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Can we get out of the damn shotgun?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by RonnieT24, Sep 16, 2022.

  1. RonnieT24

    RonnieT24 Well-Known Member

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    When you go back and look at Zeke's highlights from early in his career they are almost all out of the deep back set. He attacks the line of scrimmage downhill and when there is a crease he sees it, puts a foot in the ground and attacks it. Even if there is a defender there to put a hand on him it doesn't even slow that beast down because he has serious forward momentum. FF to since Moore has taken over and easily 70-80% of our runs are out of shotgun.. So now the backs are nearly always waiting for the QB to bring them the ball and standing still .. It's absolute lunacy.. Especially given the leakage that our o-line seems to allow on nearly every run. Having the back standing next to the QB takes away vision and leverage against the defense. Great if you're Barry Sanders.. but for a downhill runner like Zeke it's just a mismatch. I can't stand watching him stand there waiting to be given the ball and have to fight off a free defender almost instantly. Ironically Pollard IS more of the jitterbug type back but even he is not equipped to have consistent success if there are defenders helping him take the handoff. This is going to be a looooonnnnnnng year.
     
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  2. JayFord

    JayFord Well-Known Member

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    Yall gotta forward this to Kellen

    or Forward it to Mike and tell him to make Kellen do this...since its the HC job to control the OC

    Kinda cant have an assistant manager doing whatever he wants when you have a general manager
     
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  3. EMMITTnROY

    EMMITTnROY Well-Known Member

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    Completely agreed. My buddies hear me complain about this exact thing every time we watch a Cowboys game together.
     
  4. maryquality

    maryquality Well-Known Member

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    I 100% agree with you @RonnieT24 !!!! It's so frustrating and my ultimate pet peeve seeing them handing the ball off 7 yards deep in the back field!!! My goodness!! Come on Kellen!!!!
     
  5. nate dizzle

    nate dizzle Well-Known Member

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    Dude, I've been preaching from that book for 2 years now. For exactly the same reasons you cited.


     
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  6. Big D

    Big D Well-Known Member

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    1st and goal from the 2 . Shotgun set, empty backfield,
    3rd and 2 , Shotgun set, zeke motions out wide
    :laugh:
     
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  7. RonnieT24

    RonnieT24 Well-Known Member

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    It's not really the depth of the handoff that kills us it's the play design that has them take the ball pretty much standing still .. or with maybe a one step startup. It doesn't really suit either Zeke or Pollard's style but it suits Pollard better. When you have the QB under center he can influence the flow of the defense because typically he will open up on side, show the ball, then hand it to the back going the other way. The defense, specifically the linebackers have to honor it when the QB opens up and shows the ball left.. then when the back gets it going right they're momentum is against them. Same with defensive linemen. If the offensive line can prevent penetration the back will be able to attack them downhill as well. Of course we know defenses often have called slants and stunts but even in the context of those, "go to the ball" is their #1 priority. Having the guy getting the ball be a stationary target for them is just plain stoopid.
     
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  8. Wichitaleafs

    Wichitaleafs Well-Known Member

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    This and I also miss the I formation with a fullback, but I'm old.
     
  9. Ken

    Ken Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you but unfortunately, this us how the whole NFL operates now.

    Just quickly looked up last year....we operated out of the Gun 476 times.

    San Diego was 510.
    Rams 473
    KC 585
    TB 578
    Buffalo 556
    GB 410
     
  10. John813

    John813 Well-Known Member

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    Cowboys have been using the shotgun formation heavily since 2019.

    https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/snap-rates--shotgun-v-under-center--off-.html

    2016 it was nearly 50-50, 2017 it was 50-50 and then in 2018 it went to 42% under center to 58% in shotgun.
    2019 was the first year of Moore at OC and well the split has only increased.
    19: 38% Under, 62% Shotgun
    20: 36% Under, 64% Shotgun
    21: Not available yet?
     
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  11. john van brocklin

    john van brocklin Captain Comeback

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    Moore is too attached to Garret's old offense.
    I was soooo disappointed that Mac did not install his offense,
    still am...
     
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  12. Coogiguy03

    Coogiguy03 Well-Known Member

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    I guess it's easier for Dak to read, I think it's also horrible trying to be a running team! Nobody wants a full back anymore but they want to run run run, get a lead blocker in there, can the shotgun forever I've hated this formation for years, time for a change
     
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  13. Coogiguy03

    Coogiguy03 Well-Known Member

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    THE GENERAL MANAGER WON'T ALLOW THE COACH TO DO SO
     
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  14. ItzKelz

    ItzKelz Well-Known Member

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  15. Coogiguy03

    Coogiguy03 Well-Known Member

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    Motions out wide just to motion out wide, if you watch, he's never doing anything except clearing out for the WR over top I can't stand it!!!
     
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  16. Coogiguy03

    Coogiguy03 Well-Known Member

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    Right because you can have a single back formation and still have a deep hand off
     
  17. Redline360

    Redline360 Well-Known Member

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    Holy **** we were just talking about this at work earlier lol. I honestly never really paid attention to it that much as that's how most of the nfl operates now

    Notice the years the offense was at its peak? The earlier years when the run game wore down opposing defenses. As someone posted the under / shotgun stats above. We sadly had a piss poor defense then

    We get the run game cemented with this upgraded defense from years ago we can look like the 2016 team again. Run defense is still the "kryptonite" that kills us though
     
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  18. CWR

    CWR Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for giving me one more reason to hate KM.
     
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  19. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    We’re in shotgun because your hero Dak can’t read a defense after play action
     
  20. CowboysRule

    CowboysRule Well-Known Member

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    This exactly. If you see Dak under center it's either play action or a run.
     
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