Can there be change under parcells?

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with all this hoopla about parcells being able to transform a team into his mold clearly not working the way he wants. maybe him physically doesnt need to be changed, but his philosophy? maybe his approach to the game? clearly he loves the 3-4, but was that move really necessary? and is it necessary now? is that two TE set really what dallas need? wouldnt it be easier to just go out and sign or draft better OL? rather then keep less talented, or bring in cast offs like kosier, and fabini? for all this talk about drafting "leaders" from their college teams, does this dallas team look like it has an abundance of leadership? for all this coaching by committee supposedly bringing different aspects built to confuse opposing teams, did that really happen? parcells constant media interviews about his teams needing to focus, and get the job done. has any of that really happened in 4 yrs?

is parcells really the problem? or is it his refusal to adapt and trust his coaches?

can dallas switch back to a 4 man front? it probably can but will it? people see the prime candidates to come to dallas and play in a 3-4 are lamarr woodley and jarvis moss. but lets look at that.

woodley played in the 3-4 as a OLB, and he stunk it up. why? he couldnt get off blocks on the run. it wasnt until michigan switched back to a 4-3 that woodley even became a household name. same with alan branch. jarvis moss, might be a ware type, but with dallas drafting bobby carpenter and him playing the way he did, would it be smart to mess with something that isnt broke? i say hell no. let carpenter play the strong side. akin and james on the inside are tackling machines, but in coverage thats were both are costing dallas. it isnt just james, but akin isnt very good in coverage either. lets be real about something in akin. he's a strong side linebacker, always has been and always will be. can he get the job done in the middle. of course, but he still is going to give up plays because he's playing not to the his strengths but being forced to play in his weakness.

ferguson is a hog in the middle. but is dallas really doing him a diservice? can he be a probowl and all pro player with another DT next to him? i think he could. the guy gets constant double teams, and still sheds them and makes tackles, and gets occasional pressure. u think he wouldnt get some single matchups with ware next to him, and say spears or a kid like okoye next to him? or hell even jay ratliff. he has a motor that doesnt stop. i remember a player that started out just like him and then just blew up. anyody remember le'roi glover? ratliff is bigger, but he has the same tools. he's a bonafide passrushing DT.but parcells wants him to be a wall for a OLB .

the secondary is overpaid and overrated. thru fault mostly. bad coaching and parcells is said to be contemplating promoting that secondary coach to DC status? and "homer" fans are ok with this? talk about drinking the koolaid. there is only one reason i can come up with that parcells would do this, and thats because he can manipulate bowles. parcells plays headgames better then anybody in sports. but those games have cost dallas 2 very good coordinators. payton and zimmer. some dont like zimmer, i say bull. in 3 yrs playing the 4-3 as zimmer the Dc, dallas was 4th overall 18th, and 1st in the nfl as DC. in 2004 they played mostly 4-3 but does anybody remember who parcells let slip out of dallas instead of signing them and staying 4-3, to only justify his change to 3-4 the following yr? betrand berry, and antione winfield. who did parcells bring in? wiley, chad eaton, and tyrone williams.

lets get back to the secondary. henry, i just thinkg his body is starting to break down. he's had issues with his knees since his days in cleveland. and its starting to take over. he;s lost more then a step, its more like 2 or 3 steps in a short period of time. newman, he's fast but the guy looks like he has no instincts. he's a sprinter so he's basically a straight line sprinter. but the truth any wr in the league can catch a pass on a crossing route on him. because he doesnt change directions well. i think thats why he plays so far off the wr, so the wr actually makes his cut in front of newman and he has a angle to get to the ball. instead of having to react on the fly with a wr cutting on a slant. he still has the straight line to deflect the ball. thats why teams constantly get him with double move routes. things haven't changed with him, he still gets beat on double move routes when hes up on the wr. i think thats why this yr u rarely seen newman bump. watkins came on late in the yr and was actually a plus for the team. i can see him starting next yr, but the issue is roy. somethings gotta give with this guy. he either doesnt know his assignments, or he's just to fat and slow to get to the right spot. he's 15-17 yrs off theball and wr's always seem to be behind him in a cover 2. his tackling is non existent now. his apologists will say he's a probowler. i say "so what", he's a below average player right now. missing tackles, and his inability to cover a te or fb, i say shove that probowl.

now the biggest question, how does parcells fix it?
 

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I can't say that I disagree with anything you said. I'm hoping Henry had what we here feel is an off-year and with some rest his knee(s) will heal. Personally, I would like to switch to more of a 4-3 with Bradie in the middle and Akin and Carpenter on the outside and in the nickel, sub Burnett for Bradie and move Roy up to Akin's spot, bringing in Reeves, Glenn, or newly acquired DB help to take Roy's place in the Cover 2.
 

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why can't our guys just actually play the 3-4 the way its sposed to be played instead of the sloppy crap we ended the season with?
we had a top 5 defense the beginning of the season, and back then everyone was all up on us as a super bowl team. Our problems aren't with the scheme but on execution down the stretch. mentally our team should be more prepared next year.
 

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gollum;1324889 said:
I can't say that I disagree with anything you said. I'm hoping Henry had what we here feel is an off-year and with some rest his knee(s) will heal. Personally, I would like to switch to more of a 4-3 with Bradie in the middle and Akin and Carpenter on the outside and in the nickel, sub Burnett for Bradie and move Roy up to Akin's spot, bringing in Reeves, Glenn, or newly acquired DB help to take Roy's place in the Cover 2.

i dont know that roy can even play in a lb spot. u think they would have to call that something like a 4-2-5. burnett and carpenter would have to be the lb'ers. im not sure that wuld be smart.

i dont think henry's injury is as easy a fix as u think. he's been hurt for like 4 yrs already. u have to think its a chronic knee injury by now. either theres something that the training staff cant see or theres just something that isnt correctible.

i really dont care if parcells is back, i just wish he would get this solved by actions, instead of filling PC's with cliche's as excuses
 

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stealth;1324896 said:
why can't our guys just actually play the 3-4 the way its sposed to be played instead of the sloppy crap we ended the season with?
we had a top 5 defense the beginning of the season, and back then everyone was all up on us as a super bowl team. Our problems aren't with the scheme but on execution down the stretch. mentally our team should be more prepared next year.

well if u notice teams adjust to opposing teams, that find tendencieswith their defense. im sure u know by now, dallas doesnt do any of that. what they start off in september. they're still trying to make work in december
 

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LatinMind;1324922 said:
well if u notice teams adjust to opposing teams, that find tendencieswith their defense. im sure u know by now, dallas doesnt do any of that. what they start off in september. they're still trying to make work in december

zimmer=gone
 

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stealth;1324927 said:
zimmer=gone


All Zim's fault huh? Head coach had nothing to do with the defense...how convenient.

Funny how we fans are all so smart to realize that Zim sucks, but good ole BP had not a clue. BP had not a clue because his finger prints were all over it.
 

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gbrittain;1324992 said:
All Zim's fault huh? Head coach had nothing to do with the defense...how convenient.

Funny how we fans are all so smart to realize that Zim sucks, but good ole BP had not a clue. BP had not a clue because his finger prints were all over it.


bro parcells 3-4 have been top of the food chain every time. Ours is not, history would dictate it isn't parcells. You just wanna pretend the man doesn't know how to run a defense and blame it all on billy. Well I am not that guy, parcells in the past had dominating defenses and they were 3-4. You wanna blame him thats you own prejudice
 

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gbrittain;1324992 said:
All Zim's fault huh? Head coach had nothing to do with the defense...how convenient.

Funny how we fans are all so smart to realize that Zim sucks, but good ole BP had not a clue. BP had not a clue because his finger prints were all over it.
Or you could say that he gave Zimmer 2 years to figure the 3-4 defense out and let him go when he couldn't.
 

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stealth;1325059 said:
bro parcells 3-4 have been top of the food chain every time. Ours is not, history would dictate it isn't parcells. You just wanna pretend the man doesn't know how to run a defense and blame it all on billy. Well I am not that guy, parcells in the past had dominating defenses and they were 3-4. You wanna blame him thats you own prejudice

I accept your theory. Now just please tell me why Zim has been on board the last four years?

Why did BP not step in and take over if Zim was the downfall of our season?

In the end BP is responsible for his staff. Even if what you say is true it makes me all the more angry. Why did BP waste years on a guy that you the dude on the message board even knew sucked?

Why?

I will offer you a better theory. BP kept him on board because he was able to dictate what happened on the defense. Give me one other logical reason a guy like BP a defensive genius as you say let Zim a defensive boob have complete authority over our defense for four years? He did not is the answer.
 

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theogt;1325079 said:
Or you could say that he gave Zimmer 2 years to figure the 3-4 defense out and let him go when he couldn't.

i should have known this was going to be a parcells vs zimmer. i guess nobody wants to talk football. instead wants to make every thread a parcells and zimmer thing. i didnt know the dallas cowboys were all about parcells. but the players and what they need to do to fix it.

nobody seems to have an opinion on the future of dallas. rather parcells past accomplishments with other teams.
 

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stealth;1325059 said:
bro parcells 3-4 have been top of the food chain every time. Ours is not, history would dictate it isn't parcells. You just wanna pretend the man doesn't know how to run a defense and blame it all on billy. Well I am not that guy, parcells in the past had dominating defenses and they were 3-4. You wanna blame him thats you own prejudice

theogt;1325079 said:
Or you could say that he gave Zimmer 2 years to figure the 3-4 defense out and let him go when he couldn't.


Yeah, ok. First of all I have been reading Zim is a idiot the last seven years...not the last two.

BP would rather play a 40 year old QB than let a young gun get some experience, but he is perfectly ok letting a dude with no 3-4 experience do OJT and be in complete control of the defense? Yeah, ok. You buy that, but you are an easy sell I guess.
 

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gbrittain;1325097 said:
I accept your theory. Now just please tell me why Zim has been on board the last four years?

Why did BP not step in and take over if Zim was the downfall of our season?

In the end BP is responsible for his staff. Even if what you say is true it makes me all the more angry. Why did BP waste years on a guy that you the dude on the message board even knew sucked?

Why?

I will offer you a better theory. BP kept him on board because he was able to dictate what happened on the defense. Give me one other logical reason a guy like BP a defensive genius as you say let Zim a defensive boob have complete authority over our defense for four years? He did not is the answer.

jerry jones has his hands in all, bill is too old to argue and at a different time in his life than when he needed complete control, he didn't think zimmer was inept and hoped for the best. I really don't see parcells fingerpirints all over the defense though some believe it that way. if he was in control of the defense things woulda been better. Lets say bill made all the calls, zimmer did all the coaching, when bill says do x the team did y and its not what he expected to happen. If he tells zimmer what to do trusts him to do it then puts his finger int he play calling, but zimmer didn't coach it up right, is that on bill or zimmy?
 

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stealth;1325121 said:
jerry jones has his hands in all, bill is too old to argue and at a different time in his life than when he needed complete control, he didn't think zimmer was inept and hoped for the best. I really don't see parcells fingerpirints all over the defense though some believe it that way. if he was in control of the defense things woulda been better. Lets say bill made all the calls, zimmer did all the coaching, when bill says do x the team did y and its not what he expected to happen. If he tells zimmer what to do trusts him to do it then puts his finger int he play calling, but zimmer didn't coach it up right, is that on bill or zimmy?

do you really think zimmer had any control of the defense? or did parcells? lets see how much u really know about parcells, like u seem to think u do with your 100% blame of zimmer
 

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LatinMind;1325141 said:
do you really think zimmer had any control of the defense? or did parcells? lets see how much u really know about parcells, like u seem to think u do with your 100% blame of zimmer


100 percent blame?
you see what you wanna, parcells knew what zimmer was he trusted him and he got screwed. Thats just as much on parcells as on zimmer. Watch the defense next year, if I am wrong cool, I will admit it but if I am right will you admit it wasn't all on bill?
 

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now the biggest question, how does parcells fix it?

First, he has to realize it's broken. I doubt that he has reached that conclusion.
 

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100 percent blame?
you see what you wanna, parcells knew what zimmer was he trusted him and he got screwed. Thats just as much on parcells as on zimmer. Watch the defense next year, if I am wrong cool, I will admit it but if I am right will you admit it wasn't all on bill?

how can blame not be put on a person that has total control?

when the bulls lost was it not on michael jordan? i dont ever remember anybody ever saying it was john paxons fault. it was always jordans fault. it was his team. like its parcells team. the only difference jordan was willing to accept fault. parcells isnt
 

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stealth;1325121 said:
jerry jones has his hands in all, bill is too old to argue and at a different time in his life than when he needed complete control, he didn't think zimmer was inept and hoped for the best. I really don't see parcells fingerpirints all over the defense though some believe it that way. if he was in control of the defense things woulda been better. Lets say bill made all the calls, zimmer did all the coaching, when bill says do x the team did y and its not what he expected to happen. If he tells zimmer what to do trusts him to do it then puts his finger int he play calling, but zimmer didn't coach it up right, is that on bill or zimmy?

So it has come down to this in regards to BP. It is either Zimmers fault or Jones fault. Teflon coach, I see.

Let me guess who gets the credit for the good things Dallas has done the last few years?

If Dallas goes to the Super Bowl and wins it all next year, is it because of the new defensive coordinator and Jerry Jones?

I have never seen more excuses made for a coach than BP.

Campo had no GM authority. Minus some #1 picks (I believe...Galloway trade). Cap trouble. Plus obviously if the defensive or offensive coordinators stink the coach bares no responsiblity at all. So what you are saying is you were a big Campo fan? None of that crap was his fault.
 
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