By the numbers Top-50 QBs of All-Time

[THUMPER]

I have finally updated my QB Rating spreadsheet using my own statistical rating system that takes several factors into account including wins, losses, and leadership. It favors guys who won.

I'd like to factor in fumbles and fumbles lost but I don't have those stats for most of these guys. I would also like to factor in playoff wins and championships won but that would mean a lot more calculations, still I may add it in someday when I get the time.

I use a minimum of 15000 yards except in certain cases where a QB is still playing and is either close (Vick) or well on his way (Palmer).

The results are not necessarily reflective of which QB is better than another (although Graham is #1 in my opinion anyway) but shows the efficiency and success of each QB.

Here are the top-50 (there are 127 total):

1. OTTO GRAHAM
2. JOE MONTANA
3. TOM BRADY
4. ROGER STAUBACH
5. PEYTON MANNING
6. STEVE YOUNG
7. JOHN ELWAY
8 SID LUCKMAN
9. MARC BULGER
10. DONOVAN McNABB
11. KURT WARNER
12. BART STARR
13. BRETT FAVRE
14. DAN MARINO
15. JOHNNY UNITAS
16. JIM KELLY
17. DARYL LAMONICA
18 TROY AIKMAN
19. DANNY WHITE
20. JAKE DELHOMME
21. CARSON PALMER
22. TERRY BRADSHAW
23. STEVE McNAIR
24. LEN DAWSON
25. JIM McMAHON
26. JOE THEISMANN
27. BOB GRIESE
28. KENNY STABLER
29. PHIL SIMMS
30. FRANK RYAN
31. MATT HASSELBECK
32. RICH GANNON
33. RANDALL CUNNINGHAM
34. KEN ANDERSON
35. DREW BREES
36. NEIL O'DONNELL
37. BRAD JOHNSON
38, NORM VAN BROCKLIN
39. CHAD PENNINGTON
40. DAVE KRIEG
41. ELVIS GRBAC
42. FRAN TARKENTON
43. WARREN MOON
44. MARK RYPIEN
45. MARK BRUNELL
46. STAN HUMPHRIES
47. BRIAN GRIESE
48. TRENT GREEN
49. MILT PLUM
50. MICHAEL VICK

 

[Bob Sacamano]

47. BRIAN GRIESE
50. MICHAEL VICK

wow

no Bledstud?

 

[CATCH17]

17. DARYL LAMONICA
18 TROY AIKMAN

I have a real problem with that guy being ahead of Aikman.

 

[BlueDemon]

Danny White??

 

[THUMPER]

wow

no Bledstud?

Drew came in at #61. Sorry.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Drew came in at #61. Sorry.

not that I really care, but I thought his #s would make him a shoe-in for at least top-50

 

[Big Dakota]

can we PLEASE bury this ASAP????????????????????????????????????????:bang2:

 

[CATCH17]

Drew came in at #61. Sorry.

Man I hate to be an A hole cause I know you put a lot of time into this but that list is garbage from any way you look at it.

 

[tomson75]

Interesting, but anything that puts Marino at #14 and Aikman at #18.....I'd go back to the drawing board. IMO.

 

[THUMPER]

I have a real problem with that guy being ahead of Aikman.

His TD% is almost double that of Aikman's and he won over 71% of his games.

As I said, this is not about skill or ability but results.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Interesting, but anything that puts Marino at #14 and Aikman at #18.....I'd go back to the drawing board. IMO.

if efficiency and success is what this ranking is about, Troy should be up there, one of the most efficient and successful QBs in NFL history

 

[THUMPER]

Man I hate to be an A hole cause I know you put a lot of time into this but that list is garbage from any way you look at it.

It is based on results.

 

[Big Dakota]

His TD% is almost double that of Aikman's and he won over 71% of his games.

As I said, this is not about skill or ability but results.

OOOOOHHHHHH Jesus H Christ, Bulger at #9???????????????????????

 

[THUMPER]

if efficiency and success is what this ranking is about, Troy should be up there, one of the most efficient and successful QBs in NFL history

Not really. Troy was extremely accurate but his TD% is very low compared with other top QBs, mostly because he handed off to Emmitt when we got inside the 10.

His win% also went down near the end of his career as did his completion %.

 

[THUMPER]

OOOOOHHHHHH Jesus H Christ, Bulger at #9???????????????????????

I knew it would be someone like you who just wouldn't get it. Bulger has won a LOT of games and has been one of the highest rated QBs the last few years.

This is not subjective but statistical.

That "Whoosh" sound you heard was the point flying over your head.

Well, I'm off to bed. You folks can take potshots at the list while I am asleep.

 

[Big Dakota]

I knew it would be someone like you who just wouldn't get it. Bulger has won a LOT of games and has been one of the highest rated QBs the last few years.

This is not subjective but statistical.

That "Whoosh" sound you heard was the point flying over your head.

no, that was your wife

 

[THUMPER]

no, that was your wife

Ooh, you got me with that one.

 

[adamc91115]

i think i'm just going to ignore any list that has d. mcnabb as #10 all-time.

 

[burmafrd]

I think you need to weight WHICH games are won and lost. Playoff, championship games need to be double or triple the value of a regular season game. If you did that, these results would be more correct.
Also- a QB should be weighted negatively when his stats in playoff and championship games are WORSE then regular season games; conversely, if he does BETTER in playoff games that should be emphasized as well.

 

[Established1971]

I have finally updated my QB Rating spreadsheet using my own statistical rating system that takes several factors into account including wins, losses, and leadership. It favors guys who won.

I'd like to factor in fumbles and fumbles lost but I don't have those stats for most of these guys. I would also like to factor in playoff wins and championships won but that would mean a lot more calculations, still I may add it in someday when I get the time.

I use a minimum of 15000 yards except in certain cases where a QB is still playing and is either close (Vick) or well on his way (Palmer).

The results are not necessarily reflective of which QB is better than another (although Graham is #1 in my opinion anyway) but shows the efficiency and success of each QB.

Here are the top-50 (there are 127 total):


youre getting alot of criticism on this thread. Could you reveal your process more. Is it a purely mathmatical process? If so how do you quatify leadership? Is it a mix of stats plus your perceptions of things that dont have a stat?