Chris Brown Suffers Broken Foot

[Hoofbite]

Probably makes it tough to, "run it, run it".

 

[Idgit]

I wouldn't call the WR position loaded.

You have one stud - Bryant
One slot guy - Beasley
One enigma - Williams

And then a guy people gush about that hasn't really shown much at all in Butler and a guy that people aren't even sure is going to be on the team in Street.

'Loaded' is a relative word, but we're pretty deep at WR as far as the typical Dallas training camp group goes. Say what you want about the WR2 and WR3s here, but they're both solid players. Williams is not an enigma, he's just not a WR1. But then nobody should have expected him to perform like a WR1 when Dez and Tony went down, anyway. Anybody who did was not being realistic. It goes without saying that Dez is one of the best at his position in the entire league.

For a WR4, Butler's an intriguing player. Lucky needs to work on his routes significantly, but he's got the speed to make special plays in the right situation. For a 2nd year player, he's about where you'd want him. Andy Jones and the rest of the CFAs are playing pretty well. Pushing Street and Mehle who both have a bit of experience. There's a reason why Tony said this is the deepest corps of WRs we've had in years in his interview last week.

 

[Idgit]

Our WR corps is so average beyond Bryant that I was totally on board using a 2nd round pick on a WR if a guy like Treadwell or Doctson fell to that spot.

A lot of us were. In part because both Williams and Butler are going to be FAs in the offseason and it takes a year to get the position down.

 

[AbeBeta]

Once Bryant went out last year with an injury, you saw how limited this group was. It's very top heavy in terms of ability.

Gee, didn't Romo go down too? That might have had something to do with it

 

[Sydla]

'Loaded' is a relative word, but we're pretty deep at WR as far as the typical Dallas training camp group goes. Say what you want about the WR2 and WR3s here, but they're both solid players. Williams is not an enigma, he's just not a WR1. But then nobody should have expected him to perform like a WR1 when Dez and Tony went down, anyway. Anybody who did was not being realistic. It goes without saying that Dez is one of the best at his position in the entire league.

For a WR4, Butler's an intriguing player. Lucky needs to work on his routes significantly, but he's got the speed to make special plays in the right situation. For a 2nd year player, he's about where you'd want him. Andy Jones and the rest of the CFAs are playing pretty well. Pushing Street and Mehle who both have a bit of experience. There's a reason why Tony said this is the deepest corps of WRs we've had in years in his interview last week.

It's not that relative of a term. This WR corps is not "loaded".

 

[Idgit]

It's not that relative of a term. This WR corps is not "loaded".

Do you prefer the term 'deep' to the term loaded? That works for me.

Romo: “We’re As Deep At The WR Position As We’ve Been In A Long Time”

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2016/08/11/romo-“we’re-deep-wr-position-we’ve-been-long-time”
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Either way, you can't really blame a fan for seeing the games, hearing the starting QB say it, and then repeating it on a message board. I know we want to divide any enthusiasm by two to get the appropriate level of cynicism so we don't look excited or anything, but sometimes deep is deep enough.

 

[Sydla]

Do you prefer the term 'deep' to the term loaded? That works for me.

Romo: “We’re As Deep At The WR Position As We’ve Been In A Long Time”

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2016/08/11/romo-“we’re-deep-wr-position-we’ve-been-long-time”
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Either way, you can't really blame a fan for seeing the games, hearing the starting QB say it, and then repeating it on a message board. I know we want to divide any enthusiasm by two to get the appropriate level of cynicism so we don't look excited or anything, but sometimes deep is deep enough.

You can call it whatever you want but I was only responding to a poster who called our WR group "loaded".

They are not.

Jacksonville has a loaded WR corps with Hurd, Robinson, Lee

Skins could have a loaded WR corps with Garcon, Jackson, Crowder and then Doctson

Cards have a loaded WR corps with Floyd, Fitzgerald and Brown

 

[Idgit]

You can call it whatever you want but I was only responding to a poster who called our WR group "loaded".

They are not.

Jacksonville has a loaded WR corps with Hurd, Robinson, Lee

Skins could have a loaded WR corps with Garcon, Jackson, Crowder and then Doctson

Cards have a loaded WR corps with Floyd, Fitzgerald and Brown

You should tweet that to Tony and let him know your take. Perhaps he'll edit his quote once he knows.

In any event, the post you replied to was using 'loaded' relative to our own roster, saying Brown was unlikely to make it given the relative depth there this season. Not really anything to complain about there. He wasn't saying we had the most 'loaded' WR corps in the league, so it doesn't matter if other teams are likely to have more relative talent there than we happen to. He said we're relatively deep there compared to some teams who are not, which is why having the guy on IR is not the end of the world. He's right.

 

[Sydla]

You should tweet that to Tony and let him know your take. Perhaps he'll edit his quote once he knows.

In any event, the post you replied to was using 'loaded' relative to our own roster, saying Brown was unlikely to make it given the relative depth there this season. Not really anything to complain about there. He wasn't saying we had the most 'loaded' WR corps in the league, so it doesn't matter if other teams are likely to have more relative talent there than we happen to. He said we're relatively deep there compared to some teams who are not, which is why having the guy on IR is not the end of the world. He's right.

Except to understand what is or is not quality depth, you have to also view what you have relative to what other teams also show at the position.

Fact is, we do not have the depth at WR other teams have. So to say our depth is great or we are "loaded" is simply an overstatement of the situation at WR for us.

Now, our WR depth isn't awful. Look to Philly for what an awful WR depth chart looks like. But ours isn't "deep" or loaded by any stretch.

And the reason Chris Brown isn't making the team isn't because the #4 and #5 WRs are so good for us. He's not making the team because he's a raw WR that needs work and hence he can't beat out what really are dime a dozen WRs sitting in our 4th and 5th WR spots (granted, Whitehead has more value since he's a returner).

 

[Idgit]

Except to understand what is or is not quality depth, you have to also view what you have relative to what other teams also show at the position.

Fact is, we do not have the depth at WR other teams have. So to say our depth is great or we are "loaded" is simply an overstatement of the situation at WR for us. I am not sure why you struggle at times to admit pretty obvious things that tend to not be as positive as you would hope. Our WR depth isn't awful. Look to Philly for what an awful WR depth chart looks like. But ours isn't "deep" or loaded by any stretch.

Not sure what point you're trying to make here. The only point Knotamus made was that the WR corps here in camp was deep enough that the IR might not be a bad thing for Brown. That's pretty cut and dried.

You're trying to make it a comparison of relative depth to the deepest WR teams in the league for some reason. But that's not what he said, that's not what 'loaded' means. Nobody ever said there weren't teams that weren't 'deeper' or 'more loaded' elsewhere. I pointed out that he was right, you were going down an unnecessary path, and that the starting QB just said this week that exactly what Knotamus said was, in fact, true.

You could handle this by just saying 'yeah, IR might not be the worst thing for Brown in this situation,' or you could try to make it seem like Knotamus and I are being overly positive by pointing out the exceedingly obvious. It doesn't change the fact that Brown was going to have a hard time finding a spot in this WR group and that IR might not be that bad a thing for him in this case, or for us for the short term.

 

[BHendri5]

All of you are nuts, Chris Brown would have made the team easily

 

[Sydla]

Not sure what point you're trying to make here. The only point Knotamus made was that the WR corps here in camp was deep enough that the IR might not be a bad thing for Brown. That's pretty cut and dried.

You're trying to make it a comparison of relative depth to the deepest WR teams in the league for some reason. But that's not what he said, that's not what 'loaded' means. Nobody ever said there weren't teams that weren't 'deeper' or 'more loaded' elsewhere. I pointed out that he was right, you were going down an unnecessary path, and that the starting QB just said this week that exactly what Knotamus said was, in fact, true.

You could handle this by just saying 'yeah, IR might not be the worst thing for Brown in this situation,' or you could try to make it seem like Knotamus and I are being overly positive by pointing out the exceedingly obvious. It doesn't change the fact that Brown was going to have a hard time finding a spot in this WR group and that IR might not be that bad a thing for him in this case, or for us for the short term.

It's pretty obvious what the point is. "Depth" is relative when compared to other teams in the league. Without that, every team that has 5 warm bodies at WR could claim they have "depth".

Brown was going to have a hard time finding a spot in this WR group because he's a raw WR that needed a lot of work. And I say that as a ND grad that saw every one of his college games live or on TV. I hope he latches onto the PS because I think in time he might develop into a decent 4th or 5th option.

But he didn't not make the team because we are really deep or loaded at WR.

When someone uses the word "loaded", I don't think it means, "hey, we have some decent depth here" like you are trying to massage it into.

Using that logic, the Eagles are "loaded" at QB.

 

[Idgit]

It's pretty obvious what the point is. "Depth" is relative when compared to other teams in the league. Without that, every team that has 5 warm bodies at WR could claim they have "depth".

Brown was going to have a hard time finding a spot in this WR group because he's a raw WR that needed a lot of work. And I say that as a ND grad that saw every one of his college games live or on TV. I hope he latches onto the PS because I think in time he might develop into a decent 4th or 5th option.

But he didn't not make the team because we are really deep or loaded at WR.

When someone uses the word "loaded", I don't think it means, "hey, we have some decent depth here" like you are trying to massage it into.

Using that logic, the Eagles are "loaded" at QB.

The context from his post was clear. And it was in keeping with what the players are saying when talking to the press.

You'd have preferred a different adjective, fine. I'm not massaging anything. I'm explaining that he was right in what he said and that your criticism was off-base and not relevant to his point.

In any event, it's a minor point re: a marginal roster player, and it doesn't deserve this amount of back and forth. He wasn't going to make the squad. Now he's hurt, that might buy him some more time. Either way he wasn't showing enough in camp for me to be overly concerned about him. I liked Eagan better, anyway, and he was already released.

 

[Knotamus]

I wouldn't call the WR position loaded.

You have one stud - Bryant
One slot guy - Beasley
One enigma - Williams

And then a guy people gush about that hasn't really shown much at all in Butler and a guy that people aren't even sure is going to be on the team in Street.

I understand your point, but we're only going to be keeping 5, maybe 6 receivers. As you stated the first three are locks and all indications are they'll be a pretty dynamic trio. Add Butler who I can't see them let walk.. And Lucky White.. We'll I just say it wasn't looking good for Brown. Next year looks better depending on what they do with free agency and the draft.

 

[silver]

Hopefully we stash him on IR and has a full off-season of weight training and could be something next year.

 

[Knotamus]

Hopefully we stash him on IR and has a full off-season of weight training and could be something next year.

^^^ This is exactly what I was saying

 

[Risen Star]

WR is a team weakness. One injury to Bryant and it all unravels.

I was hopeful on Brown. I think he's a better prospect than Street.

 

[Plankton]

WR is a team weakness. One injury to Bryant and it all unravels.

I was hopeful on Brown. I think he's a better prospect than Street.

Brown is physically weak, and would have a hard time getting off of jams and press coverage. He needs to get a lot stronger, or he would get thrown around at this level.

 

[Risen Star]

Brown is physically weak, and would have a hard time getting off of jams and press coverage. He needs to get a lot stronger, or he would get thrown around at this level.

And Street has no speed or quickness. He could cycle steroids and he still isn't separating in this league.

 

[Plankton]

And Street has no speed or quickness. He could cycle steroids and he still isn't separating in this league.

You don't have any argument from me on Street's limitations. I would have hoped that he would have improved his quickness after being in an NFL strength and conditioning program for two years. It's just that the Chris Brown of today is too slight to be effective at this level. Brown needs time in the weight room.