CBS11 Blog: Steve Dennis on Aikman's Comments

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[khiladi]

Your bleating about MeO continues. You couldn't resist could you? Your like a stuck record. Your continued bashing of Garrett is you trying to deflect any blame away from MeO.

MeO = RW11
Troy = Khiladi

It's a conspiracy I tell ya!

Go cry somewhere else. LOL

Let me repeat it one more time, just because you forgot. It was YOU that raised the question to me.

Michael Irvin also called out RW11's poor route running on his radio show during the past season. Was he also defending Garrett?

So why are you crying? You asked me the question, a question you thought that would somehow end the matter. The fac is, it didn't, so now your precious little ego cant take the fact you got beat in your own game, so you resort to stupid exxageration to save what is left of your ego.

Not only that, you tell to me to get lost because of calling out Garrett in a thread that deals specifically with the topic of deflecting blame away from Garrett, genius. Man, your just awful at debating.

 

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Troy Aikman said the Williams-to-Dallas trade could be one of the worst ever if the Cowboys' new No. 1 receiver doesn't produce this fall.



"If Roy Williams doesn't turn out to be the player they thought he would be when they made the trade," Aikman said, "I think this would be one of the biggest busts in the history of the league."

When asked to clarify his thoughts, the former Cowboys quarterback didn't hold anything back.

"I just think that when you have the chance to evaluate a player to the degree the Cowboys were able to and then to give up what you gave up, if he's not a No. 1 receiver and not a highly productive player for this team, that's a huge flaw within their scouting department," Aikman said.

I see nothing about Roy being "intergrated into the offense". In fact, there's no criticism of the offense nor its' coordinator at all. No mention of Garrett failing to integrate Williams into the offense, despite that absolutely being the case.

All of Aikman's questioning and comments are directed squarely at Roy Williams.

So Garrett apparently gets a pass. If Roy struggles, it's all on him.

I hope it goes the same way if he succeeds.

But somehow I doubt it.

Erm. This was a quote about Roy Williams. It wasn't commentary about Garrett. There's no reason to think Troy's not capable of critiquing Garret in '08 when asked about it directly, and I don't see how Garrett enters into this discussion in any way, shape, form.

The point about RW is that Troy was saying 'if' he's not productive this year 'then' he would be a huge bust. That's a perfectly fair position to take under the circumstances. But he's not saying RW is necessarily a bust at this point.

 

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Erm. This was a quote about Roy Williams. It wasn't commentary about Garrett. There's no reason to think Troy's not capable of critiquing Garret in '08 when asked about it directly, and I don't see how Garrett enters into this discussion in any way, shape, form.

The point about RW is that Troy was saying 'if' he's not productive this year 'then' he would be a huge bust. That's a perfectly fair position to take under the circumstances. But he's not saying RW is necessarily a bust at this point.

And Roy's struggles would simply be Roy's struggles, completely separated from having anything to do with Jason Garrett?

I mean a receiver's success or failure has nothing to do with the guy calling the offense?

I don't think so. But apparently Troy does.

At no point did he have any criticism over the lame way Roy Williams was used last season and his good buddy's complete failure to integrate him into the offense.

So, again, it looks to me tht in Troy's eyes, Garrett can only get credit, but if Roy struggles, all the blame is his.

I think there's plenty of reason to believe that Troy (among others from the old 'Boys club) have plenty of trouble critiquing Jason Garrett because it never happens!

Nostaglia seems to override reality when it comes to judging anyone from this team's glory years, even a career backup quarterback.

 

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And Roy's struggles would simply be Roy's struggles, completely separated from having anything to do with Jason Garrett?

I mean a receiver's success or failure has nothing to do with the guy calling the offense?

I don't think so. But apparently Troy does.

At no point did he have any criticism over the lame way Roy Williams was used last season and his good buddy's complete failure to integrate him into the offense.

So, again, it looks to me tht in Troy's eyes, Garrett can only get credit, but if Roy struggles, all the blame is his.

I think there's plenty of reason to believe that Troy (among others from the old 'Boys club) have plenty of trouble critiquing Jason Garrett because it never happens!

Nostaglia seems to override reality when it comes to judging anyone from this team's glory years, even a career backup quarterback.

In this context, Roy's struggles would be completely separate, yes. This was specific commentary about the trade for RW.

I don't know that Troy's never commented on Jason Garrett's performance, but I don't have reason to believe he wouldn't be capable of evaluating him fairly if he were asked. Since I've yet to hear any coach who's worked with him have much critical to say about Jason Garrett, I'm not surprised that the people who know him well are still supportive of him. Perhaps it's deserved.

 

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In this context, Roy's struggles would be completely separate, yes. This was specific commentary about the trade for RW.

And that's just it with Aikman in this regard.

He has no problems criticizing Tony Romo, no problems criticizing Terrell Owens, and no problems criticizing Roy Williams.

One thing all have in common is that their closest 'boss' happens to be one of Aikman's good buddies.

I don't think you can separate a player from the man calling the plays he's running. They're not mutually exclusive but closely connected. Coaching can make-or-break players just like players can make-or-break coaching.

I don't know that Troy's never commented on Jason Garrett's performance, but I don't have reason to believe he wouldn't be capable of evaluating him fairly if he were asked. Since I've yet to hear any coach who's worked with him have much critical to say about Jason Garrett, I'm not surprised that the people who know him well are still supportive of him. Perhaps it's deserved.

It's not deserved based on what he's actually accomplished.

And I've actually searched for any criticism from Aikman and it's always about the players' failings and never about Garrett's.

The 'bloom is off the rose' with this guy and his 'next genius head coach' label is seriously tarnished.

It speaks volumes to me when the lowest teams in the league didn't want him.

Almost as much as it did that Jerry seemed to do next to nothing to fight to keep his 'head coach in waiting'.

For as much as Roy Williams - a guy who's actually accomplished things in the NFL 'needs to prove', the boy genius needs to prove even more.

But you won't hear any of his old buddies say that.

And for the record, I sincerely hope that both guys prove the doubters wrong.

 

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And that's just it with Aikman in this regard.

He has no problems criticizing Tony Romo, no problems criticizing Terrell Owens, and no problems criticizing Roy Williams.

One thing all have in common is that their closest 'boss' happens to be one of Aikman's good buddies.

I don't think you can separate a player from the man calling the plays he's running. They're not mutually exclusive but closely connected. Coaching can make-or-break players just like players can make-or-break coaching.



It's not deserved based on what he's actually accomplished.

And I've actually searched for any criticism from Aikman and it's always about the players' failings and never about Garrett's.

The 'bloom is off the rose' with this guy and his 'next genius head coach' label is seriously tarnished.

It speaks volumes to me when the lowest teams in the league didn't want him.

Almost as much as it did that Jerry seemed to do next to nothing to fight to keep his 'head coach in waiting'.

For as much as Roy Williams - a guy who's actually accomplished things in the NFL 'needs to prove', the boy genius needs to prove even more.

But you won't hear any of his old buddies say that.

And for the record, I sincerely hope that both guys prove the doubters wrong.

Nobody's saying Garrett doesn't have anything to prove this year. I'm saying that the fact that Garrett didn't come up in a discussion about Roy Williams isn't an indicator that anybody's shilling for Garrett.

 

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Nobody's saying Garrett doesn't have anything to prove this year. I'm saying that the fact that Garrett didn't come up in a discussion about Roy Williams isn't an indicator that anybody's shilling for Garrett.

And my point would be that I think it's unfair of Aikman to place this level of scrutiny publicly on Roy Williams alone.

He's not 'shilling for Garrett', just conveniently leaving him out of any of his criticisms.

 

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And my point would be that I think it's unfair of Aikman to place this level of scrutiny publicly on Roy Williams alone.

He's not 'shilling for Garrett', just conveniently leaving him out of any of his criticisms.

He'll go on record with Garret at some point. I can't see the soap opera in the Dallas media giving him a pass on it if they've got an opportunity to get attention trumping up a story.

RW deserves every bit of the scrutiny he gets. He's got a huge contract and he damn well better make sure he does whatever needs to be done to justify it. There's nothing unfair about putting him and the scouting department on the hook for the bold move they made.

I still think this was all just a publicity stunt to get attention for the Wingstop announcement. "If a good player doesn't deliver, then the trade for him will have been a huge mistake." No kidding?

 

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He'll go on record with Garret at some point. I can't see the soap opera in the Dallas media giving him a pass on it if they've got an opportunity to get attention trumping up a story.

At some point?

Garrett's had a lot more time to prove himself (or not) in Dallas. Roy Williams gets just 10 games? Hardly seems like equal treatment to me.

RW deserves every bit of the scrutiny he gets. He's got a huge contract and he damn well better make sure he does whatever needs to be done to justify it. There's nothing unfair about putting him and the scouting department on the hook for the bold move they made.

As opposed to the league's highest-paid offensive coordinator? Again, seems less than equal.

I still think this was all just a publicity stunt to get attention for the Wingstop announcement. "If a good player doesn't deliver, then the trade for him will have been a huge mistake." No kidding?

I don't.

I see a public figure criticizing a player but giving a friend a free pass.

 

[khiladi]

How is the onus all on Roy Williams? I thought the release happened because Garrett was forced to throw the ball to TO. Because of that, he couldn't spread the ball and establish a running game to utilize his other weapons more effectively. So now it is on Roy Williams to perform like some Superman, otherwise the trade becomes the biggest bust in history for the Cowboys? Why again is the pressue on Roy, when the offense was being criticized for it's tunnel vision in trying to get a single receiver the ball?Please... The fact is, the onus being on Roy Williams is exactly what it is. A scape-goat if Garrett fails, which he is on his way to doing if he doesn't change his ways.

 

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How is the onus all on Roy Williams? I thought the release happened because Garrett was forced to throw the ball to TO. Because of that, he couldn't spread the ball and establish a running game to utilize his other weapons more effectively. So now it is on Roy Williams to perform like some Superman, otherwise the trade becomes the biggest bust in history for the Cowboys? Why again is the pressue on Roy, when the offense was being criticized for it's tunnel vision in trying to get a single receiver the ball?Please... The fact is, the onus being on Roy Williams is exactly what it is. A scape-goat if Garrett fails, which he is on his way to doing if he doesn't change his ways.

Why is the evaluation of the trade for RW dependent upon the play of RW on the field, rather than on Jason Garrett? Some questions are just not answerable, I guess.

 

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Why is the evaluation of the trade for RW dependent upon the play of RW on the field, rather than on Jason Garrett? Some questions are just not answerable, I guess.

When some idiot is calling WR screens for a long-striding 6'3" receiver, it factors into the success/failure equation.

Unless you're one of Garrett's buddies stuck on nostalgia.

Then it's about Roy Williams' failure to execute such a brilliantly-designed play.