Chris Johnson = Marion Barber w/ more home-run speed

[FuzzyLumpkins]

i mean more specific thant hat. Also I am not the only one that thinks he runs around the 4.7 - 4.8 range. Those clips were just one thing that i looked at as well as a few drat sites and the guy had the reputation for a long time of always getting caught from behind. Like i said well see.

this is the same site that came up with Stanbacks numbers after all.

hmmmm

 

[theogt]

hmmmm

thats salient from that site. probably will be brought up as your excuse when he runs a 4.8.

hmmmmm indeed.

By the way, he didn't finish running at the Combine because he had some sort of problem with his knee.

 

[Sarge]

Actually, they don't report him as a 4.57, they report him as a 4.73, and no you had him pegged in the 4.8s.

I agree.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

hmmmmm indeed.

Wow i said he would run from a 4.7 to 4.8. That means I wouldn't be surprised if he ran a 4.8. That means the two are not mutually exclusive. You said I had him at above 4.8 which I never said.

I know youre too classless to give me props for calling it right so again I am done with you.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He's obviously not a "weak runner" and I haven't seen anyone claim that.

you didn't see wayne_motley claim that the ECU coaches thought about moving him to WR because they felt he was soft? or that he bounced runs outside because he didnt' like running inside?

and you, yourself claimed not too long ago that he'll probably be moving to WR

But you don't really see him run up the middle much at all, which really should give you hesitation as to whether he as the ability to do it in the NFL. It doesn't mean he can't, but it certainly ups the risk level a bit, which drops his value.

I haven't seen a scouting service knock him for his inside running ability, which means it's a pretty good bet that he ran inside enough times, and well enough, to show that it wasn't a glaring inefficiency

His balance and cutting ability does seem pretty poor, though. That's not really up for debate. The question is, can his speed and "power" make up for that.

you can improve your balance, just run w/ a lower pad level, and he has the frame to add a few more pounds to get a wider base, I think he cuts decently enough, he's not Gale Sayers by any stetch of the imagination, but that's just one man's opinion

and what is this theo? from the link in the OP

Shows good athletic agility and vision, doing a nice job of planting and driving to reach the cutback lanes, showing excellent lateral movement and explosion

and this

Has the quickness and burst in and out of his cuts to take the ball long distances, whether running, returning or catching the ball

I think the skills that he already possesses bodes well for him: speed, burst, 2nd gear, cutting ability, upper body strength, and versatility

 

[theogt]

Whatever. i saw him stone many a LB. i still think its funny that youre trying to tout that the guy who was front and center in the wedge cannot block but you keep thinking that. Im going to laugh when schmitt runs his 4.8 and goes in the middle rounds.

Hmmmm

Funny thing is, if you take the 5 estimated times reported by National/BLESTO before the Combine, they average out to 4.706 which is pretty darn close to 4.73. But of course, those organizations don't exist and we're all liars.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you didn't see wayne_motley claim that the ECU coaches thought about moving him to WR because they felt he was soft? or that he bounced runs outside because he didnt' like running inside?



I haven't seen a scouting service knock him for his inside running ability, which means it's a pretty good bet that he ran inside enough times, and well enough, to show that it wasn't a glaring inefficiency



you can improve your balance, just run w/ a lower pad level, and he has the frame to add a few more pounds to get a wider base, I think he cuts decently enough, he's not Gale Sayers by any stetch of the imagination, but that's just one man's opinion

I think the skills that he already possesses bodes well for him: speed, burst, 2nd gear, one-stop cutting ability, upper body strength, and versatility

If hes seen 2 ECU games Id be stunned.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hmmmm

Funny thing is, if you take the 5 estimated times reported by National/BLESTO before the Combine, they average out to 4.706 which is pretty darn close to 4.73. But of course, those organizations don't exist and we're all liars.

Dude some times were reported more than others so again youd be wrong. But thats not the point.

I said that he would run between a 4.7 and 4.8 and you were saying a 4.6. You are completely classless and I see taking you off ignore was a mistake.

 

[theogt]

you didn't see wayne_motley claim that the ECU coaches thought about moving him to WR because they felt he was soft? or that he bounced runs outside because he didnt' like running inside?

and you, yourself claimed not too long ago that he'll probably be moving to WR

I never claimed that he would probably move to WR. And he does bounce outside more often than not, so while he may run with power, he may not have the mental toughness to run inside.

I haven't seen a scouting service knock him for his inside running ability, which means it's a pretty good bet that he ran inside enough times, and well enough, to show that it wasn't a glaring inefficiency

Your evidence that he is a good inside runner is that you haven't read a scouting report that says he isn't? That doesn't make any sense at all.

you can improve your balance, just run w/ a lower pad level, and he has the frame to add a few more pounds to get a wider base, I think he cuts decently enough, he's not Gale Sayers by any stetch of the imagination, but that's just one man's opinion

I think the skills that he already possesses bodes well for him: speed, burst, 2nd gear, one-stop cutting ability, upper body strength, and versatility

Eh...we'll see. I doubt that his negatives outweigh his positives in the end.

 

[theogt]

Dude some times were reported more than others so again youd be wrong. But thats not the point.

I said that he would run between a 4.7 and 4.8 and you were saying a 4.6. You are completely classless and I see taking you off ignore was a mistake.

Where did I say he'd run a 4.6? And you said twice in that thread that he'd run a 4.8. You were wrong. Sorry. You should be used to it though.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If hes seen 2 ECU games Id be stunned.

hell, I'd be stunned if most people living outside of North Carolina saw more than 2 ECU games

I didn't see any, that's why I rely on the scouts and the little that is available on highlights, but mainly I rely on the scouting services

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

CJ strikes me as a player who is all speed but no substance. He accumulated a lot of yards this year but the majority was against poor schools. Also, to be a Senior, this was his one really productive year, wereas Rice had a great sophomore year and lit it up against top teams this year. IMO, CJ will be drafted on 40 time alone and is that what you want deciding your draft pick?

 

[theogt]

youre the one babbling about what an athlete Schmitt is but the dude runs a 4.8

Three times.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I never claimed that he would probably move to WR.

yeah, you did, I remember every stupid thing you say

And he does bounce outside more often than not, so while he may run with power, he may not have the mental toughness to run inside.

again, from NFLDraftScout

shows the power, leg drive and desire to run between the tackles

I think it's safe to put away this myth that CJ is afraid to and is unsuccessful running inside

Your evidence that he is a good inside runner is that you haven't read a scouting report that says he isn't? That doesn't make any sense at all.

if it's not listed as a negative, then it stands good reason to believe that running inside isn't a quality he lacks, or that he isn't good at, which is what you're claiming

Eh...we'll see. I doubt that his negatives outweigh his positives in the end.

guess we'll see then

 

[theogt]

yeah, you did, I remember every stupid thing you say

I probably said he might. I don't think I'd say it was probable.

again, from NFLDraftScout

shows the power, leg drive and desire to run between the tackles

I think it's safe to put away this myth that CJ is afraid to and is unsuccessful running inside

I agree that he has the power to, but I don't know if he has the will to, or the lateral agility to run inside the tackles.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

CJ strikes me as a player who is all speed but no substance. He accumulated a lot of yards this year but the majority was against poor schools. Also, to be a Senior, this was his one really productive year, wereas Rice had a great sophomore year and lit it up against top teams this year. IMO, CJ will be drafted on 40 time alone and is that what you want deciding your draft pick?

he'll be drafted because he's the most versatile player in this draft, who lead the entire NCAA in all-purpose yards, while ranking in the top 25 in rushing as well

see theo, what I mean by ignorance?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I probably said he might. I don't think I'd say it was probable.

and it was stupid just the same:

but seriously, you only entertain those thoughts if you think he's too soft as a runner

I agree that he has the power to, but I don't know if he has the will to, or the lateral agility to run inside the tackles.

I haven't seen any evidence of where he lacks agility, and we'll never know about his will

 

[theogt]

and it was stupid just the same:

but seriously, you only entertain those thoughts if you think he's too soft as a runner

I don't think it's stupid at all. It's mentioned quite a bit, actually, and it'd be a better use of his speed.

I haven't seen any evidence of where he lacks agility, and we'll never know about his will

Watch the clips of him. He lacks the agility of a top notch RB in the NFL. That's not really up for debate. As for the will, we don't know that he does have it. That's the problem. We know that Mendenhall has it. We know that Rice has it. We know that Choice has it. It's the unknowns that create risk.

 

[Biggems]

who cares if Schmitt runs a 4.8..........I would draft him. He is the most complete FB in the draft. He can bring it like a train when blocking in the running game. He can power through defenses when running the ball. He has very good hands and can catch it and then treat the secondary like a bunch of bowling pins.....He can also punt. He has a high motor and loves to put a hurtin on opposing offenses......

I definitely hope the Schmitt ends up wearing a Star after draft weekend. Schmitt and Cricket would make a great FB tandem. And on goalline situations, you could even line Schmitt up as a TE and have Cricket lead block....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't think it's stupid at all. It's mentioned quite a bit, actually, and it'd be a better use of his speed.

mentioned by whom?

Watch the clips of him. He lacks the agility of a top notch RB in the NFL. That's not really up for debate.

yeah it is if people who have seen more of him than us, and are respected for their analytical ability says that he does

As for the will, we don't know that he does have it. That's the problem. We know that Mendenhall has it. We know that Rice has it. We know that Choice has it. It's the unknowns that create risk.

all backs run inside, but will is an intangible, the only person who knows about the will of anyone is the person himself, or those who come in direct contact w/ him

CJ runs inside

shows reputable scouts that he's willing to

the only person in doubt is you