Can we draft a starter?

[ABQCOWBOY]

At 22, what player might realistically slip or be available in that area of the draft that we can use a 1st rd pick on to start? Seriosly, what are the chances of that happening?

 

[theogt]

If we draft an OLB, he may in fact be the day 1 starter, due to Ellis's injury and potentially moving Carpenter inside. Other than that there would be a fierce competition at LG between a draftee and Kosier and at FS between a draftee and Watkins/Hamlin. Beyond those positions I don't think there's much of a chance except for injuries.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

^^^what he said

 

[CF74]

I'm wondering if Meachem is good enough to be our # 3 starting reciever, if not we need a stud at pass rusher..:starspin

 

[theogt]

I'm wondering if Meachem is good enough to be our # 3 starting reciever, if not we need a stud at pass rusher..:starspin

I wasn't counting 3rd WR as a starting position. If we're to include that position, then we should includ nickel CB, in which case I think a CB would probably start on day 1.

 

[tomson75]

Exactly, whether or not any of our rookies start this year is solely dependent on what position they play...i.e. ILB, OLB. Perhaps even at the CB, FS, FB, NT, and OG positions...depending on who we draft where.

Lots of variables here...

 

[dalboy]

At 22, what player might realistically slip or be available in that area of the draft that we can use a 1st rd pick on to start? Seriosly, what are the chances of that happening?

It all depends what happens with JJ and Glenn if we but him at safety.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I wasn't counting 3rd WR as a starting position. If we're to include that position, then we should includ nickel CB, in which case I think a CB would probably start on day 1.

teams use alot of 3-WR sets, so you almost have to include WR and CB in the discussion, your 3rd WR and 3rd CB play alot

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

OK, good feed back but the other part of this question is who will be available at 22 that can come in and be a starter at WR or ILB or maybe CB?

BTW, I don't believe that anybody we draft can come in and beat out Crayton or whomever is designated as 3 this year. Same with OLB and CB. Perhaps CB by the end of the year but not immediatly IMO. Who would be available at 22 who could come in and start?

 

[Verdict]

Exactly, whether or not any of our rookies start this year is solely dependent on what position they play...i.e. ILB, OLB. Perhaps even at the CB, FS, FB, NT, and OG positions...depending on who we draft where.

Lots of variables here...

Classic quote. Conan the Barbarian, right?

 

[Bizwah]

When Matt Millen was a commentator he said if your first round pick isn't starting, then you made the wrong choice.

Well....I won't touch on his record as GM.....

When you have a good team, then it's hard to start a rookie. Carpenter was a good pick. I think he'll be a good player. But Ellis was too valuable as a pass rusher for Carpenter to unseat him.

Right now, it would be hard to find a player that can unseat a starter...FS probably, LG, OLB....all these have been mentioned and I have to agree. I would also add DE to the list. I like the potential of Spears, Canty, and Hatcher, but none have really proven themselves. A guy like Carriker or even Anderson (if he were to fall) could possibly move in and challenge.

You never know where you'll need an emergency starter either. That's why I always will be for the BPA strategy of drafting.

 

[theogt]

OK, good feed back but the other part of this question is who will be available at 22 that can come in and be a starter at WR or ILB or maybe CB?

BTW, I don't believe that anybody we draft can come in and beat out Crayton or whomever is designated as 3 this year. Same with OLB and CB. Perhaps CB by the end of the year but not immediatly IMO. Who would be available at 22 who could come in and start?

Bowe, Meachem, or Jarrett would come and beat out Crayton for 3rd WR immediately.

Anthony Spencer would be good enough to force Carpenter inside.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

OK, good feed back but the other part of this question is who will be available at 22 that can come in and be a starter at WR or ILB or maybe CB?

BTW, I don't believe that anybody we draft can come in and beat out Crayton or whomever is designated as 3 this year. Same with OLB and CB. Perhaps CB by the end of the year but not immediatly IMO. Who would be available at 22 who could come in and start?

honestly, w/ our roster, only an OLB has a chance of being a huge contributor as a rookie

OLB is the only position on our roster where we need an instant contributor from this draft if Carp is moved inside, that's why this year, I'm not necessarily looking at who might start, or might not, as a rookie, or who may play a huge role, like I did in the past, just someone who has a chance to do something in the near future when TO/Glenn, Flozell, Ellis, move along

 

[Catch-22]

Fullback, but I don't think it'd be a good value at 22

 

[Alexander]

It is good to finally struggle to answer this question.

 

[4lifecowboy]

I think CB has the strongest chance of starting right away IMO.

 

[joseephuss]

Ginn would be the starting return man. :

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Bowe, Meachem, or Jarrett would come and beat out Crayton for 3rd WR immediately.

Anthony Spencer would be good enough to force Carpenter inside.

I don't think that any WR outside of CJ could come in and be guaranteed a starting position. BTW, I would not consider a 3rd WR a starter. Maybe on other teams but not on ours. We use 2 TEs and split backs too much. We use way more 2 WR sets in our offense. Having said that, all the WRs you mention would have to learn the Pro game first. None of them are good enough route runners to be considered a shoe in at the 3rd WR spot IMO.

As far as Spencer is concerned, he's a DE that would be making a move to OLB. I don't see him as starting over Ellis/Singletary/Carp, whomever we have playing OLB at the beginning of the season.

I don't know guys. I don't see a lot of positions that are up for grabs. Honestly, ILB or RB are the only positions I see a guy being able to come in and start ahead of anybody. This assumes that we sign Hamlin, which I think is likely.

 

[Alexander]

Ellis/Singletary/Carp

Singletary?

 

[InmanRoshi]

Many Top 15 pick talent caliber WR's don't start until the 2nd or 3rd year. Santonio Holmes only started 4 games last year, and the Steelers had absolutely nobody opposite Hines Ward. I don't see a 2nd tier talent like Jarrett, Meachem or Bowe beating out a good proven #3 WR like Crayton on Day 1. None of them are polished prospects. Jarrett and Meachem are juniors, and Bowe is extremely raw and is going to be a project player. Meachem and Bowe just recently became productive college players.

Outside of Ginn returning kicks, I don't see a rookie WR even being activated for any games next year. They're not going to supplant Glenn, TO or Crayton for their spots. They'll have to battle for an activation with Sam Hurd and Miles Austin, both of whom are key special team contributors.

If Hamlin isn't signed, I could see Nelson or Griffin starting next year. Other than that, I don't see it.