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Coaching change doesn't change results for Dallas Cowboys

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Diehardblues, Sep 19, 2020.

  1. Northern_Cowboy

    Northern_Cowboy Well-Known Member

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    If we are lucky we are going to start off the season 1-2 (beating the Falcons on Sunday), but at this point 0-3 is a real possibility
     
  2. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    LOL. Nine and a half years vs one game.
     
  3. Diehardblues

    Diehardblues Well-Known Member

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    Coaching has been a concern longer than 10 years. Along with our front office and talent weaknesses.

    We all were waiting to see how much impact more proven coaching would impact us. And after Week 1 the results would argue, not much if any.
     
  4. Diehardblues

    Diehardblues Well-Known Member

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    That’s not the message here at all. I’d encourage reading the article not just the title.
     
  5. Swagger

    Swagger Well-Known Member

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    That's fair and to be honest I do agree. I didn't consider McCarthy to be anything special when he was appointed. His coaching in the Packers' defeat vs the Seahawks was just incompetent. I also agree that whilst Jerry is the GM will anything REALLY change?

    But it has only been one game so let's see...
     
  6. acr731

    acr731 Well-Known Member

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    Hey Greg, do you still sleep in your Jason Garrett underoos?

    You miss dude..... just admit it.
     
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  7. stasheroo

    stasheroo Well-Known Member

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    Say it a million times, doesn't make it true.

    Mike McCarthy is a Super Bowl winning coach. That's forever on his resume and list of credentials. You can't take it away, no matter how badly you'd clearly like to.

    And you were clearly 100% wrong. It's about time you admit it.
     
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  8. PAPPYDOG

    PAPPYDOG "It was a catchable pass" Zone Supporter

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    You forgot to mention the 31 million dollar man......you know the guy who holds on to the ball more than anyone and is the leader of our offense!
     
  9. Diehardblues

    Diehardblues Well-Known Member

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    An opinion doesn’t have to be true. How did that apply when Parcells was here. Did we feel better about our lack of success with him?

    And it’s still left to be determined if McCarthy is anymore than the Puppets we’ve had including Bills tenure which most would argue he wasn’t a puppet but was still impacted by Jerry’s meddling. And could still be a concern now.

    Hiring a proven HC doesn’t necessarily mean the puppetry or meddling has ceased. Jerry’s intent to retain Moore is a perfect example .
     
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  10. Buzzbait

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    Yes you would. You've argued and made excuses for JG for 10 years and apparently it'll never end.
     
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  11. stasheroo

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    Then it's delusion, not "opinion".

    Pretty well, considering he took a talentless 5-11 team and built it to the 13-3 team that Phillips inherited.

    Not stopping you from jumping the gun after one week. Agenda on parade.

    No it isn't. More of your agenda on display, thinking that Jerry forced McCarthy to keep Moore. That's false. Fact is McCarthy was praising Moore's playcalling before he ever spoke with Jones. Destroys another attempted agenda.
     
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  12. TheSkaven

    TheSkaven Last Man Standing Zone Supporter

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    You mean Tampa. Well if you did plan a trip to Miami, it’s only a 4 hour drive. Not that bad, I’ve done it.

    No, there’s no reason to panic @jazzcat22 but there is ample reason for concern. The conservative play-calling, maybe it’s was Kellen Moore after all? Presnap motion? Gone. No adjustments to protect Dak after Aaron Donald made Zack Martin his perra.

    You’re not going to convince me that this is a team devoid of talent. Coaching was the problem, and unfortunately it looks like it still is.

    Great coaches are humble enough to learn from their mistakes and make adjustments. I think it was Andy Reid who went years without losing back to back games.

    The Falcons are not championship caliber, but they’re a middle of the pack decent team. The Cowboys have them at home. If they blow this game, and especially if they blow it because of the game plan and lack of adjustments, well yeah I might just be reaching for the panic button.
     
  13. Diehardblues

    Diehardblues Well-Known Member

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    I enjoyed defending our Greatest Puppet against Lynch Mob. He obviously had some coaching flaws but he held this franchise together on the most part while influencing better drafts overall at least offensively and I believe the best culture in last 25 years. Unfortunately it wasn’t enough as more success was needed to sustain.

    He and his families history with the Cowboys going back to Landry, Jimmy while being an exCowboy provided much for me to root for.

    I can’t imagine why more fans didn’t support what he was trying to accomplish despite his inexperience, limitations and obstacles with our dysfunctional ownership.
     
  14. Diehardblues

    Diehardblues Well-Known Member

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    Jerry stipulated retaining Moore. Of course he did. He openly said as much. Doesn’t matter if McCarthy likes him.

    This was only a assessment after Week 1 results. Obviously you only read the title.

    I agree that Bill built a better team but ultimately the results weren’t any better than Garrett’s.

    I’m not sure you comprehend what an opinion is?
     
  15. cern

    cern Well-Known Member

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    i hereby nominate you for the captain obvious award for week one. do we still make soap boxes?
     
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  16. Chocolate Lab

    Chocolate Lab Run-loving Dino

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    When did he say that?

    Wasn't it just last week Troy and Joe said Jerry and Stephen were surprised Mike wanted to keep him? That doesn't sound like Jerry stipulating to me.
     
  17. cern

    cern Well-Known Member

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    i do not agree that jerry stipulated keeping moore. when you have a young oc that in his first year produces the #1 rated offense in the league, retaining him becomes more a matter of common sense. but i do agree with your week one assessment. i was highly disappointed in the offensive output, and i suspect that mac pulled the strings more than he said he would. rodgers said mac didn't like pre-snap motion. he better start liking it. we've got to spread defenses out more. even i can see that.
     
  18. Diehardblues

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    It wasn’t my assessment but I do agree with much of this article. And why I shared it.

    Jerry made it very clear in his intent to retain Moore regardless whether we agree it was common sense or not.

    The bigger point is there are fans denying Jerry’s intent to downplay his meddling.
     
  19. Cowboysheelsreds053

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    The overall game plan was no different than the last 10 years. Let's hope that changes this Sunday moving forward.
     
  20. DallasEast

    DallasEast Cowboys 24/7/365 Moderator

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    I do agree somewhat but Garrett was fortunate his 'inexperience' got him hired as offensive coordinator, which mirrors Kellen Moore's hiring also. He had ample opportunity to blossom as a head coach despite Jerry Jones' oversight. In my opinion and hindsight, there is very little evidence that disputes the Jason Garrett, who walked in as head coach, was any less qualified than the Jason Garrett who exited years later.
     

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