can we officially label carpenter a bust?

[SuspectCorner]

Man Carp sucks
19 tackles last year
18 this year

Spencer almost had that many in one season
36 he did have more tackles than greg ellis but greg had more sacks.

I don't see how you guys can sit there and hold on to faith in Carp. That would be like holding on to faith in JJ considering the Monday night game he against the seahawks this is a show me league and Carp hasn't shown us anything to believe that he could be a LB'r in a 3-4 system.

Carpenter won't have much in the way of a statline if he nevers sees the field. And he just didn't get any PT other than special teams.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Carpenter won't have much in the way of a statline if he nevers sees the field. And he just didn't get any PT other than special teams.

As i sated before he couldn't impress the coaches enough his rookie season to be out Ellis couldn't beat out Al Singleton got pushed to the inside couldn't beat out burnett went back to the outside and couldn't beat out spencer. It's rather pathetic

 

[SuspectCorner]

As i sated before he couldn't impress the coaches enough his rookie season to be out Ellis couldn't beat out Al Singleton got pushed to the inside couldn't beat out burnett went back to the outside and couldn't beat out spencer. It's rather pathetic

Color me slow... but you ARE starting to make a dent on my thick noggin. It's prolly just a stubborn "last vestige of hope" thing with me and the idea that Carpenter could actually regularly realize the Seattle-game Carp-figure.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As i sated before he couldn't impress the coaches enough his rookie season to be out Ellis couldn't beat out Al Singleton got pushed to the inside couldn't beat out burnett went back to the outside and couldn't beat out spencer. It's rather pathetic

He was starting at the end of his rookie year. And Burnett wasnt his competition James was. You don't know what remotely what youre talking about.

 

[SuspectCorner]

He was starting at the end of his rookie year. And Burnett wasnt his competition James was. You don't know what remotely what youre talking about.

No, he's in the ballpark. There's only four starting LB's for Dallas and Carpenter HAS been considered inside AND outside.

It's frustrating that, in two seasons, they can't find ANY PT for the guy at ANY LBer position when the only bulletproof guy has been Ware... and now we bring in li'l Zach.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

I believe he's not getting enough playing time to cause any impact, he was very limited in the playing time he had this season.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

He was starting at the end of his rookie year. And Burnett wasnt his competition James was. You don't know what remotely what youre talking about.

Carp moves from outside to inside so because he is the MILB and not the WILB i don't know what im talking about? When they are trying him at ILB and OLB i thought it was safe to assume that any ILB and OLB is his competition. I think of it as.

Dware Ellis Spencer Carp OLB
JAmes AKin Burnet Carp ILB

Two of our LB barely leave the field and thats D ware and James so he has no chance in he double hockey stick taking either spot so its safe to assume he that burnett is compettion all LB compete for playing time and when your the short end of the stick you try to get in where you fit in ad so far he don't fit in anyhwere

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, he's in the ballpark. There's only four starting LB's for Dallas and Carpenter HAS been considered inside AND outside.

It's frustrating that, in two seasons, they can't find ANY PT for the guy at ANY LBer position when the only bulletproof guy has been Ware... and now we bring in li'l Zach.

Thomas is going to the HoF and played ILB in the 3-4 for the past several years going to the probowl twice. He was brought in because he is one of the best LBers of his generation not because Akin, Carp or anyone else sucks.

Thomas also will be playing at WILB whereas Carp plays at SILB so again you guys are barking up the wrong tree.

Carp was considered at OLB and won the job his rookie year and excelled. He was moved back inside and couldnt beat out James who he was backing up because James was playing extremely well.

By your reasoning we should say the Spencer sucks because he couldnt beat out Ellis. Thats just dumb.

Heck even Wade said he made a mistake by putting that much onus on that preseason game.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Carp moves from outside to inside so because he is the MILB and not the WILB i don't know what im talking about? When they are trying him at ILB and OLB i thought it was safe to assume that any ILB and OLB is his competition. I think of it as.

Dware Ellis Spencer Carp OLB
JAmes AKin Burnet Carp ILB

Two of our LB barely leave the field and thats D ware and James so he has no chance in he double hockey stick taking either spot so its safe to assume he that burnett is compettion all LB compete for playing time and when your the short end of the stick you try to get in where you fit in ad so far he don't fit in anyhwere

Number one you said he could beat out Singleton. Who was starting at that OLB spot at the end of 2006?

Also Carp was James backup. That was the position he was competing for. After the way James and Carp played in 2006, Wade put Carp in a spot to take over that job. James played well and Carp got dinged that was the end of that.

Burnett backed up Ayodele and was the nickel backer. The only way that Carp would be in competition with Burnett would be if he was vying for nickel backer. He wasnt although i wish he was because Burnett was awful in coverage. So unless Carp changed his name to Akin or started getting reps at a position he never was then yes I will say you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[Rack]

He's not a bust, Parcells made a stupid, selfish decision to draft him. On a lot of other teams, he'd have 3 years of on-field experience under his belt right now.

That would be an amazing accomplishment considering he's only been in the league 2 years.

 

[jackrussell]

This reminds me alot of the mindless 'Parcells is not developing a young quarterback' whining.

Just because there are those that aren't seeing something that suits them THEIR way (afterall, things are only done ONE way in the NFL)...that something can't possibly be happening.

Nothing new here...just the same old declarations to push an agenda.

 

[Stash]

This reminds me alot of the mindless 'Parcells is not developing a young quarterback' whining.

Just because there are those that aren't seeing something that suits them THEIR way (afterall, things are only done ONE way in the NFL)...that something can't possibly be happening.

Nothing new here...just the same old declarations to push an agenda.

What 'agenda' would that be?

The frustration that a #1 draft choice can't even get onto the field?

I sure think that some people have the right to be more than a bit frustrated.

They tried him outside and felt that Ellis was better and that Anthony Spencer was needed.

They tried him inside and felt that Ayodele was better and that Zach Thomas was also needed.

If Carpenter goes somewhere else and excels, I'll blame the two coaching staffs who failed to see his potential. Until then, I'll look at it as the player's failings.

I don't think he's garbage or can't play, I just think he's not what the team thought they were getting and would be better off in a 4-3 somewhere else.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

The fat lady is warming up.......

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Number one you said he could beat out Singleton. Who was starting at that OLB spot at the end of 2006?

Also Carp was James backup. That was the position he was competing for. After the way James and Carp played in 2006, Wade put Carp in a spot to take over that job. James played well and Carp got dinged that was the end of that.

Burnett backed up Ayodele and was the nickel backer. The only way that Carp would be in competition with Burnett would be if he was vying for nickel backer. He wasnt although i wish he was because Burnett was awful in coverage. So unless Carp changed his name to Akin or started getting reps at a position he never was then yes I will say you have no clue what you are talking about.

so when greg ellis went down bobby carp stepped in and started right ? ook so he couldn't beat out singleton. like i said a 1st round draft pick being tried at mutiple postition in the LB crew is going to see work at WILB when all the LB compete against each other is folish not to think that. Bobby was 3rd string last year and the year before and he's third string
this year.

18 tackles he had the same amount as justin rodger when we pick carp i was like now im like this :bang2:. Just because you conviced yourself he is a good player doesn't make it true.

 

[jazzcat22]

He's not a bust, Parcells made a stupid, selfish decision to draft him. On a lot of other teams, he'd have 3 years of on-field experience under his belt right now.

Well, it doesn't help to move him from OLB to ILB, then back to OLB, then back to ILB. Yes, the Genius Tuna dropped the ball on this one. I still think he can play. Our problem is, they screwed up. He will leave in FA when he can, and go be an all-pro for some other team.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

so when greg ellis went down bobby carp stepped in and started right ? ook so he couldn't beat out singleton. like i said a 1st round draft pick being tried at mutiple postition in the LB crew is going to see work at WILB when all the LB compete against each other is folish not to think that. Bobby was 3rd string last year and the year before and he's third string
this year.

18 tackles he had the same amount as justin rodger when we pick carp i was like now im like this :bang2:. Just because you conviced yourself he is a good player doesn't make it true.

When Ellis went down Al and Bobboy rotated for a couple games. Bobby ended that season as the starter. But hey you keep babbling.

Alos the two ILB positions are not interchangeable furthermore Carpenter was James' backup. Had James gone down then Carpenter would have started thus making him second string.

Really he has underachieved what anyone has hoped but you are so offbase in your attempt to belittle him its sad.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I blame the coaches. Moving him back and forth. Not letting him see the field except on special teams. How do we really know if he can or can't play in this league?

I tend to agree with this.... but its weird... like they saw something and just said "no way".....

Did he pull a Chad Hutchinson.. "I am ****ing tryin?"

 

[Bob Sacamano]

how can you rate a player who hasn't had a chance to do anything, because he's sitting behind solid players, a bust, before his 3 years in the league?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

how can you rate a player who hasn't had a chance to do anything, because he's sitting behind solid players, a bust, before his 3 years in the league?

The question is how can a 1st round pick not be able to get on the field after 2 season barring injuries. I don't see Spencer adjusted nicely whats taking carp so long

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The question is how can a 1st round pick not be able to get on the field after 2 season barring injuries. I don't see Spencer adjusted nicely whats taking carp so long

Alright youre bordering on stupidity with your takes here.

He beat out Singleton and ended up his rookie year starting and playing well. That is seeing the field.

He injured his quad in the preseason and that is how Phillips evaluated him. Thats an injury.

Are youjust one of these people that say the same thing over and over and over again hoping that itll be true?