Calculated Risk in rebuilding the team...

[Juke99]

....at some point, in the meetings at Teterboro airport, on Jerry's jet a few years back, Jerry and Bill had to discuss how the team should be rebuilt before deciding if they would be able to work together.

Unfortunately, there wasn't anyone there with a pointer stick who could whack them on the knuckles when the conversation went off kilter.

The risk of those two giys discussing rebuilding was quite apparent. Jerry has zero patience. Bill had next to zero time left. Both have massive egos.

The options were clear.. 1) rebuilding as Jerry did with Jimmy, ie, tearing things down to the ground and retooling the entire roster; 2) bringing in a ton of vets and going for the gold now; 3) a combination of both.

Oh if only I was there with the pointer stick.

Tearing things down and starting over would have been my choice...and my guess is that by doing so, we'd be further along in our development than we are now. But the combination of Jerry's lack of patience and Bill's lack of time "I'm too old to lose" and both massive egos, took this option off the table in short order, I'm sure. I can hear them conning themselves and eachother "We can win AND rebuild at the same time"

So, we went with a heavy does of options 2 and 3...But even at that, we didn't do so in a particularly constructive manner. Last season we went with option 2...this year we went with option 3...(which is also a Jerry hallmark, ie, not being able to make a plan and stick with it)

As Mr Miage said in the Karate Kid, "You either walk left side of road, or right side of road..you walk middle of road, you get squished like grape"

So, what's your take on this???

 

[CantonBound08]

Juke,

I think some of the veteran additions have been good, such as Anthony Henry, Terry Glenn, Keyshawn Johnson. My only concern is that for several of the positions we don't have youth behind them, or if we do have youth at the position (QB), we don't know anything about them.

 

[Zaxor]

....at some point, in the meetings at Teterboro airport, on Jerry's jet a few years back, Jerry and Bill had to discuss how the team should be rebuilt before deciding if they would be able to work together.

Unfortunately, there wasn't anyone there with a pointer stick who could whack them on the knuckles when the conversation went off kilter.

The risk of those two giys discussing rebuilding was quite apparent. Jerry has zero patience. Bill had next to zero time left. Both have massive egos.

The options were clear.. 1) rebuilding as Jerry did with Jimmy, ie, tearing things down to the ground and retooling the entire roster; 2) bringing in a ton of vets and going for the gold now; 3) a combination of both.

Oh if only I was there with the pointer stick.

Tearing things down and starting over would have been my choice...and my guess is that by doing so, we'd be further along in our development than we are now. But the combination of Jerry's lack of patience and Bill's lack of time "I'm too old to lose" and both massive egos, took this option off the table in short order, I'm sure. I can hear them conning themselves and eachother "We can win AND rebuild at the same time"

So, we went with a heavy does of options 2 and 3...But even at that, we didn't do so in a particularly constructive manner. Last season we went with option 2...this year we went with option 3...(which is also a Jerry hallmark, ie, not being able to make a plan and stick with it)

As Mr Miage said in the Karate Kid, "You either walk left side of road, or right side of road..you walk middle of road, you get squished like grape"

So, what's your take on this???

LOL you really want me to chime in on this...People already think I am such a hater that I eat little children for desert

I would have went option 1 as it really the best and most complete option...

and was very upset when in year 2 it was apparant we were not going to be doing that..

 

[Qwickdraw]

I don't walk along the road.

I drive a car.

 

[Juke99]

Juke,

I think some of the veteran additions have been good, such as Anthony Henry, Terry Glenn, Keyshawn Johnson. My only concern is that for several of the positions we don't have youth behind them, or if we do have youth at the position (QB), we don't know anything about them.

Good point. Henry is a young vet. I'm good with that.

I would have preferred that we stuck with Bryant and Galloway...I think those two area a better version of "long ball and possession" than Key and Glenn.

But I do think you make a point...we have not focused on our youth and where we do have some young guys, they haven't played enough....and there's that "middle of the road stuff" at work.

 

[Juke99]

LOL you really want me to chime in on this...People already think I am such a hater that I eat little children for desert

I would have went option 1 as it really the best and most complete option...

and was very upset when in year 2 it was apparant we were not going to be doing that..

Hey...you and I are in the same boat...I bailed on Parcells at the beginning of last season.

And yes, we always want to hear from you...even if you are the son of Satan.

 

[Juke99]

I don't walk along the road.

I drive a car.

Oh, a wise guy huh?

Well, next time you're out for a drive, please pick me up a bag of pretzels...I'm running low.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Its obvious its combination of both Juke, but not sure how much of that is Bill's idea vs Jerry's? Especially the re-treads that BP trusts. I don't think there is any doubt, Jerry wasn't in with idea of BP's guys as QBs.

It was obvious he didn't like Henson Pulled out in one half of a game in 2004. I think with Bledsoe, he is in with the Idea somewhat.

But bottom line, as Rick Gossilin of DMN said early in the season or before start of season, Dallas would fade at the end of year. I was one of those guys, who thought so too, but my reason was Bledsoe, Gossilin's reason was because of the starters Cowboys had on OFfense were over 30 crowd (as he calls it, most key positions on Offense). He said he did a study on that, and has come up with that theory, that when your key Skill positions are crowded with over 30s players, they tend to fade late in season.

Sure enough we did, not that I buy that theory completely, but it does make some sense. If status Quo, remains, on Offense, with Glenn/Keyshaun/Bledsoe, I think it will be the same result next year. I like Key, but, not sure how wise it is hang on to him as starting WR, without bringing in infuse of talent at WR. Clearly, Glenn somewhat faded at the end of year. Either way, there needs to be more concentration in Draft with Offense.

My theory, is with BP, is that, that might be one of the concerns for BP. How the heck is he going to get some talent on Offense, OL/WRs and possible QB? Although, from his statement at the begining of the year, he pretty much tied himself to Bledsoe, as in, he and Bledsoe will be tied together on their success or failure. So I don't see him making any moves on getting QB or giving the young ones any chance to compete.

 

[The Fonz]

U reading my mind juke great post...the safe and better choice would been one we had no great players to start with adding some old players will make it worse specially if u need more then one by the time the younger players ready then you have a problem replacing the older ones..it is a big mistake to do it the way BP and Jerry done it ( mybe it is BP way alone who knows) we will be always around 9-7 team for a while becouse of this.
BP's teams in the past non of them realy was that dominant. and the cowboys if things goes right will end up a good team but never great.

 

[Zaxor]

U reading my mind juke great post...the safe and better choice would been one we had no great players to start with adding some old players will make it worse specially if u need more then one by the time the younger players ready then you have a problem replacing the older ones..it is a big mistake to do it the way BP and Jerry done it ( mybe it is BP way alone who knows) we will be always around 9-7 team for a while becouse of this.
BP's teams in the past non of them realy was that dominant. and the cowboys if things goes right will end up a good team but never great.

I agree friend...

 

[Qwickdraw]

Oh, a wise guy huh?

Well, next time you're out for a drive, please pick me up a bag of pretzels...I'm running low.

Actually, there's message in my smartarse response.

You can choose to travel in the middle of the road if you do so in such a way that negates the dangers of walking.
Think about it...

 

[RCowboyFan]

Actually, there's message in my smartarse response.

You can choose to travel in the middle of the road if you do so in such a way that negates the dangers of walking.Think about it...

Yeah, unless a big Semi chose the same way as you with a car

 

[The30YardSlant]

Offensively, you have a point Juke. Defensively, we have the best young nucleus of any team in football.

Its hard to build a team with great young players on both sides of the ball these days.

 

[blindzebra]

I think you are actually giving them too much credit for even considering a plan.

We have gone from one contradiction to another for 3 seasons, honestly the plan has been just follow Parcells gut.

We evaluated and overachieved, we under reacted and crashed, we overreacted and did not make the playoffs.

It's all been let's see which way the wind blows and then react.

Parcells needs to commit himself to finishing the job or step down, NOW. The worst thing that can happen is another half-arsed season and then he quits and the next coach is left with a roster that might not fit their scheme, no younger QB in place and we start over again from scratch.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I agree about tearing it down and rebuilding from the bottom.

With Parcells on board we will always be competitive and what you would call a "good" team, because he is a very good coach and he will surround himself with reliable veterans, etc. He's done it everywhere he's been. A perfect example is when Jimmy dumped the old, slow vet named Everson Walls. Where did he end up? Walls was a good fit for that Giants team and he ended up winning a ring. But, he wasn't the type of player Jimmy wanted around anymore because Jimmy was interested in youth, speed and a total rebuild.

As Jimmy said upon leaving the Dolphins..."The biggest obstacle to being GREAT in this league is being GOOD." That is a good quote and says a lot about the two philosophies.

All that being said, Jimmy was in a much better position to blow the whole thing up and start from scratch in Dallas. Even Jimmy wasn't able to do that in Miami and perhaps he learned a valuable lesson.

But we can talk about philosohies all we want, in my mind it all comes down to ONE THING...THE QB! If we had a great young QB who was efficient, smart, strong-armed and made good, quick decisions most of our problems wouldn't seem so bad and that includes the OL. As Madden said the other night about Brady, "He makes up for a lot of injuries and a lot of weaknesses in other areas of your team."

 

[RCowboyFan]

I think you are actually giving them too much credit for even considering a plan.

We have gone from one contradiction to another for 3 seasons, honestly the plan has been just follow Parcells gut.

We evaluated and overachieved, we under reacted and crashed, we overreacted and did not make the playoffs.

It's all been let's see which way the wind blows and then react.

Parcells needs to commit himself to finishing the job or step down, NOW. The worst thing that can happen is another half-arsed season and then he quits and the next coach is left with a roster that might not fit their scheme, no younger QB in place and we start over again from scratch.

Well, I think thats what going to happen unfortunately, because I don't believe BP will quit now. And actually even if he leaves the QB and thereby Offense in limbo when he leaves, I don't think it is the right time for him to quit, since there are too many HC openings right now, to think, Cowboys would find the right one or find the best option.

Really thats my fear if BP leaves now. Its really unfinished business on both sides of the team right now, i.e. Defense and Offense.

 

[blindzebra]

Well, I think thats what going to happen unfortunately, because I don't believe BP will quit now. And actually even if he leaves the QB and thereby Offense in limbo when he leaves, I don't think it is the right time for him to quit, since there are too many HC openings right now, to think, Cowboys would find the right one or find the best option.

Really thats my fear if BP leaves now. Its really unfinished business on both sides of the team right now, i.e. Defense and Offense.

I think it could be worse if he stays.

Imagine what will happen if he unloads Ellis and Glover, brings in more 3-4 fit players and then leaves. The next coach would either need to be a 3-4 coach or we are once again fitting square pegs into round holes and starting over. We will have more talent, but will it be the RIGHT talent?

On offense we will be left with no QB, and if the past two seasons mean anything, no freaking clue as to whether or not Henson or Romo can do the job.

Like it or not we are still a re-building team, and being one more year down the road, especially if that year is spent with a lame duck Parcells as coach, won't makes us farther down the road then we'd be with a new coach going into the offseason right now.

 

[Juke99]

I think it could be worse if he stays.

Imagine what will happen if he unloads Ellis and Glover, brings in more 3-4 fit players and then leaves. The next coach would either need to be a 3-4 coach or we are once again fitting square pegs into round holes and starting over. We will have more talent, but will it be the RIGHT talent?

On offense we will be left with no QB, and if the past two seasons mean anything, no freaking clue as to whether or not Henson or Romo can do the job.

Like it or not we are still a re-building team, and being one more year down the road, especially if that year is spent with a lame duck Parcells as coach, won't makes us farther down the road then we'd be with a new coach going into the offseason right now.

That's the biggest fear for me. That's the problem with an old coach not winning quickly...

If ya take a moment, it's kinda sad to think about the number of changes Jones has put this team through....there never seems to be a consistent game plan...and whether or not we are talking football...business...or any organization...there is very little chance for success if the leadership continually changes the operating plan.

I would have thought with Parcells here, that wouldn't happen...but it has...year one was status quo...year two was the Parcells Wiley Veterans Tour...year three was Kids and Their Parents...

I sure do wish we chose one course of action and stuck with it.

 

[TunaFan33]

....at some point, in the meetings at Teterboro airport, on Jerry's jet a few years back, Jerry and Bill had to discuss how the team should be rebuilt before deciding if they would be able to work together.

Unfortunately, there wasn't anyone there with a pointer stick who could whack them on the knuckles when the conversation went off kilter.

The risk of those two giys discussing rebuilding was quite apparent. Jerry has zero patience. Bill had next to zero time left. Both have massive egos.

The options were clear.. 1) rebuilding as Jerry did with Jimmy, ie, tearing things down to the ground and retooling the entire roster; 2) bringing in a ton of vets and going for the gold now; 3) a combination of both.

Oh if only I was there with the pointer stick.

Tearing things down and starting over would have been my choice...and my guess is that by doing so, we'd be further along in our development than we are now. But the combination of Jerry's lack of patience and Bill's lack of time "I'm too old to lose" and both massive egos, took this option off the table in short order, I'm sure. I can hear them conning themselves and eachother "We can win AND rebuild at the same time"

So, we went with a heavy does of options 2 and 3...But even at that, we didn't do so in a particularly constructive manner. Last season we went with option 2...this year we went with option 3...(which is also a Jerry hallmark, ie, not being able to make a plan and stick with it)

As Mr Miage said in the Karate Kid, "You either walk left side of road, or right side of road..you walk middle of road, you get squished like grape"

So, what's your take on this???

Yep-not that either vision is a BAD thing-but when you have TWO DIFFERENT visions colide like that, it spells disaster. Alot like mixing milk and pepsi.

 

[Trip]

Agree Juke. Great points.

Parcells personifies middle of the road, not only in the offensive personnel he has built the team with, but his entire offensive strategy has always been middle of the road.

If he stays, he should not be given the keys to the franchise as he's had the past 3 seasons. Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones and most importantly Jeff Ireland and his scouting staff should have the final say in free agency, draft, trades and all player acquisitions. A coach whose status is year to year, one that insists on bringing in 30 plus year old offensive players in free agency, regardless of the effects down the road, should not be given this power. He should come back to be the coach, while management gets his team younger. Of course Parcells would never go for this, so I feel it's time for a new coach to finish off what he started.