family started taking money from Michaels and Lake during the 2004 season, when USC went undefeated and won the national championship in a rout of Oklahoma.
Pressure has been growing on the NCAA for months and came to a head recently when the organization struck Oklahoma with multiple penalties stemming from a scandal uncovered before the 2006 season. Oklahoma President David Boren recently praised his school's efforts to clean up its issues and compared it favorably with the lack of fact-finding in the USC case.
Two sources told Yahoo! Sports that attorneys for Lake and Bush have not spoken since the failed settlement attempt in June. However, according to four sources, Bush angered both Lake and Michaels by accusing them of extortion in a recent interview aired Sept. 13 on ESPN's "Outside The Lines."
In that interview, Bush said of the NCAA investigation and his family's alleged impropriety: "For me, I look at it as – and my family looks at it as – extortion. Because these were guys we'd known our whole lives … when I was a freshman in high school, they weren't asking for money. When I was getting older, and then all of the sudden my year with the possibility of me coming out, all this stuff comes out."
According to a source at ESPN, that segment aired despite a threat from Bush's camp that the running back would halt future cooperation with the network if the interview was not pulled.
Sources told Yahoo! Sports following the segment that Bush might have violated his confidentiality clause with Michaels by directing claims of extortion at the New Era financiers. The FBI briefly investigated claims of extortion from Bush's attorney, including interviewing several of Lake's family members and acquaintances before a federal grand jury. After the depositions, a federal source told Yahoo! Sports that the FBI would not be pursuing the extortion claims.
Bush's family allegedly received rent-free living for a year in a home in Spring Valley, Calif. Both Michaels and Lake have claimed the family owes approximately $50,000 in rent on the $757,000 home. Sources also detailed for Yahoo! Sports a litany of cash payments and other benefits allegedly given to the family. Such payments eventually are expected to be revealed during the course of Lake's lawsuit.
Bush, whose family had lived in an apartment before moving into the Spring Valley home, claimed his parents simply "got behind" on rent during his interview with "Outside The Lines."
"It was basically, you know, just my parents, you know, renting a house from a friend of ours, and they got behind on some rent, you know, a couple of months on some rent," Bush said on the segment. "And all of the sudden it's like the media blew up this whole thing – 'Oh, they were living in this house rent free' – which wasn't the case. We rented a house and just like any other family, you know, you get behind on bills. You don't have money; my family isn't rich. We didn't have a lot of money.
"So my parents struggled to pay bills here and there, one of those being rent. I think just like any normal average family, you struggle to pay bills sometimes, and that's all it was. And the media kind of blew it out to kind of make it seem like we were living in this nice gorgeous house – which I never lived there – living in this nice gorgeous house rent free, and it wasn't anything like that."
Watkins and Michaels' attorney, Jordan Cohen, told Yahoo! Sports the family never paid any rent and subsequently was evicted from the home in April 2006.
 

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I'm torn on this one. Yeah, he broke the rules, but everyone does it. Two wrongs don't make a right, but someone offers you some money, you're going to take it. especially for your family.

But then again, my hatred for USC is so strong, I"d like them to get the SMU death penalty. Then again, they just got beat by Stanford, isn't that punishment enough?

On the other hand Reggie has been a bust in the NFL, so he was smart to take his money in college.

I guess what I'm saying is I've been drinking heavily tonight, and I'm not sure what should be done.

Although I'm pretty sure if someone offered me money, I'd take it.
 

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Would that mean the award would go to the runnerup??

Vince Young shoulda won it in the first place... :bow:
 

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Vince >>>>>>> Reggie

he should have won the heisman anyway, it would just rectify a mistake
 

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CowboyWay;1700414 said:
I'm torn on this one. Yeah, he broke the rules, but everyone does it.

Really? How do you know this?

Do you have a PI watching every college athlete in america?
 

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Dude, don't be naive. My two best freinds both played college ball at different programs, and neither of them were all americans.

They'd come back from practice, open thier lockers and there's a couple hundred dollar bills just sitting there. This happened all the time. I have a bunch of other stories like this from them too. Don't for a second think that these kids aren't getting some cash on the side.

It may not be reggie bush dollars, but taking money is taking money.
 

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silverbear;1700439 said:
Would that mean the award would go to the runnerup??

Vince Young shoulda won it in the first place... :bow:


I agree. To me, this is simply a matter of setting thing right but hey, I'm a Horns fan so maybe I'm not the most objective guy in the world on this.

;)
 

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Only thing that bothers me is bush is just out and out lying. I mean he says his family is not rich but how the hell are you going to rent out a 750k home. the rent has to be something like 4k a month. If you can afford that kind of rent you don't just get behind on bills....unless you are tryng to keep up with the joneses or are getting a benifit because you son is going to sign with that management company.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1701131 said:
I agree. To me, this is simply a matter of setting thing right but hey, I'm a Horns fan so maybe I'm not the most objective guy in the world on this.

;)

My objectivity is shaky on this one, too... LOL...
 

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ABQCOWBOY;1701131 said:
I agree. To me, this is simply a matter of setting thing right but hey, I'm a Horns fan so maybe I'm not the most objective guy in the world on this.

;)

That's in the past. He won the one that matters.
 

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CowboyWay;1701077 said:
Dude, don't be naive. My two best freinds both played college ball at different programs, and neither of them were all americans.

They'd come back from practice, open thier lockers and there's a couple hundred dollar bills just sitting there. This happened all the time. I have a bunch of other stories like this from them too. Don't for a second think that these kids aren't getting some cash on the side.

It may not be reggie bush dollars, but taking money is taking money.

It does happen quite a bit. Not every where and not to the extent of what Bush got. He got caught. That is the biggest difference. Once you get caught, you should be punished.

The Heisman doe not need to go to Vince, but there is some justice in Bush having to give it back. USC also needs to suffer some penalty.
 

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joseephuss;1701312 said:
It does happen quite a bit. Not every where and not to the extent of what Bush got. He got caught. That is the biggest difference. Once you get caught, you should be punished.

The Heisman doe not need to go to Vince, but there is some justice in Bush having to give it back. USC also needs to suffer some penalty.

I think its alot more prevelant than anyone believes. Obviously not to the extent of what bush got, I agree there, but that was from an outside source. I'm talking about the school/coaches giving the kids money from boosters.

One of my buddies that played (not saying where, but a big 12 school) that all you'd have to do is go up to your particular position coach and say "hey coach, I'd like to go home and see my family this week, and they'd say "oh thats nice, run along now"....then the next day after practice, they'd open up there locker and find $100 bills stuffed in your pants pocket. Things like that.

Also, many of these kids are very poor, yet the school asks them to buy suits, ties, shoe's, the whole nine yards to show up to events and travel and whatnot. Where do you think they get the money for those suits? Cause the parents of the kids sure don't have it.

I'm just saying it goes on ALOT, and I get this info from a couple of guys I know who have played, thats all.
 

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CowboyWay;1701632 said:
I think its alot more prevelant than anyone believes. Obviously not to the extent of what bush got, I agree there, but that was from an outside source. I'm talking about the school/coaches giving the kids money from boosters.

One of my buddies that played (not saying where, but a big 12 school) that all you'd have to do is go up to your particular position coach and say "hey coach, I'd like to go home and see my family this week, and they'd say "oh thats nice, run along now"....then the next day after practice, they'd open up there locker and find $100 bills stuffed in your pants pocket. Things like that.

Also, many of these kids are very poor, yet the school asks them to buy suits, ties, shoe's, the whole nine yards to show up to events and travel and whatnot. Where do you think they get the money for those suits? Cause the parents of the kids sure don't have it.

I'm just saying it goes on ALOT, and I get this info from a couple of guys I know who have played, thats all.

I don't doubt that at all. I think most of it is viewed as acceptable even though it is against the rules. Everyone will turn a blind eye to those small cases knowing it is part of the system.

Now when someone goes beyond that and brings attentions to themselves, that is when the problems occur. Bush, Maurice Clarett and Rhett Bomar probably took it too far. They flaunted it. What is the saying? There is honor amongst thieves. The same kind of principle can hold for NCAA athletes. You can get away with this much, but don't push it to a point where you make everyone look bad.
 

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I am just hoping this cuts down on all the Reggie Bush Superstar H.O.F. running back type commercials that I have to watch.

I mean come on...he hasnt done squat.
 

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joseephuss;1701655 said:
I don't doubt that at all. I think most of it is viewed as acceptable even though it is against the rules. Everyone will turn a blind eye to those small cases knowing it is part of the system.

Now when someone goes beyond that and brings attentions to themselves, that is when the problems occur. Bush, Maurice Clarett and Rhett Bomar probably took it too far. They flaunted it. What is the saying? There is honor amongst thieves. The same kind of principle can hold for NCAA athletes. You can get away with this much, but don't push it to a point where you make everyone look bad.

Agreed.

Remember Bosworth? As soon as he graduates, he writes a book about how much OU "gave" him.

Idiot. Keep your mouth shut and move on.
 

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CowboyWay;1701077 said:
Dude, don't be naive. My two best freinds both played college ball at different programs, and neither of them were all americans.

They'd come back from practice, open thier lockers and there's a couple hundred dollar bills just sitting there. This happened all the time. I have a bunch of other stories like this from them too. Don't for a second think that these kids aren't getting some cash on the side.

It may not be reggie bush dollars, but taking money is taking money.

:lmao2:

Biggest. Load. Of. Crap. Ever.


Yes it happens, but it doesn't happen nearly as much as you're implying.
 

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Heisman = Madden Cover

Huge Curse and Albatross around a player's neck.

I am very bitter that Vince didn't win. However, because he was slighted, it gave him extra incentive in the Rose Bowl and he got something more valuable.....a National Championship and Rose Bowl MVP. Besides, I haven't seen a Heisman winner do anything worthwhile since Barry Sanders won it....although Eddie George had a good career and Carson Palmer is having a good career

Then in the draft, Reggie was picked ahead of Vince......Vince went out and won Offensive Rookie of the Year and made the Pro Bowl.

So Reggie can keep that cursed Heisman......Young doesn't need that negative Mojo....he is currently trying to stave off the Curse of Madden...ever since being on the cover, he has been suspended from a preseason game, had a bad fumble at the end of the Colts game right after his WR dropped a gimme pass, and then last week the Titans won in spite of Vince......You can call it a sophmore slump, but I call it the Curse of Madden. Still, the Titans are doing well even though their star is cursed. Maybe Vince can be either the first or one of the very few to ever defeat the curse.

BTW, Madden better never, ever, put a Cowboy on the cover. Personally, I believe they should put McNabb again, along with Eli, Campbell, and Brady........:laugh2:
 

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Biggems;1702015 said:
Heisman = Madden Cover

Huge Curse and Albatross around a player's neck.

I am very bitter that Vince didn't win. However, because he was slighted, it gave him extra incentive in the Rose Bowl and he got something more valuable.....a National Championship and Rose Bowl MVP. Besides, I haven't seen a Heisman winner do anything worthwhile since Barry Sanders won it....although Eddie George had a good career and Carson Palmer is having a good career

Then in the draft, Reggie was picked ahead of Vince......Vince went out and won Offensive Rookie of the Year and made the Pro Bowl.

So Reggie can keep that cursed Heisman......Young doesn't need that negative Mojo....he is currently trying to stave off the Curse of Madden...ever since being on the cover, he has been suspended from a preseason game, had a bad fumble at the end of the Colts game right after his WR dropped a gimme pass, and then last week the Titans won in spite of Vince......You can call it a sophmore slump, but I call it the Curse of Madden. Still, the Titans are doing well even though their star is cursed. Maybe Vince can be either the first or one of the very few to ever defeat the curse.

BTW, Madden better never, ever, put a Cowboy on the cover. Personally, I believe they should put McNabb again, along with Eli, Campbell, and Brady........:laugh2:

Vince Young did not have a bad fumble at the end of the Colts game. It was 4th down and he was in a bad spot. They blitzed and had him surrounded. There were no receivers open and he had to try and do something. Instead of just going down and being tackled, he tried to lateral it to a lineman. The Colts had essentially already stopped the play, so lateraling the ball to his teammate hurt nothing. Other than that, you are right he has struggled somewhat.
 

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Rack;1701973 said:
:lmao2:

Biggest. Load. Of. Crap. Ever.


Yes it happens, but it doesn't happen nearly as much as you're implying.

It must be true what they say. Ignorance IS bliss.

I wished I lived in your world.
 
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