Buying a championship?

[DasTex]

(I wrote this in the article zone - under the Marshall Faulk Q&A - just wanted to put in here to get your thoughts)

Ok, I have a problem with saying we're like the Yankee's with trying to buy a championship.

Romo - FA - developed
Barber - Draft
Felix - Draft
Choice - Draft
Witten - Draft
Crayton - Draft
Flozell - Draft
Gurode - Draft

So that leaves - TO, Williams, Koiser, Davis, and Columbo as FA or trades

Koiser - have no problems with him and has shown to be the glue to OL
MC - basically took a flyer on a talented guy with history of inj. and developed

TO, Roy and Davis - the 3 that qualify

Defense

Spears - draft
Canty - draft
Ratliff - draft
James - draft
Ware - draft
Ellis - draft
Burnett - draft
Tnew - Draft
RW - draft
Jenkins - draft
Scandrick - draft

So that leaves Henry, Hamlin, Pacman, and Thomas as FA or trades

Henry - was a postion of need, has been here awhile
Hamlin - had injury concerns, took 1 year flyer on him - ended up signing to long term, but def. not a Yankee type sign

So over all

TO
Roy Williams
Pacman
Zach Thomas
Leonard Davis

5 starters (actually 4 if you don't include Pac) out of 24 (includes punter and kicker) that were "buying a championship" type moves. Sorry, every team in the league has these...we're no more the Yankees than any other team in the league.

The only reason that the "Yankee" term is used is because of the media exposure. Everyone becomes high profile type players due to the amount of attention the Cowboys Star creates.

Jerry's main fault is he is too loyal to his players, not that he tries to buy a championship.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

I agree! I know JJ has the stigma of being a Steinbrenner-type owner but this team (as you've shown) has been built mostly through the draft. Jones has spent most of his money in-house on potential free agents rather than reaching out and picking up any and every big-name player that's been available...

 

[HanD]

it's a convenient argument for fans of our rivals without doing any research. i had the same list for an eagles co-worker who was spouting off after week 17.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

it's a convenient argument for fans of our rivals without doing any research.

Exactly.

There's a hard salary cap in the NFL. You can't "buy a championship".

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Why hasn't the same media accused the Patriots of being wrong for trying to buy a championship when they got Randy Moss? And by the way, that seems to NOT have paid of for them, which should be all the more reason they should get criticised for this, yet they don't. Funny how subjective the media can be.

 

[Shinywalrus]

The Cowboys are by far the most popular team, and accordingly the media give greater attention to the various personnel moves the team makes. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that. They're giving their consumers what they want.

The "analysts", however, are the problem. With the major sports news providers, these NFL analysts so blatantly cross the line from news to analysis and back again fifteen times within a single sentence, giving them license to push either agendas or misinterpret the prevalence of news about a certain team into analyses spun as news...which are then regurgitated by other analysts as news to support their own analyses.

It's just a cycle, and it has everything to do with the team's popularity. No getting around it.

 

[BlueStar22]

I tell people all the time who say Jerry is trying to buy a champion ship to do their research because most of the time, we're resigning OUR OWN FREAKING GUYS!

 

[Venger]

(I wrote this in the article zone - under the Marshall Faulk Q&A - just wanted to put in here to get your thoughts)

Ok, I have a problem with saying we're like the Yankee's with trying to buy a championship.

You should have a problem with it because the statement itself is stupid. The Cowboys play under the same financial rules everyone else does - they can no more buy a championship than Green Bay. Whereas the Yankees have a $200 MILLION dollar payroll, with the nearest competitor under $140 million. That's almost a 50% premium over the next nearest team, and over 400% more than teams like Pittsburgh and Oakland.

Spending vastly more than other teams is trying to buy a championship. Spending the same amount as everyone else is not.

 

[Hostile]

(I wrote this in the article zone - under the Marshall Faulk Q&A - just wanted to put in here to get your thoughts)

Ok, I have a problem with saying we're like the Yankee's with trying to buy a championship.

Romo - FA - developed
Barber - Draft
Felix - Draft
Choice - Draft
Witten - Draft
Crayton - Draft
Flozell - Draft
Gurode - Draft

So that leaves - TO, Williams, Koiser, Davis, and Columbo as FA or trades

Koiser - have no problems with him and has shown to be the glue to OL
MC - basically took a flyer on a talented guy with history of inj. and developed

TO, Roy and Davis - the 3 that qualify

Defense

Spears - draft
Canty - draft
Ratliff - draft
James - draft
Ware - draft
Ellis - draft
Burnett - draft
Tnew - Draft
RW - draft
Jenkins - draft
Scandrick - draft

So that leaves Henry, Hamlin, Pacman, and Thomas as FA or trades

Henry - was a postion of need, has been here awhile
Hamlin - had injury concerns, took 1 year flyer on him - ended up signing to long term, but def. not a Yankee type sign

So over all

TO
Roy Williams
Pacman
Zach Thomas
Leonard Davis

5 starters (actually 4 if you don't include Pac) out of 24 (includes punter and kicker) that were "buying a championship" type moves. Sorry, every team in the league has these...we're no more the Yankees than any other team in the league.

The only reason that the "Yankee" term is used is because of the media exposure. Everyone becomes high profile type players due to the amount of attention the Cowboys Star creates.

Jerry's main fault is he is too loyal to his players, not that he tries to buy a championship.

Post of the day.

That was just what I needed today.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Post of the day.

That was just what I needed today.

not even close

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143237

 

[DasTex]

not even close

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143237

Darn, thought I had it

 

[AdamJT13]

So over all

TO
Roy Williams
Pacman
Zach Thomas
Leonard Davis

5 starters (actually 4 if you don't include Pac) out of 24 (includes punter and kicker) that were "buying a championship" type moves.

Two of those were trades, so I wouldn't count them. Theoretically, you're giving up equal value for what you're getting.

And Thomas was a cheap contract for an older veteran. I wouldn't count that, either.

That leaves Owens and Davis, the only two big-money free agents we've signed in the past few years. Two.

 

[Batman]

(I wrote this in the article zone - under the Marshall Faulk Q&A - just wanted to put in here to get your thoughts)

Ok, I have a problem with saying we're like the Yankee's with trying to buy a championship.

Romo - FA - developed
Barber - Draft
Felix - Draft
Choice - Draft
Witten - Draft
Crayton - Draft
Flozell - Draft
Gurode - Draft

So that leaves - TO, Williams, Koiser, Davis, and Columbo as FA or trades

Koiser - have no problems with him and has shown to be the glue to OL
MC - basically took a flyer on a talented guy with history of inj. and developed

TO, Roy and Davis - the 3 that qualify

Defense

Spears - draft
Canty - draft
Ratliff - draft
James - draft
Ware - draft
Ellis - draft
Burnett - draft
Tnew - Draft
RW - draft
Jenkins - draft
Scandrick - draft

So that leaves Henry, Hamlin, Pacman, and Thomas as FA or trades

Henry - was a postion of need, has been here awhile
Hamlin - had injury concerns, took 1 year flyer on him - ended up signing to long term, but def. not a Yankee type sign

So over all

TO
Roy Williams
Pacman
Zach Thomas
Leonard Davis

5 starters (actually 4 if you don't include Pac) out of 24 (includes punter and kicker) that were "buying a championship" type moves. Sorry, every team in the league has these...we're no more the Yankees than any other team in the league.

The only reason that the "Yankee" term is used is because of the media exposure. Everyone becomes high profile type players due to the amount of attention the Cowboys Star creates.

Jerry's main fault is he is too loyal to his players, not that he tries to buy a championship.

What does it matter. The difference is, the Yanks know how to buy off a championship when they get the talent. Jerry Jones is too much of an idiot and egomaniac that even when we do have the talent we come nowhere even remotely close to winning a Championship.

Yes, one can say the Yanks have bought off Championships, but the players still had to play the games and win the games. Good coaching and GOOD OWNERSHIP still are very important in winning it. The Yanks while they loaded up with talent also won because of coaching and smart ownership. The Cowboys have been loaded with talent and are perfect example of what a joke for a coach, and when you have an imbecile for a GM and Owner, that no matter how much talent you have, your team is nothing more than a tease.

 

[Hostile]

not even close

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143237

Thank you. That was a great read.

 

[HanD]

What does it matter. The difference is, the Yanks know how to buy off a championship when they get the talent.

so the yanks haven't had talent in 8 seasons i guess.....

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Ok, I have a problem with saying we're like the Yankee's with trying to buy a championship.

Its wrong but not for the reasons you state.

The Yankees won their 4 WS in 5 years before they BOUGHT the Superstar FA's.

Also... in the 80's when they BUYING the SUPERSTAR FA's they didnt win a single WS.

So while it is popular to say it... its simply not true. The Yankees dont buy WS.... they pay for it... but they never get it. lol

 

[dozin_theknick]

(I wrote this in the article zone - under the Marshall Faulk Q&A - just wanted to put in here to get your thoughts)

Ok, I have a problem with saying we're like the Yankee's with trying to buy a championship.

Romo - FA - developed
Barber - Draft
Felix - Draft
Choice - Draft
Witten - Draft
Crayton - Draft
Flozell - Draft
Gurode - Draft

So that leaves - TO, Williams, Koiser, Davis, and Columbo as FA or trades

Koiser - have no problems with him and has shown to be the glue to OL
MC - basically took a flyer on a talented guy with history of inj. and developed

TO, Roy and Davis - the 3 that qualify

Defense

Spears - draft
Canty - draft
Ratliff - draft
James - draft
Ware - draft
Ellis - draft
Burnett - draft
Tnew - Draft
RW - draft
Jenkins - draft
Scandrick - draft

So that leaves Henry, Hamlin, Pacman, and Thomas as FA or trades

Henry - was a postion of need, has been here awhile
Hamlin - had injury concerns, took 1 year flyer on him - ended up signing to long term, but def. not a Yankee type sign

So over all

TO
Roy Williams
Pacman
Zach Thomas
Leonard Davis

5 starters (actually 4 if you don't include Pac) out of 24 (includes punter and kicker) that were "buying a championship" type moves. Sorry, every team in the league has these...we're no more the Yankees than any other team in the league.

The only reason that the "Yankee" term is used is because of the media exposure. Everyone becomes high profile type players due to the amount of attention the Cowboys Star creates.

Jerry's main fault is he is too loyal to his players, not that he tries to buy a championship.

I wouldnt include RW11 because he came from a trade. "buying" a championship implies spending money on FA's. Trading for a player means you are giving up something rather than just throwing money around.

 

[RainMan]

I think the fact Jerry spent so much money this offseason is what fuels this perception. Granted, the vast majority of the money he spent was to retain players he drafted, which probably is just smart business, but it feeds the perception nonetheless.

But, to be fair, Jerry has handed out pretty big contracts to non-original-Dallas guys such as Owens, Hamlin, Leonard Davis and WR Roy Williams over the past two offseasons, not to mention also acquiring Zach Thomas (whose contract was reported to be like $20 million, even though it basically broke down to a one-year deal) and Pacman Jones.

Those are big, powerful names -- not to mention guys whom were paid fairly handsomely. And, as far as the Yankees' comparison goes, it's not like they overhaul their roster with 10 new starters every offseason. It's just that whenever they do make a move, it seems to be for a big-named guy who proceeds to become one of the game's highest paid players. And Owens, Davis, Hamlin and Roy Williams are, if I'm not mistaken, among the highest paid at their positions.

 

[RainMan]

I wouldnt include RW11 because he came from a trade. "buying" a championship implies spending money on FA's. Trading for a player means you are giving up something rather than just throwing money around.

But when you trade draft picks, and not a fellow big name, and proceed to give the guy you traded for nearly $50 million, it's going to feed the buying-a-championship craze.

Imagine the Yankees dealing for Albert Pujols before the trade deadline. You'd probably use that move, albeit a trade, in the argument that they're trying to buy a title.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

This list is inaccurate because you leave off the guys that DIDN’T work out or are no longer with the team. Jerry didn’t become Jerry last season and peoples perceptions expand longer than this current group of stars. Also, it is Jerrys “Bargains” that have cost the team alot more pain (example: Q Carter & too many to name).