Coach Joe had it right...

[gimmesix]

It's easier to find a Hawkins than a Holley; supposedly. I wish they'd just take them both to camp as they were the class of the group. I do agree McGann should have gotten another look. All he did was do as well as Holley. In the end I'd still take Holley for his upside over McGann. But I'd have put Hawkins out there in camp to see what he could do in the slot, SPs, STs, and PRs. He may have done well in KRs if someone taught him to take it upfield. He'll make a fine gunner as well. And we have no one with the quicks. I have always been against small guys. But the rule changes now make them difficult to cover and catch. Nothing like a roadrunner out there these days.

I agree that there are a lot of short, fast guys out there and few make it in the NFL. But it would have definitely been interesting to see if he could at least show flashes of being one of those guys.

Both of them showed enough to at least be camp bodies ... guys I'd rather see than giving another chance to Mike Jefferson even though they might not turn out to be any better than him.

If they do another 4th And Long next year, I wouldn't mind seeing Hawkins and McGann invited back to compete (but none of the others).

 

[Spectre]

The people crying because they think any discussion of it is "people crying over the results" makes me wish they would stay out of threads about it.

agreed.

and isn't it nice how those same guys who say "he wasn't good enough to make it" in the same sentence say "I didn't watch the show but..."?

that said, we all know Hawkins got shafted.
and so did the Cowboys as a result.

 

[yentl911]

There is nothing to say that the Cowboys couldn't bring in Hawkins later to compete for one of the ST return positions. As mentioned above, none of these players will probably make the team but I enjoyed watching the show and liked seeing some of the old Cowboys players and coaches interact with the players.

The thing is, sometimes you never know. Maybe, just maybe, Holley will surprise some people during camp and make the team. I know it is a long shot but stranger things have happened. I just hope that if he does make it it is due to his playing ability and not becuase of the show.

 

[NextGenBoys]

There is nothing to say that the Cowboys couldn't bring in Hawkins later to compete for one of the ST return positions. As mentioned above, none of these players will probably make the team but I enjoyed watching the show and liked seeing some of the old Cowboys players and coaches interact with the players.

The thing is, sometimes you never know. Maybe, just maybe, Holley will surprise some people during camp and make the team. I know it is a long shot but stranger things have happened. I just hope that if he does make it it is due to his playing ability and not becuase of the show.

He would REALLY have to surprise considering he's the exact same receiver as everyone on our roster.

He cant even play special teams. That's why the pick makes no sense. But whatever, hopefully we can find someone who is halfway dangerous to return punts.

 

[craig71]

I agree that 4.35 is 4.35 speed whether your running on a college team or a NFL team.However some of that speed will be mitigated in the NFL.Their are alot of guys in the legue that run sub 4.4 times.As for Coach Joe's remarks,I just don't know how to take em.I don't if they were his comments or the producers comments to create "effect" for the show.Any how it will be interesting as to how this pans out for Holley.I hope he makes it,but if he doesn't,oh well.

 

[AbeBeta]

yes, lets all argue about someone who is going to be in the first cut either way

 

[jobberone]

yes, lets all argue about someone who is going to be in the first cut either way

We agree a lot but not this time. While you may well be correct you don't know who is going to be cut, injured, traded, yada yada yada.

Holley has some size and speed along with the ability to catch the ball well. If he can get separation and put his body between them and the ball then he has a chance.

I'd rather see Stanback do well because he's more talented. But he can't stay healthy enough to show anything. Holley is as good as Hurd IMO. Hurd looks to be a permanent backup. I'd rather bring in new backups and hope someone gets a chance to make some plays.

The only thing better than a new ex-wife is a new starter. Drew Pearson and Bates came from nowhere and Holley is more athletic than either of those guys. Yes, even Drew didn't have his talent. Of course most of the team are more talented these days. Maybe we'll find someone with his heart and penchant to make big plays.

 

[BAT]

I agree that 4.35 is 4.35 speed whether your running on a college team or a NFL team.However some of that speed will be mitigated in the NFL.Their are alot of guys in the legue that run sub 4.4 times.As for Coach Joe's remarks,I just don't know how to take em.I don't if they were his comments or the producers comments to create "effect" for the show.Any how it will be interesting as to how this pans out for Holley.I hope he makes it,but if he doesn't,oh well.

You could be right, that Joe was directed to say something dramatic like that, and the old coach has always tended to the flamboyant.


But if you watched the end of the show closely, you could see that Hawkins was absolutely shocked that he wasn't picked. Also Joe could not look Hawkins in the eye, bowing his head in what looked like a bit of guilt/embarassment, and I don't think Joe's that good of an actor.

 

[speedkilz88]

They said during the show that McGann was just too raw. He was a semi-pro guy and was more of physical speciman that still didn't know how to be a wr. Think Todd Lowber. He was also timid inside the hashes against scrubs, what would he do against nfl caliber players?

 

[BAT]

They said during the show that McGann was just too raw. He was a semi-pro guy and was more of physical speciman that still didn't know how to be a wr. Think Todd Lowber. He was also timid inside the hashes against scrubs, what would he do against nfl caliber players?

And yet, when the lights came on, McGann still outplayed EVERY single WR on the show. If McGann was too raw, why did Washington last so long??? Isn't Holley, who has even less football experience, just as raw??

And the physical thing is BS, McGann lacked a fiery personality and Irvin saw him as weak, his play spoke for itself - even Jerry frikkin Rice said so.
And Mike assumed he was soft b/c he got tackled ONCE by Gamble, one of the better tacklers on the show (think he also missed a pass on an inside slant but when Holley drops passes he is not even called out for his crappy hands). Why wasn't Washington (final 4) considered soft when he repeatedly got destroyed by Hawkins?? Because Washington had size that's why, there was an obvious bias towards height over production, which was a disservice to the Cowboys IMO.

 

[craig71]

You could be right, that Joe was directed to say something dramatic like that, and the old coach has always tended to the flamboyant.


But if you watched the end of the show closely, you could see that Hawkins was absolutely shocked that he wasn't picked. Also Joe could not look Hawkins in the eye, bowing his head in what looked like a bit of guilt/embarassment, and I don't think Joe's that good of an actor.

I didn't catch Joe not making eye contact with Hawkins in the last segment of the series.You can tell alot by someones body language they say,I know a prosecutor who swears by it.

Craig

 

[gimmesix]

We agree a lot but not this time. While you may well be correct you don't know who is going to be cut, injured, traded, yada yada yada.

Holley has some size and speed along with the ability to catch the ball well. If he can get separation and put his body between them and the ball then he has a chance.

I'd rather see Stanback do well because he's more talented. But he can't stay healthy enough to show anything. Holley is as good as Hurd IMO. Hurd looks to be a permanent backup. I'd rather bring in new backups and hope someone gets a chance to make some plays.

The only thing better than a new ex-wife is a new starter. Drew Pearson and Bates came from nowhere and Holley is more athletic than either of those guys. Yes, even Drew didn't have his talent. Of course most of the team are more talented these days. Maybe we'll find someone with his heart and penchant to make big plays.

Holley already has shown that he's good enough to make it to a team's final cut and onto its practice squad. He might not be able to do that here, but we just don't know.

Someone was saying one of the things that hurt him when he was with the Bengals is that he didn't show good hands. I thought that was one of his strengths in this competition (although it's possible they purposely didn't show his drops), so maybe he's improved in that area.

I still think special teams is what's going to cost him in the end, but I don't think he will look bad as a backup receiver going against backup corners. Possibly even better than the rookies we brought in, in that regard.

 

[gimmesix]

They said during the show that McGann was just too raw. He was a semi-pro guy and was more of physical speciman that still didn't know how to be a wr. Think Todd Lowber. He was also timid inside the hashes against scrubs, what would he do against nfl caliber players?

He really looked like he knew what he was doing in that game, but they did show one play where he didn't go across the middle and said it still showed he wasn't physical enough for his size.

I didn't see that, though, in the rest of his play. He looked like he was fine with being physical, but again, we didn't see everything that Irvin and Co. did.

I just thought he showed some outstanding skills against scrubs, and probably would make a better practice squad candidate as a receiver than any of the others because he appears to have so much upside.

For immediate roster competition, I would have liked to have Hawkins. For future considerations, McGann.

 

[jobberone]

Holley already has shown that he's good enough to make it to a team's final cut and onto its practice squad. He might not be able to do that here, but we just don't know.

Someone was saying one of the things that hurt him when he was with the Bengals is that he didn't show good hands. I thought that was one of his strengths in this competition (although it's possible they purposely didn't show his drops), so maybe he's improved in that area.

I still think special teams is what's going to cost him in the end, but I don't think he will look bad as a backup receiver going against backup corners. Possibly even better than the rookies we brought in, in that regard.

I agree although he should be able to be a gunner at least on punts and play on kickoffs as well. That's enough for STs but not enough to make the team. Again he looks as good as Hurd. There is more to playing WR than just beating the CBs. They have to make hot reads and know what route to run in the tree.

 

[gimmesix]

I agree although he should be able to be a gunner at least on punts and play on kickoffs as well.

It will surprise me if he gets any consideration for a gunner position. That's usually reserved for speed guys who can get down the field in a hurry to get to the return man before he has a chance to get going.

Holley isn't devoid of speed, but he doesn't appear to have enough for that position.

He should get a chance to cover kicks and be a blocker on kick returns, though, but it will surprise me if he's better than what we've got in those areas.

 

[RoadRunner]

If Hawkins was so awesome then why didn't some other NFL team pick him up? You guys act like we passed on Jerry Rice and Randy Moss again.

 

[BAT]

If Hawkins was so awesome then why didn't some other NFL team pick him up? You guys act like we passed on Jerry Rice and Randy Moss again.

The Cowboys coveted Jerry Rice, they did not pass on him.

 

[DallasDomination]

Even though I dont think Holley will do much,Hawkins wouldnt of done any better....

 

[mwj473]

All of this talk about Hawkins Special Team abilities and no one has mentioned his fumble on the last kick-off? That happened at the most critical point of the game (If you call it a game).

That hurt his special team cause big time.

Does he even play Special Teams on his CFL team?

 

[Biggems]

Who gives a rats about some reality show scrub. We have enough WRs that it didn't matter who won the darn contest.

No way does any of these guys beat out Roy, Crayton, Austin, or Hurd for sure.

I have almost no doubt that they would get cut before Ogletree, Wilson, Johnson, and even that scrub Stanback.