Carroll: "We're Fortunate We're Getting Them Early

[MWH1967]

So Carroll baits the trap with kind words . . . .
And, of coarse, some here fall for it. LOL

Didn't fall for it at all. It's fair. That is if EVERYTHING goes right.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

We still need to start grooming a QB starting next year. Just like the Pats are starting to do with Garoppolo.

Imagine if the Patriots had used that 2nd and 3rd round pick they used on Jimmy and Mallet on offensive lineman and/or skill position players.

 

[tyke1doe]

In the article it states:



They are a good running team, but it is in large part to Russell Wilson and his yardage. Take away the QB's 209 rushing yards and that team has 460 yards, which would be tied for 17th in the NFL with Atlanta.

Take away Romo's 34 yards and Dallas still has 766 yards, or still second in the NFL... which of course would really be first without Wilson's yards.

Don't get me wrong... I think Marshawn Lynch is a monster, but that team hasn't been running like the best run game in the league if you take away Wilson's yards. Lynch is averaginIg 76.5 yards per game, good for 11th overall. Murray is running for 134.0 yards per game, first in the NFL or almost twice as much as Lynch is.

Ah, those statistics.
The fact that Wilson can scramble and Marshawn Lynch can run makes Seattle's run offense that much more potent. DeMarco Murrary IS the Cowboys rushing attack. I really don't see how breaking down who is doing more running for either team serves a purpose other than to say that Murrary is running better than Lynch.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Yep. Carroll's process just was quicker.

Except they had years and years drafting much higher than we did before Pete arrived. But people like to forget that fact.

 

[AsthmaField]

Ah, those statistics.
The fact that Wilson can scramble and Marshawn Lynch can run makes Seattle's run offense that much more potent. DeMarco Murrary IS the Cowboys rushing attack. I really don't see how breaking down who is doing more running for either team serves a purpose other than to say that Murrary is running better than Lynch.

Well, the author of the piece is the one who brings up the statistics, so I was just showing that his "The Cowboys' running game might be ranked No. 2 in the NFL, but Seattle will point out that Lynch and Co. are No. 1" is misleading.

Wagner was asked if Murray was the best RB they've faced this season and he says that it is Lynch. It is then that the author decides to state that Seattle is #1 and Dallas is #2, so I thought it perfectly understandable to point out that Marshawn isn't fully responsible for their #1 ranking (with big help from the QB in that stat) while Murray is almost fully responsible for the Cowboys #2 rating.

It is disingenuous of the author to make the Jump from Lynch being better, to Seattle #1 as proof of that. Disingenuous at best.

 

[tyke1doe]

Well, the author of the piece is the one who brings up the statistics, so I was just showing that his "The Cowboys' running game might be ranked No. 2 in the NFL, but Seattle will point out that Lynch and Co. are No. 1" is misleading.

Wagner was asked if Murray was the best RB they've faced this season and he says that it is Lynch. It is then that the author decides to state that Seattle is #1 and Dallas is #2, so I thought it perfectly understandable to point out that Marshawn isn't fully responsible for their #1 ranking (with big help from the QB in that stat) while Murray is almost fully responsible for the Cowboys #2 rating.

It is disingenuous of the author to make the Jump from Lynch being better, to Seattle #1 as proof of that. Disingenuous at best.

I see. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Didn't fall for it at all. It's fair. That is if EVERYTHING goes right.

yeth, what could possibly go rong?

 

[AsthmaField]

Except they had years and years drafting much higher than we did before Pete arrived. But people like to forget that fact.

Carroll also had years and years of contacts in college football and actually recruited and coached some of the guys he was drafting. Jimmy Johnson mentions this in the documentary about the H Walker trade. He said that he had a big-time advantage in his first few years in Dallas when it came to the draft because he knew a lot of the draftees and knew a lot of their college coaches.

Johnson goes on to say, "why do you think Carroll is doing so well in Seattle? He had the same advantage coming out of USC."

That has helped him a lot in finding the right guys for his team. It played a part in the success there and Garrett and Dallas didn't have that to lean on (and neither did most other teams).

Johnson also talks about Harbaugh in SF having the same advantage. Personally, I really do think it helped Johnson as well as Carroll and Harbaugh.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Carroll also had years and years of contacts in college football and actually recruited and coached some of the guys he was drafting. Jimmy Johnson mentions this in the documentary about the H Walker trade. He said that he had a big-time advantage in his first few years in Dallas when it came to the draft because he knew a lot of the draftees and knew a lot of their college coaches.

Johnson goes on to say, "why do you think Carroll is doing so well in Seattle? He had the same advantage coming out of USC."

That has helped him a lot in finding the right guys for his team. It played a part in the success there and Garrett and Dallas didn't have that to lean on (and neither did most other teams).

Johnson also talks about Harbaugh in SF having the same advantage. Personally, I really do think it helped Johnson as well as Carroll and Harbaugh.

I simply don't believe that's true in the NFL anymore given all that goes into scouting in the billion dollar NFL business.

Also NFL coaches are routinely talking to college coaches these days. See Ro and Saban and Jason love triangle.

 

[DandyDon1722]

yeth, what could possibly go rong?

Lol - nice try Gimmee on the balancing act - didn't quite translate though.

 

[AsthmaField]

I simply don't believe that's true in the NFL anymore given all that goes into scouting in the billion dollar NFL business.

Also NFL coaches are routinely talking to college coaches these days. See Ro and Saban and Jason love triangle.

While I do feel like it is true, I'm not going to argue about it because it can't really be proven. Good point on Garrett and Saban... that little "in" Garrett had with Saban helped them secure McClain who is probably the NFL's biggest surprise this year. It definitely helped, IMO.

However, below is what Johnson said (I thought it was Carroll and Harbaugh, but it was Carroll and Chip Kelly... my bad):

"The Rams tried to do the same thing [as Dallas did with H Walker] when they traded Eric Dickerson to the Colts two years before," Johnson says. "But that didn't work out for them because they chose the wrong players.

"The advantage we had was that we had seen the players we were drafting. We had relationships with other assistant coaches, so we knew who to call to get an honest assessment. Why do you think Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly have been so successful in the pros? Yes, they know how to teach and motivate, but they also know how to get the information they need to find talent."

Indeed, with only 56 days to prepare for the 1989 draft after he was named to replace Tom Landry, Johnson had taken Aikman, Syracuse fullback Daryl "Moose" Johnston, Pittsburgh center Mark Stepnoski and Texas-El Paso defensive end Tony Tolbert -- all of whom would make Pro Bowls and help Johnson rebuild the Cowboys.

Here is the link to the article... it is a good one. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...nniversary-run-birthed-dallas-cowboys-dynasty

 

[BigStar]

"...Because a year from now, these guys are gong to be really something."

Looks like Pete gets it.

It's awesome to think how much better the offensive line could be with a year of experience and playing together. If we manage the cap, have a decent defensive draft and maybe grab one solid free agent we absolutely should be in the Super Bowl conversation next season.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...-for-clash-against-dallas-run-game/ar-BB8dZhQ

Agree, it now seems to come down to Romo remaining healthy/productive (next couple of seasons) with an edge rusher drafted/added along with maybe a FS and a DT for the rotation or to start @ the 1 tech (draft/FA). The talent is here and definitely share the optimism regarding the future. Hope for a playoff win this season and a true run next year.

 

[BigStar]

It is about time.

I was wondering how many non playoff seasons it took for people to get it.

Nice one 4-1 has justified the last 4 seasons of "bleh" bc the team is now trending upwards. Don't mention SEA/SF/PHI early turn arounds, gets in the way of the culture argument.

 

[cowboyblue22]

i think u need to win when u can each year the league and teams change so much. better watch carroll he will run the score up if he can.this will be a very hard game for the boys I think they can win not sure they will.

 

[Gameover]

I've been saying this since the summer Pete, welcome to the party!! It was lonely on this island. Now, Cows are a couple of victories away from it being standing room only around this joint!

Cowboys will enter next years training camp as a top 5 favorite to win it all! Thanks to our GM!

You mad pebs?

Another prediction: Cavs will win between 52-55 games and will get slaughtered worse than the Heat, if they make to the Finals vs OKC or Spurs!

 

[Nightman]

Carroll also had years and years of contacts in college football and actually recruited and coached some of the guys he was drafting. Jimmy Johnson mentions this in the documentary about the H Walker trade. He said that he had a big-time advantage in his first few years in Dallas when it came to the draft because he knew a lot of the draftees and knew a lot of their college coaches.

Johnson goes on to say, "why do you think Carroll is doing so well in Seattle? He had the same advantage coming out of USC."

That has helped him a lot in finding the right guys for his team. It played a part in the success there and Garrett and Dallas didn't have that to lean on (and neither did most other teams).

Johnson also talks about Harbaugh in SF having the same advantage. Personally, I really do think it helped Johnson as well as Carroll and Harbaugh.

Coming from a top college program definitely helps the first couple years. Not just the Head Coach, but all the assistants scouted and recruited most of the top guys.

But, Seattle has missed on Draft picks and FAs as much as anyone else. They have made some very good picks, Sherman, Wilson, Wagner, but they have blown a few ones as well.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

In the article it states:



They are a good running team, but it is in large part to Russell Wilson and his yardage. Take away the QB's 209 rushing yards and that team has 460 yards, which would be tied for 17th in the NFL with Atlanta.

Take away Romo's 34 yards and Dallas still has 766 yards, or still second in the NFL... which of course would really be first without Wilson's yards.

Don't get me wrong... I think Marshawn Lynch is a monster, but that team hasn't been running like the best run game in the league if you take away Wilson's yards. Lynch is averaging 76.5 yards per game, good for 11th overall. Murray is running for 134.0 yards per game, first in the NFL or almost twice as much as Lynch is.

On the other hand, the Seahawks have an all Pro in Wilson and a smothering defense.
let's not get caught whistling past the paved yard, because belief me, it will be no walk in the cake.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

We still need to start grooming a QB starting next year. Just like the Pats are starting to do with Garoppolo.

Well, ok. But if the organization and more importantly, JERRY, thinks we finally got this thing figured out.
He will milk Romo for more than just a few years of the contract!

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

This is the definition of a back-handed compliment, by the way.

"Next year those guys are really going to be something. (So glad we get them out of the way while they ain't much.)"

 

[AsthmaField]

On the other hand, the Seahawks have an all Pro in Wilson and a smothering defense.
let's not get caught whistling past the paved yard, because belief me, it will be no walk in the cake.

No, it will not be a walk in the cake...