Carter/Schlereth bashing the Pats on ESPN
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Chocolate Lab
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Really, they're actually showing the tapes Walsh turned over? I'm surprised the NFL let them out.
Or are they Walsh's copies that they're showing?
Or are they Walsh's copies that they're showing?
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A point Schlereth made is that the tapes aren't of division teams. They are of teams the Pats wouldn't play again for years, so the only way they got anything out of the tapes was if they used them during the current game. Unlike most pundits, Carter and Schlereth believe, after looking at the footage and the way it was recorded, that the Pats absolutely could have used what they learned series to series.
Schlereth: "They wouldn't have kept doing it if wasn't helping."
They're saying these tapes could give "traction" to outside investigators (feds).
Schlereth: "They wouldn't have kept doing it if wasn't helping."
They're saying these tapes could give "traction" to outside investigators (feds).
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VACowboy;2080393 said:
Especially with that genius friend of Belichick analyzing them...
But I thought some of the tapes were of Miami and Buffalo?
Even if they weren't used in-game, I could see them taping opponents just in case they played them in the playoffs... Like they did Pittsburgh.
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VACowboy;2080393 said:
Yep because you don't play your division...in superbowls.
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That's what I said from the beginning of this entire mess. It's an insult to everyone's intelligence to say they received no competitive benefit from taping signals.
If that's the case why did Belichik do it for over 7 years?!! Belichik would never waste the time and energy it took to do it if he wasn't receiving a benefit from the practice.
If that's the case why did Belichik do it for over 7 years?!! Belichik would never waste the time and energy it took to do it if he wasn't receiving a benefit from the practice.
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They discussed the Pitt game, said exactly what you did, Choc. They both said the tapes could've completely changed that playoff game.
They're saying now that the tapes not only focused on the formations and signals but very closely on the coaches and motions they were making and stuff they were doing with players so that maybe they could follow coaches to other teams.
They're saying now that the tapes not only focused on the formations and signals but very closely on the coaches and motions they were making and stuff they were doing with players so that maybe they could follow coaches to other teams.
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I know one thing.
The NE Patriots coach is a blatant liar and hard core cheater.
Whatever it takes to win eh Bill?
I got some huge * by those Pats SB wins now. The league brushing it under the rug like they are doing just enforces my opinion of it all.
I tell you one thing. I would ashamed if I were a Pats fan right now. Hell if it were the Cowboys, I would be ashamed. You DO NOT CHEAT. Seeing those tapes and what exactly they filmed just shows you what a dirty cheater Bellycheck and the Pats are.
They will do anything to get an edge and won't stop at cheating to do it.
Sad - sad.
The NE Patriots coach is a blatant liar and hard core cheater.
Whatever it takes to win eh Bill?
I got some huge * by those Pats SB wins now. The league brushing it under the rug like they are doing just enforces my opinion of it all.
I tell you one thing. I would ashamed if I were a Pats fan right now. Hell if it were the Cowboys, I would be ashamed. You DO NOT CHEAT. Seeing those tapes and what exactly they filmed just shows you what a dirty cheater Bellycheck and the Pats are.
They will do anything to get an edge and won't stop at cheating to do it.
Sad - sad.
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WALSH HAS NO EVIDENCE OF CHEATING
Posted by Mike Florio on May 13, 2008, 12:44 p.m.
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has announced that former Patriots video employee Matt Walsh has provided him with no new evidence of cheating by the team, beyond the information that already has been discovered and disclosed regarding the taping of coaching signals.
Most importantly, Goodell said that Walsh claims there is no evidence of any videotape of the Rams’ walk-through prior to Super Bowl XXXVI. Walsh told Goodell that Walsh didn’t tape it, that he was not aware of anyone who might have taped it, that he hasn’t seen it, and that he knows of no one who taped it. Walsh also said that he was in Superdome at the time of the walk-through, that he was going about his required busines, and that he was on sidelines in Patriots gear while the Rams were practicing.
Goodell said that Walsh also is aware of no other violations of league rules of policies by the Patriots. Goodell specifically ruled out evidence of bugging of locker rooms, manipulation of communications systems, augmenting of crowd noises, and/or placing microphones on players to pick up opponents’ audibles or signals by the Patriots.
Walsh supplied only two new pieces of information — that the Pats used a player on injured reserve during a practice in 2001, and that Walsh was involved in the scalping of eight to ten Super Bowl tickets. As to the former, Goodell claimed that the penalty for using a player in practice who is on injured reserve is the imposition of a fine. But Goodell said that there will be no additional penalty, given the $750,000 in fines previously imposed on the team.
Walsh told Goodell that he wasn’t looking for publicity, and that when Walsh hinted that there was more evidence of cheating to the New York Times, Walsh was under the impression that it wasn’t well known that the practice dated back to the 2000 season.
And that’s because it wasn’t well known. Though the NFL has tried to perpetuate the notion that the Pats ‘fessed up to taping it has been common knowledge since September, it wasn’t widely reported until February 2008.
Finally, and we hope that the people at ESPN were listening closely to this, Goodell said that Walsh’s tapes weren’t used during the same game.
Posted by Mike Florio on May 13, 2008, 12:44 p.m.
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has announced that former Patriots video employee Matt Walsh has provided him with no new evidence of cheating by the team, beyond the information that already has been discovered and disclosed regarding the taping of coaching signals.
Most importantly, Goodell said that Walsh claims there is no evidence of any videotape of the Rams’ walk-through prior to Super Bowl XXXVI. Walsh told Goodell that Walsh didn’t tape it, that he was not aware of anyone who might have taped it, that he hasn’t seen it, and that he knows of no one who taped it. Walsh also said that he was in Superdome at the time of the walk-through, that he was going about his required busines, and that he was on sidelines in Patriots gear while the Rams were practicing.
Goodell said that Walsh also is aware of no other violations of league rules of policies by the Patriots. Goodell specifically ruled out evidence of bugging of locker rooms, manipulation of communications systems, augmenting of crowd noises, and/or placing microphones on players to pick up opponents’ audibles or signals by the Patriots.
Walsh supplied only two new pieces of information — that the Pats used a player on injured reserve during a practice in 2001, and that Walsh was involved in the scalping of eight to ten Super Bowl tickets. As to the former, Goodell claimed that the penalty for using a player in practice who is on injured reserve is the imposition of a fine. But Goodell said that there will be no additional penalty, given the $750,000 in fines previously imposed on the team.
Walsh told Goodell that he wasn’t looking for publicity, and that when Walsh hinted that there was more evidence of cheating to the New York Times, Walsh was under the impression that it wasn’t well known that the practice dated back to the 2000 season.
And that’s because it wasn’t well known. Though the NFL has tried to perpetuate the notion that the Pats ‘fessed up to taping it has been common knowledge since September, it wasn’t widely reported until February 2008.
Finally, and we hope that the people at ESPN were listening closely to this, Goodell said that Walsh’s tapes weren’t used during the same game.
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There's no doubt. I knew this would get swept away when I happened to be listening to ESPN radio the night the story of the new tapes broke and the host was saying this was a smoking gun and a big deal. Mortensen then came on and emphatically claimed that this was absolutely nothing we didn't already know about and there would be zero punishment. As dialed in as he is to Goodell and the rest of the NFL, I knew nothing would happen.VACowboy;2080432 said:
The whole thing still infuriates me. I can't imagine if I were a Pitt fan and they'd used these tapes to upset my 15-1 team in the AFC Championship.
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adbutcher;2080438 said:
Yes, it was.
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CaptainAmerica;2080403 said:
Abso-friggin-lutely!!!
Same here... been saying the same thing since day one. All the analysts that said "its nothing" or "they all do it"... now they are singing a different tune.
Fact is... good teams or not... Bill and the Pats were not successful until they started cheating.
Cheating = 3 SB wins by 3pts
No Cheating = 1 SB loss by 4 pts