can we officially label carpenter a bust?

[needforspeed]

even though many people on here defended Bobby throughout his tenure at valley ranch I say he's a "bust" with the signing of thomas and the possibility of the cowboys picking up more LB's in the draft I say it's over for him, what a disappointment ......

Embrace the hatred, Mr. Carpenter.

 

[AZ_Cowboys_Fan]

well, at least he got to go to cabo with witten, romo and miss simpson. he's got that going for him.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

What I dont get is...

Wasnt Carpenter a factor in the playoff game against Seattle? He was creating Havoc that day.... did he bump his head after that game and forgot everything?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Agreed. 11 tackles. That's one for every game that he played in if my math is correct. That's HELLA "immensely successful".

In all seriousness, Junior Seau, who plays the same position and is like 95 years old, got that many tackles every two games.

Carpenter's signal calling was amazing though...I will give you that. He sounded like Pavarotti out there. Brilliant voice and excellent pats on the butt.

thats the only package he got to play on and it was for passing downs. I think I saw him rush the passer once out of that formation. That would mean he was covering and typically if hes making a tackle that means he allowed a completion. More often than not the rush got to the QB and that is a testament that the coverage was up to par.

As for making the call on that package if you dont understand the significance of that especially considering how much movement etc was going on then you arent even worth talking to.

 

[tunahelper]

Carp is not a bust I think!

He was scouted poorly by BP and Ireland and fits a 4-3 LB mold better.

He runs and flows to the ball and even though he has size he fails to fight off blocks well which is paramount in the 3-4 defense.

Is it Carp's fault he is not in a defense that fits his skill set?

Dunno know? Lets trade him and find out.

 

[AZ_Cowboys_Fan]

What I dont get is...

Wasnt Carpenter a factor in the playoff game against Seattle? He was creating Havoc that day.... did he bump his head after that game and forgot everything?

yeah, i said the same thing.... i guess the general consensus is that he got hurt this past preseason and from that point on wade never gave him a shot to get back on the field. i tend to agree with what everyone else is saying... the zach thomas signing is the end for him. they would'nt have signed thomas if they had even the slightest bit of confidence in carpenter. and apparently parcells has no interest in trading for him from what i heard.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I blame the coaches. Moving him back and forth. Not letting him see the field except on special teams. How do we really know if he can or can't play in this league?

 

[Jordan55]

I say we give him one more year to prove himself, his play in the Seattle Payoff game was impressive to me.
It's finding the right position for the guy and then let the guy stay there,
Were willing to give Parcell's and Ireland credit for evaluating talent, Yet we call this this guy a bust, I choose to give him one more year.
Brady James took three years.

 

[Nors]

He's a player two very experienced NFL coaches could not find a role fore. It's 3rd season for Carp to force a role.

At #18 in draft where he is today is not a good place.

 

[UVAwahoos]

thats the only package he got to play on and it was for passing downs. I think I saw him rush the passer once out of that formation. That would mean he was covering and typically if hes making a tackle that means he allowed a completion. More often than not the rush got to the QB and that is a testament that the coverage was up to par.

As for making the call on that package if you dont understand the significance of that especially considering how much movement etc was going on then you arent even worth talking to.

I appreciated all the things that you're saying about him, but the problem is that you're making him out to be a lot greater than he actually is. There's a reason that he got to play some games and not others. If he went in there and did a superb job calling plays (which any of the actual defensive captains can do just as well) and was excellent in coverage, than he would've got to play against teams like New England and we would've heard his name a lot more for things like interceptions, batted away passes, or even tackling a running back every now and then.

No, the story is not fitting here. You can be great in coverage and make big plays and be recognized, OR you can be great at closing in and reading the field, in which case you will also make big plays and be recognized.

He did neither. You don't stay under the radar if you're "good in coverage" as you're claiming. He would've started every game if this were the case and he also would've been in there stopping slot receivers and check down routes the entire game.

1) Wade DID give him a chance even after the preseason
2) He did NOT do anything remarkable to capitalize on it.
3) He is not a bust because he was overrated to begin with as many players from huge successful programs commonly are.
4) He was one of Parcells' few talent-recognition mistakes. 3 years is enough to figure some things out in a sport where you end up cutting 10 great athletes each year because of roster limitations.

 

[UVAwahoos]

He's a player two very experienced NFL coaches could not find a role fore. It's 3rd season for Carp to force a role.

At #18 in draft where he is today is not a good place.

Couldn't have said it any better.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Sure. If we can also label Fasano, Hatcher, Watkins, McQuistan, etc all busts too.

lol I dont know how you threw Fasano in the boat. He has been nothing but solid. Carpenter and Watkins maybe busts. I still think Watkins could be the guy. Cut Carpenter though.

 

[Vintage]

lol I dont know how you threw Fasano in the boat. He has been nothing but solid. Carpenter and Watkins maybe busts. I still think Watkins could be the guy. Cut Carpenter though.

I was being sarcastic.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I say we give him one more year to prove himself, his play in the Seattle Payoff game was impressive to me.
It's finding the right position for the guy and then let the guy stay there,
Were willing to give Parcell's and Ireland credit for evaluating talent, Yet we call this this guy a bust, I choose to give him one more year.
Brady James took three years.

I don't see how 1 game can justify his 32 games of suckiness. He hasn't done much of anything but be nice on special news flash 1st round LB'ers are supposed to be on special teams. D ware taken in the 1st round and Spencer both have contributed way more.

Not at all, he was drafted to play O.L.B. but then Ellis made the adjustment to O.L.b. so his rookie eyar we made him learn all 4 L.B. positions and when he got on the field late inthe year looked really good.
Then we moved him inside permanently but we already had Ayodelle and James which are two very good L.b.'s to unseed plus Burnett.
I feel once he actually gets on the field, He'll be good, but for a 1st round pick, he should make more of an impact, BUST, can't be sure as of yet, we'll know in 2 more years.

He couldn't start over an aging defense end that was convert they had the same learning curve pretty much. Expect Carp had more experience playing LB'er. Then when Ellis went down he couldn't even start over Al singleton i fail to see any justification for this guy. I fail two see how we are going to give him 2 more years thats a ridiculous amount of time.

I blame the coaches. Moving him back and forth. Not letting him see the field except on special teams. How do we really know if he can or can't play in this league?

The reason why the keep moving him is because he is showing them nothing at any position and they are trying to get him on the field he is a first round pick and only gets playing time on special teams.

 

[ajk23az]

Spears isn't on that list? ?????? When i think of bust i think of a 1st round draft pick. IF your drafted in the 1st round it means your the cream of the crop big school and should be the best of the best coming from college.

Lets see Carp
OSU big time school was number 1 in the nation big ten champs national titale camp AJ hawk drafted in the 1st round also looks like a bust to me


hmmm Spears
LSU big time school i 4got how good they were but they are the elite in college football there was more LSU players drafted in the 1st round that year i beleive bust yes sir.

Watkins
FSU sucks big time school been really crappy the past couple of years drafted in the 4th he is on target and should finally see his worth this year

McQuistan
don't know what school he from but i think its BC and they haven't been good since William green was there RB and there were good this year 6th or 7th round draft pick

Hatcher
from a ll small school learning curve is longer than some1 from LSU theres more of an adjustment not 1st round pick bust no

Fasano
ND most overrated program in the nation played under that dude form the Pats which garnished them even m ore hype 2nd round pick bust ??? he plays behind witten

And also BC was pretty damn good this year, i dont know if you know this name but does MATT RYAN ring a bell....

 

[Beast_from_East]

even though many people on here defended Bobby throughout his tenure at valley ranch I say he's a "bust" with the signing of thomas and the possibility of the cowboys picking up more LB's in the draft I say it's over for him, what a disappointment ......

The problem is he doesnt fit our system, kinda sucks but it is what it is.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

And also BC was pretty damn good this year, i dont know if you know this name but does MATT RYAN ring a bell....

McQuistan
don't know what school he from but i think its BC and they haven't been good since William green was there RB and there were good this year 6th or 7th round draft pick

ummm yea read the whole post

 

[SuspectCorner]

I give Carpenter another year to make some noise (he looked kinda promising in that Seattle Wildcard game two seasons ago - and may still deliver) whereas Spears is all outta excuses with me. Spears doesn't absolutely suck... he's actually pretty darn serviceable - but nowhere near what I expected when Dallas drafted him at #20 overall. And I was all over this board saying how good he'd be. :bang2:

Spears might fare better as a 4-3 DT for another team.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I give Carpenter another year to make some noise (he looked kinda promising in that Seattle Wildcard game two seasons ago - and may still deliver) whereas Spears is all outta excuses with me. Spears doesn't absolutely suck... he's actually pretty darn serviceable - but nowhere near what I expected when Dallas drafted him at #20 overall. And I was all over this board saying how good he'd be. :bang2:

Spears might fare better as a 4-3 DT for another team.

Man Carp sucks
19 tackles last year
18 this year

Spencer almost had that many in one season
36 he did have more tackles than greg ellis but greg had more sacks.

I don't see how you guys can sit there and hold on to faith in Carp. That would be like holding on to faith in JJ considering the Monday night game he against the seahawks this is a show me league and Carp hasn't shown us anything to believe that he could be a LB'r in a 3-4 system.

 

[CF74]

If he rides the pine another 2-3 years, meanwhile getting stronger and wiser, and then comes out and sucks you'll know then for sure. For now, pure speculation