California Chrome triple crown?

[LatinMind]

Who thinks this horse will get it this yr? Hasnt happened in 36 yrs.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Would be neat to see happen.

Im pulling for it to happen.

 

[LatinMind]

Would be neat to see happen.

Im pulling for it to happen.

Lol seems like everybody i know is acting like they personally had a hand in chromes raising. ridiculous. He;s not even from here. His mother was from this area and chrome was born a couple yrs later i think

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Lol seems like everybody i know is acting like they personally had a hand in chromes raising. ridiculous. He;s not even from here. His mother was from this area and chrome was born a couple yrs later i think

If he wins they'll all have hand fed him when he was a colt.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Oh well . . . . . .

 

[LatinMind]

lol they blocked him inside and he was done. hahahaha

 

[DallasEast]

California Chrome's owner was interviewed after the race. He was pissed but I think he made a good point. Basically, he said that horses which accumulated enough points to enter the Kentucky Derby should be forced to race in the Derby. Those horses should not allowed to avoid the Derby or the Preakness in order to simply race in the Belmont. Doing so allows horses that haven't raced in the previous two races to be fresher for the Belmont. He flat out said the practice was cowardly.

I agree with him. I recorded the interview. Maybe I will upload it later on this evening.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

California Chrome's owner was interviewed after the race. He was pissed but I think he made a good point. Basically, he said that horses which accumulated enough points to enter the Kentucky Derby should be forced to race in the Derby. Those horses should not allowed to avoid the Derby or the Preakness in order to simply race in the Belmont. Doing so allows horses that haven't raced in the previous two races to be fresher for the Belmont. He flat out said the practice was cowardly.

I agree with him. I recorded the interview. Maybe I will upload it later on this evening.

Yea, he might get bashed for pissing and moaning, but his point is valid it seems. I don't know enough about horse racing to know why it is the way it is or what good reasons would support the current model.

 

[Risen Star]

California Chrome's owner was interviewed after the race. He was pissed but I think he made a good point. Basically, he said that horses which accumulated enough points to enter the Kentucky Derby should be forced to race in the Derby. Those horses should not allowed to avoid the Derby or the Preakness in order to simply race in the Belmont. Doing so allows horses that haven't raced in the previous two races to be fresher for the Belmont. He flat out said the practice was cowardly.

I agree with him. I recorded the interview. Maybe I will upload it later on this evening.

Every horse that's ever competed to win the triple crown has had to deal with fresh horses. That's what makes it so hard to do. If the triple crown was run like he suggests it'd be won practically every other year and lose it's meaning. To someone who follows horse racing, his comments came off as idiotic and a sore loser.

 

[Risen Star]

I was hoping he'd win but I didn't think that horse was all that great. I've seen far better not win it. I had the bomb who just got nipped at the wire and didn't have California Chrome in my trifecta.

 

[DallasEast]

Every horse that's ever competed to win the triple crown has had to deal with fresh horses. That's what makes it so hard to do. If the triple crown was run like he suggests it'd be won practically every other year and lose it's meaning. To someone who follows horse racing, his comments came off as idiotic and a sore loser.

It would be interesting to see the field of horses that competed in Triple Crown races before and after Affirmed won. Certainly, California Chrome's owner been around long enough to have witnessed both.

 

[Hoofbite]

Definitely sour grapes but there's part of me that agrees.

I don't follow racing so interesting points made by Risen.

The again there's a part of me that doesn't care. Not all horses are created equal in the first place. Deal with it, I guess.

And pardon me for taking a moment to laugh at the owner who had to get the rules changed so his horse could wear a breathing strip even though it's not performance enhancing and just "increases airflow".

Kinda bogus in my opinion because if for some reason a horse had restricted airflow relative to the rest of the field, being able to get adequate levels of oxygen would most certainly enhance that horses performance relative to racing without it. Even if the improvement brought the horse to being on par with the rest of the field, it's still performance enhancing.

Also, I thought part of the whole horse racing draw was because you're dealing with genetically superior animals. Is that not why there's so much money in breeding them? Isn't that the entire point of identifying superior specimens and racing them? Because you've got an advantage?

If you made it required that they race all races, what happens in the event of injury? Can't have a fresh horse coming in at the last second so I guess you race with a smaller field?

 

[DallasEast]

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[Rogah]

California Chrome's owner was interviewed after the race. He was pissed but I think he made a good point. Basically, he said that horses which accumulated enough points to enter the Kentucky Derby should be forced to race in the Derby. Those horses should not allowed to avoid the Derby or the Preakness in order to simply race in the Belmont. Doing so allows horses that haven't raced in the previous two races to be fresher for the Belmont. He flat out said the practice was cowardly.

I agree with him. I recorded the interview. Maybe I will upload it later on this evening.

While he was kinda being a sore loser, he's absolutely right.

I said it yesterday, I said it today, and I will say it tomorrow: There will never again be a Triple Crown Winner unless they change the format. I was in Reno today and made a tidy profit off that statement.

 

[Rogah]

Every horse that's ever competed to win the triple crown has had to deal with fresh horses. That's what makes it so hard to do. If the triple crown was run like he suggests it'd be won practically every other year and lose it's meaning. To someone who follows horse racing, his comments came off as idiotic and a sore loser.

If you followed horse racing, you would know that the Triple Crown today is not like the Triple Crown of the old days. Back then, any horse that showed up to the Belmont Stakes without running the KY Derby or Preakness was nothing more than an also-ran. Sure, it was rested, but it simply was not a top rated horse. You literally cannot find a horse with a 4.0 rating (or higher) that didn't run at least 1 of the first 2 legs of the Triple Crown. But today there were 2 horses, one with a 7 rating the other with an 8, who did not run either of the first 2 legs.

By an amazing coincidence, those 2 horses came in 1st and 2nd.

 

[Risen Star]

If you followed horse racing, you would know that the Triple Crown today is not like the Triple Crown of the old days. Back then, any horse that showed up to the Belmont Stakes without running the KY Derby or Preakness was nothing more than an also-ran. Sure, it was rested, but it simply was not a top rated horse. You literally cannot find a horse with a 4.0 rating (or higher) that didn't run at least 1 of the first 2 legs of the Triple Crown. But today there were 2 horses, one with a 7 rating the other with an 8, who did not run either of the first 2 legs.

By an amazing coincidence, those 2 horses came in 1st and 2nd.

There's no truth to what you just said and you also completely ignore the Derby runners who skip the Preakness to run the Belmont.

He was a sore loser. His horse got exposed and he couldn't handle it.

 

[burmafrd]

horse came up small as most do when running the Belmont. I do agree that the breeding for the last 20 years or so have emphasized speed over endurance where it used to be they tried to balance it out. Secretariat's breeding was absolutely calculated to do exactly what it did. That was how it used to be done.

 

[RS12]

I decided to wager on the race yesterday OTB. After doing some studying I decided not to bet on Cali chrome because if you won the bet you got 10 cents on the dollar, and if you lost it was all gone, just passed on him for value reasons. Placed 4 dollars across the board on Wicked Strong, Curlin, and Medal Count. Ended up with a net loss of $9.60. Personal observation books cleaned up, huge money bet by the public on Cali Chrome. Very few people cashing tickets after the race but a ton of people there.

 

[DFWJC]

Since the last Triple Crown winner 15 different horses have won the Belmont after skipping both the Kentucky Derby and Preakness.

Sour grapes or not, the owner has a point.

 

[Rogah]

There's no truth to what you just said and you also completely ignore the Derby runners who skip the Preakness to run the Belmont.

Excuse me, but my statement is absolutely, 100% factually correct. Here are the runners of the 1978 Belmont Stakes:

Affirmed - 9.31 Rating - Triple Crown Winner
Alydar - 8.90 Rating - Ran KY Derby and Preakness
Darby Creek Road - 6.24 Rating - Ran KY Derby
Judge Advocate - 3.39 Rating - 100% Rested
Noon Time Spender - 3.39 Rating - Ran Preakness

So like I said, the single "well rested" horse was nothing more than an also-ran with a 3.39 rating. But maybe 1978 was a fluke, so let's look at 1977:

Seattle Slew - 9.31 Rating - Triple Crown Winner
Run Dusty Run - 8.01 Rating - Ran KY Derby and Preakness
Sanhedrin - 5.06 Rating - Ran KY Derby
Mr. Red Wing - 3.39 Rating - 100% Rested
Iron Constitution - 6.05 Rating - Ran Preakness
Spirit Level - 3.73 Rating - 100% Rested
Sir Sir - 3.23 Rating - Ran KY Derby and Preakness
Make Amends - 3.73 Rating - 100% Rested

FACT: In the 2 most recent Triple Crown seasons, there is not a single well-rested horse with a rating of 4.0 or higher and there is not a single horse with a rating of 7.0 or higher that skipped the Preakness:

Compare that to yesterday's winners:

Tonalist - 8.31 Rating - 100% Rested
Commissioner - 7.35 Rating -100% Rested

SHORT VERSION: Back in the old days, the good horses ran all 3 legs. Any horses that were well-rested for the Belmont Stakes simply weren't that good. These days, great horses are being held out of the KY Derby and the Preakness to prepare exclusively for the Belmont Stakes. It has been 10 years since a horse than ran in the Preakness ended up winning Belmont Stakes.