Christian McCafferry Sitting there at 32

[AzorAhai]

I just don't see this happening.

That late in 1st round (basically the 2nd round) the tiers of essentially equally rated players gets wider.
They would take a player in the same tier group but where we had a greater need.

BPA is not an absolute thing at all. Players are usually in general groupings. That's where need (and common sense) comes into play.

Don't tell that to most here. They act like BPA is a broad, blind and absolute of always picking the highest player regardless of the roster composition. If they would stop to think about it for even a second, it's utter nonsense to even think that is a reasonable thing.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

To answer the OP, I would be irate. If you use him enough to ever justify the pick, you waste Zeke. If you don't use him enough to justify it, you've wasted that pick.

New England finds a way to use multiple slot guys all over the place, so I don't see why we should assume McCaffery would be wasted here. He *can* get a bunch of touches at RB, but he can also play the slot and I don't see why we can't have Zeke at RB, Dez at one WR spot, Beasley at another and McCaffery at another.

 

[AzorAhai]

New England finds a way to use multiple slot guys all over the place, so I don't see why we should assume McCaffery would be wasted here. He *can* get a bunch of touches at RB, but he can also play the slot and I don't see why we can't have Zeke at RB, Dez at one WR spot, Beasley at another and McCaffery at another.

You already stated a 100 touches, mostly out of as a RB plus KR/PR duties is worth a 1st Rd pick. In no way will I ever agree with that. You don't find touches for a player at the expense of a top 3 RB and one of the top slot receivers who are already on the roster. I'm sorry, but 7 touches a game and PR/KR is nowhere close to worthy of a 1st Rd pick. He doesn't have a place on this team at his draft slot.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You already stated a 100 touches, mostly out of as a RB plus KR/PR duties is worth a 1st Rd pick.

Also as a WR

In no way will I ever agree with that. You don't find touches for a player at the expense of a top 3 RB and one of the top slot receivers who are already on the roster.

Yet New England finds ways to use multiple slot WRs at the same time, really not an either or imo.

I'm sorry, but 7 touches a game and PR/KR is nowhere close to worthy of a 1st Rd pick. He doesn't have a place on this team at his draft slot.

The 100 touches I gave you really only included guys that are expendable, Morris, McFadden, Dunbar and Whitehead. On top of that, it's very doubtful that Terrence Williams will be resigned, I just don't see how people can assume that this offense couldn't use a player of McCaffery's skills.

 

[joseephuss]

I can easily see him being a pro bowler in New England despite them having Edleman and Amendola. I'd take McCaffery or OJ Howard and figure out the defense later.

How does Amendola factor into your opinion? He has done very little during his time in New England.

 

[AzorAhai]

Also as a WR



Yet New England finds ways to use multiple slot WRs at the same time, really not an either or imo.



The 100 touches I gave you really only included guys that are expendable, Morris, McFadden, Dunbar and Whitehead. On top of that, it's very doubtful that Terrence Williams will be resigned, I just don't see how people can assume that this offense couldn't use a player of McCaffery's skills.

This isn't New England and Garrett isn't wearing a hoodie anytime soon. We aren't going to agree on this. Sorry.

 

[AzorAhai]

How does Amendola factor into your opinion? He has done very little during his time in New England.

Lol 23 for 223.

 

[Nightman]

No freakin way.....sign a Cordarelle Patterson for hybrid WR/KR

Not a 1st rounder.........get a DE or CB

 

[The Realist]

Free agent after next year. He isn't getting a new deal, so yes.

You spoke to Stephen on this?

 

[darthseinfeld]

I love the broad, blind BPA stance so many cling to here. It obviously shows you both A: don't understand how BPA actually works and B: don't understand that absolutely no team in football blindly takes the BPA.

To answer the OP, I would be irate. If you use him enough to ever justify the pick, you waste Zeke. If you don't use him enough to justify it, you've wasted that pick.

They dont take a pure BPA approach as shown by some of there leaked boards. I dont think they will take a higher ranked player if there have no need for them. And especially if they have no use for them.

I also don't see them adding another first round salary to the HB position. I dont see there view of the position changing so dramaticly from 2015 that they would do that.

As McCafferry goes, love the player and I believe he could be worth a first rounder to someone. However his value isnt so high that you HAVE to take him at 26-32. He looks more like an early 2nd round grade to me.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Then that says more about our offensive coaches than it does the player/pick. The touches will be there, Alfred Morris, Lance Dunbar, Darren McFadden and Lucky Whitehead have 98 offensive touches right now, add to that the 23 or so punt returns and 15 kick returns and that could easily be worth a late first rounder.

IMO you need 250 touches to really justify that high of a pick on a HB . If you are going to use him extensively in the passing game (to the tune of 60 to 70 catches) maybe he gets that. But I dont see them using him that extensively with Beasley around

 

[darthseinfeld]

Also as a WR



Yet New England finds ways to use multiple slot WRs at the same time, really not an either or imo.



The 100 touches I gave you really only included guys that are expendable, Morris, McFadden, Dunbar and Whitehead. On top of that, it's very doubtful that Terrence Williams will be resigned, I just don't see how people can assume that this offense couldn't use a player of McCaffery's skills.

We dont utilize backs the same way NE does. We have been trying figure out how to use Dunbar for years now

 

[AzorAhai]

They dont take a pure BPA approach as shown by some of there leaked boards. I dont think they will take a higher ranked player if there have no need for them. And especially if they have no use for them.

I also don't see them adding another first round salary to the HB position. I dont see there view of the position changing so dramaticly from 2015 that they would do that.

As McCafferry goes, love the player and I believe he could be worth a first rounder to someone. However his value isnt so high that you HAVE to take him at 26-32. He looks more like an early 2nd round grade to me.

People ignore that. I absolutely hate the generalized "if he's the bpa I'd take him" crap. The Philadelphia 76ers tried that and ended up with 3 centers and nowhere to play them. Just listening to the idea should present a problem of what happens if the bpa is OL the entire draft? Or CB? Do you take 7 of them? Or do you actually do what 32 NFL teams do and take a player from a grouping?

These teams grade by numbers. At 32, say you have two players with an 85, one with an 84, two with an 83 and the next highest a 79. If that 79 is a DE, you probably shouldn't take them. If 85 is a RB and the 83's are DEs, you absolutely take the DE. I really don't understand why it's so hard to grasp. I guess it just sounds nice to constantly spout off bpa.

 

[darthseinfeld]

People ignore that. I absolutely hate the generalized "if he's the bpa I'd take him" crap. The Philadelphia 76ers tried that and ended up with 3 centers and nowhere to play them. Just listening to the idea should present a problem of what happens if the bpa is OL the entire draft? Or CB? Do you take 7 of them? Or do you actually do what 32 NFL teams do and take a player from a grouping?

These teams grade by numbers. At 32, say you have two players with an 85, one with an 84, two with an 83 and the next highest a 79. If that 79 is a DE, you probably shouldn't take them. If 85 is a RB and the 83's are DEs, you absolutely take the DE. I really don't understand why it's so hard to grasp. I guess it just sounds nice to constantly spout off bpa.

BTB has been really good at breaking down there process. Draft time is about the only time of year its a great read. If you look at visitis you will usually see groupings of about 3 or 4 position groups clustered. After that some rando prospects at others. 2011 it was OT's, DL and CB's. 2012 it was CB's and I dont remember. 2013 it was intirior OL, 2014 it was DL, and 2015, was kinda scattershot IRRC

 

[AzorAhai]

BTB has been really good at breaking down there process. Draft time is about the only time of year its a great read. If you look at visitis you will usually see groupings of about 3 or 4 position groups clustered. After that some rando prospects at others. 2011 it was OT's, DL and CB's. 2012 it was CB's and I dont remember. 2013 it was intirior OL, 2014 it was DL, and 2015, was kinda scattershot IRRC

Last years visits were very confusing. They had a ton of 1st Rd picks in. They also had several UDFA players in. I'm convinced they really didn't know if they were going to stay put, drop or completely bail on the pick.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Last years visits were very confusing. They had a ton of 1st Rd picks in. They also had several UDFA players in. I'm convinced they really didn't know if they were going to stay put, drop or completely bail on the pick.

They only I gathered from there visits is that they were thinking very heavily about the future of the QB position.

 

[stilltheguru88]

I love the broad, blind BPA stance so many cling to here. It obviously shows you both A: don't understand how BPA actually works and B: don't understand that absolutely no team in football blindly takes the BPA.

To answer the OP, I would be irate. If you use him enough to ever justify the pick, you waste Zeke. If you don't use him enough to justify it, you've wasted that pick.

THANK YOU. People think they're so smart regurgitating what they hear from draft hits. BPA BPA. Stop it! Common sense has to come into play. Mcaffrey being our first pick is just flat out dumb, and I don't care how high they have him rated.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

We dont utilize backs the same way NE does. We have been trying figure out how to use Dunbar for years now

I thought we like to bring him on obvious passing downs to tip our hands to the defense so they bring in the blitz forcing Dunbar to stay in and pass protect, neutralizing the point of even having him out there?

 

[darthseinfeld]

I thought we like to bring him on obvious passing downs to tip our hands to the defense so they bring in the blitz forcing Dunbar to stay in and pass protect, neutralizing the point of even having him out there?

Im hoping they add a pile leap on 3rd and long to his repertoire. Maybe thats why they would draft McCafferry. Better leaping ability

 

[CATCH17]

McCaffrey just isn't for us.


I'm sure he would be useful in the return game and probably be a good slot guy as well but this is a move for a team like the PAtriots.

Dallas needs defenders and a OT & TE on offense. Maybe a WR too.