Charles Harris Pro Day

[stilltheguru88]

I wish somebody just had spliced up clips of all pass rushers in 3rd down situations

 

[tm1119]

Do they weigh them when they sack the qb?

Nope, nor will he get weighed when he's getting blown away 10 yards off the LOS on every run play. Can't spend a 1st round pick on a player that isn't a 3 down player.

 

[haleyrules]

Bucky Brooks, latest mock, has the Cowboys taking Harris at 28?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

FWIW, I'm pretty sure Bruglar said on the podcast yesterday that the Cowboys have met with Tak three times now; showing some real interest in him. Can anyone confirm?

Tak or Harris at 28?

Who ya got?

 

[Plankton]

FWIW, I'm pretty sure Bruglar said on the podcast yesterday that the Cowboys have met with Tak three times now; showing some real interest in him. Can anyone confirm?

Tak or Harris at 28?

Who ya got?

I would take McKinley because of his motor, speed off the edge, and strong upside that would come with improving his hand work (I would have him work with Randy White on arrival on martial arts techniques). That being said, I wouldn't have a problem with either player.

 

[tm1119]

How is the vert or press done differently? They allow springs in their sneakers and take weight off the bar?

The different track I can understand with running but a jump is a jump and lifting 250 lbs is lifting 250 lbs.

Common sense tells you that people have bad days and performance can vary. Maybe he was dehydrated, sick, low blood sugar, or something else.

I heard Brian Westbrook say in an interview that he ran a 37 instead of a 40 at his Villanova pro day. If you don't think pro days are designed for the player to get the best #'s possible you must best really naive. Like really? It's just a coincidence that no one has ever not done the same or worse at their pro day? Everyone just magically gets faster?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I heard Brian Westbrook say in an interview that he ran a 37 instead of a 40 at his Villanova pro day. If you don't think pro days are designed for the player to get the best #'s possible you must best really naive. Like really? It's just a coincidence that no one has ever not done the same or worse at their pro day? Everyone just magically gets faster?

People have done worse at their pro days. Still don't know how you cheat on a jump test or weights.

Some tracks are slower, some are faster I don't dispute and you can explain that by the nature of the turf they run on but they don't lighten weights and they don't change the length of an inch.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

People have done worse at their pro days. Still don't know how you cheat on a jump test or weights.

Some tracks are slower, some are faster I don't dispute and you can explain that by the nature of the turf they run on but they don't lighten weights and they don't change the length of an inch.

I already explained to you how bench press reps can be counted differently (and typically very liberally) by the school training staff's.

Once again, you claiming ignorance to the provided answer doesn't mean the answer wasn't provided.

You said "people have done worse at their pro days."

Go ahead. Name the people that have bombed their pro day in contrast to the numbers they put up at the Combine? Don't talk in made-up generalities. Be specific.

 

[gmoney112]

I already explained to you how bench press reps can be counted differently (and typically very liberally) by the school training staff's.

Once again, you claiming ignorance to the provided answer doesn't mean the answer wasn't provided.

You said "people have done worse at their pro days."

Go ahead. Name the people that have bombed their pro day in contrast to the numbers they put up at the Combine? Don't talk in made-up generalities. Be specific.

Honestly who cares about bench or 40. 40 times are usually where you see the home cooking.

I can't think of many guys that gained 6 inch in vert from their Pro day, which leads me to believe maybe he was just uncomfortable at the Combine for whatever reason. It's this huge spectacle that's basically a cattle auction in your underwear, not that surprising.

Everything I read said he looked much better at his Pro Day, which is all I care about.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I heard Brian Westbrook say in an interview that he ran a 37 instead of a 40 at his Villanova pro day. If you don't think pro days are designed for the player to get the best #'s possible you must best really naive. Like really? It's just a coincidence that no one has ever not done the same or worse at their pro day? Everyone just magically gets faster?

USC was notorious for their 38-yard 40s during the Pete Carroll era.

Schools have been known to slant the drills for their guys, this is not new. Scouts and NFL execs are aware of it. As far as the guy being more comfortable at home, give me the guy who can go on the road and give me his best. I don't want comfortable players, I want courageous ones.

 

[gmoney112]

USC was notorious for their 38-yard 40s during the Pete Carroll era.

Schools have been known to slant the drills for their guys, this is not new. Scouts and NFL execs are aware of it. As far as the guy being more comfortable at home, give me the guy who can go on the road and give me his best. I don't want comfortable players, I want courageous ones.

I didn't realize games were decided in your underwear next to a bunch of other dudes in their underwear, and a stopwatch.

As far as a guy who's been considered a 1st round pick based on his, you know, actual tape. I'm tempted to give him the benefit of the doubt over some ridiculous pissing contest.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Honestly who cares about bench or 40. 40 times are usually where you see the home cooking.

I can't think of many guys that gained 6 inch in vert from their Pro day, which leads me to believe maybe he was just uncomfortable at the Combine for whatever reason. It's this huge spectacle that's basically a cattle auction in your underwear, not that surprising.

Everything I read said he looked much better at his Pro Day, which is all I care about.

Well, my point wasn't to prop up bench press or broad jump as some gold standard, but rather that pro day numbers should be taken with a grain of salt generally.

There were no reports (at least that I know of) of Harris suffering from some injury coming into the Combine. I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be taking a guy that is so impacted by the bright lights that a simple athletic test like jumping straight into the air is impacted by half a foot? What's going to happen on Monday Night in front of 80,000 fans and he's got to read and react?

Beyond all that it's not even about Harris, just about putting stock in pro days numbers.

 

[gmoney112]

Well, point wasn't to prop up bench press or broad jump as some gold standard, but rather that pro day numbers should be taken with a grain of salt generally.

There were no reports (at least that I know of) of Harris suffering from some injury coming into the Combine. I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be taking a guy that is so impacted by the bright lights that a simple athletic test like jumping straight into the air is impacted by half a foot? What's going to happen on Monday Night in front of 80,000 fans and he's got to read and react?

Probably what happened on gameday that led to him being a pretty consensus 1st rounder.

Haha. And he still dominated LB drills, I think he was the best "DE" in those drills if my memory is correct, so it's not like he just blew the entire Combine. For whatever reason, he didn't test well there. Who knows.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Probably what happened on gameday that led to him being a pretty consensus 1st rounder.

Haha. And he still dominated LB drills, I think he was the best "DE" in those drills if my memory is correct, so it's not like he just blew the entire Combine. For whatever reason, he didn't test well there. Who knows.

I think he's best suited as a 34 OLB.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I didn't realize games were decided in your underwear next to a bunch of other dudes in their underwear, and a stopwatch.

As far as a guy who's been considered a 1st round pick based on his, you know, actual tape. I'm tempted to give him the benefit of the doubt over some ridiculous pissing contest.

What did I say that contradicted your statement that game film matters most? Every scout I have ever talked to says that their judgements of players are like 90% game film.

Charles Harris's game film isn't all that great by the way. Teams run right at him. He is good at getting outside of inferiorly athletic tackles. I personally think he struggles at the NFL level.

 

[Alexander]

FWIW, I'm pretty sure Bruglar said on the podcast yesterday that the Cowboys have met with Tak three times now; showing some real interest in him. Can anyone confirm?

Tak or Harris at 28?

Who ya got?

Probably neither depending on who else I could get. Neither one is ideal.

 

[reddyuta]

What did I say that contradicted your statement that game film matters most? Every scout I have ever talked to says that their judgements of players are like 90% game film.

Charles Harris's game film isn't all that great by the way. Teams run right at him. He is good at getting outside of inferiorly athletic tackles. I personally think he struggles at the NFL level.

I disagree with this this.He is not a great run defender but in our scheme all he has to do is pin his ears back and rush the passer and he excels at it.His first step is as good as Myles Garrett and he can turn the corner with the best of them.He uses his hands well ,he uses the spin move a lot but his technique is not very good..you are not getting Myless Garrett or Barnett at 28 .I could live with Harris at 28.

 

[tm1119]

I disagree with this this.He is not a great run defender but in our scheme all he has to do is pin his ears back and rush the passer and he excels at it.His first step is as good as Myles Garrett and he can turn the corner with the best of them.He uses his hands well ,he uses the spin move a lot but his technique is not very good..you are not getting Myless Garrett or Barnett at 28 .I could live with Harris at 28.

Not even remotely true

 

[gmoney112]

What did I say that contradicted your statement that game film matters most? Every scout I have ever talked to says that their judgements of players are like 90% game film.

Charles Harris's game film isn't all that great by the way. Teams run right at him. He is good at getting outside of inferiorly athletic tackles. I personally think he struggles at the NFL level.

I dunno you kinda implied it when you brought up the "if he can't do it on the road" line, kinda irrelevant if you think film matters most. No worries.

I don't really have the time to watch tape on everybody but he's not the first guy that'd have problems in run defense early in his career. From what i've gathered, and i usually consolidate a whole bunch of resources when it's a guy we might seriously target, he's a natural rusher. Like reddy said, he's got a knack for anticipating snap counts which is football smart, and he's already got some tools to work with.

I really wasn't his biggest fan until I dug into a lot of stuff, now I could live with with the pick. I think he'll be pretty good. Maybe even really good.

I think he's best suited as a 34 OLB.

Probably. I think his LB drills probs confirmed he'll go before us to a 3-4 team.

 

[reddyuta]

Not even remotely true

I should have been more clear,i meant on passing downs.I do agree that Takk and Harris will not be a 3 down De atleast in their first season if Lawrence is healthy.