Video: Colin Cowherd: “The Philly game hurt Dak’s value”

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by D4KADON, Feb 4, 2020.

  1. Northern_Cowboy

    Northern_Cowboy Well-Known Member

    3,054 Messages
    3,516 Likes Received
    Listen all i was doing was commenting on the stat itself and how it was really a useless stat, your debating with me for no reason i grant you your point
     
    garyo1954 likes this.
  2. percyhoward

    percyhoward Research Tool

    17,061 Messages
    21,853 Likes Received
    This should be easier to understand. It's the Top 10 in YPA without play action among all QB in 2019, including postseason:

    Mahomes 8.3
    Prescott 8.0
    Carr 7.9
    Jackson 7.8
    Brees 7.6
    Wilson 7.6
    Watson 7.6
    Cousins 7.4
    Winston 7.4
    Stafford 7.3
     
    Screw The Hall likes this.
  3. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

    32,163 Messages
    46,787 Likes Received
    Now subtract garbage time and only include completions.
     
  4. percyhoward

    percyhoward Research Tool

    17,061 Messages
    21,853 Likes Received
    Define garbage time and I'll look it up for you, but that would be based on all attempts -- not just non-play-action attempts. That data isn't available to the public.

    I can tell you that without play action, Prescott's YPA ranks 2nd only to Mahomes since the trade for Cooper in week 8 of 2018. That's 27 games for Dak.
     
    Screw The Hall and Qcard like this.
  5. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

    14,697 Messages
    7,387 Likes Received
    I'm not sure how anyone can argue with anything that was said here.

    Somehow people here think teams get cheaper over time, they don't. Dak may improve marginally in the next few years, but his pay would be going through the roof and it comes out with less talent around him as a result, meaning this team is going to get worse as it gets more expensive.

    It's better to maximize his value now by trading him. In reality, they should have started Romo when he was healthy and then traded Dak away for picks after the year he had.
     
  6. DakPresgoat

    DakPresgoat Well-Known Member

    17,370 Messages
    37,462 Likes Received

    And if they had done that, who knows who the cowboys QB would be. They could have garbage at the position right now.
     
  7. Galian Beast

    Galian Beast Well-Known Member

    14,697 Messages
    7,387 Likes Received
    And they could have won a championship between then and now. At least Garrett is gone though, so that's a plus.
     
  8. Northern_Cowboy

    Northern_Cowboy Well-Known Member

    3,054 Messages
    3,516 Likes Received
    So based on that information would you consider Dak a better overall QB than Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes etc? because if you don't than the stat taken on it's own is really useless and means nothing if it's not considered in context with all other QB stats, which is the point i made earlier it's a useless stat on it's own even if it states Dak was decent at YPA in play action passes or not in play action passing attempt
     
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2020
  9. tyke1doe

    tyke1doe Well-Known Member

    43,618 Messages
    21,194 Likes Received
    I agree. The Niners couldn't beat the Cowboys when Jimmy Johnson was coaching. Neither could the Packers.
     
  10. DakPresgoat

    DakPresgoat Well-Known Member

    17,370 Messages
    37,462 Likes Received

    And there is zero guarantee they win a championship with Romo as QB. The hypothetical is pointless.
     
  11. Alexander

    Alexander What's it going to be then, eh?

    60,836 Messages
    64,339 Likes Received
    Just be honest. It did.
     
  12. Qcard

    Qcard Well-Known Member

    3,110 Messages
    3,047 Likes Received
    Oh my dropping science... So in layman's one could say Dak's pass game doesn't fall off when without play action?
     
  13. atlantacowboy

    atlantacowboy Well-Known Member

    10,298 Messages
    14,096 Likes Received
    Dak is going to ask for his top dollar price b/c he knows the Cowboys have left themselves with no options. Right now, Dak has all the leverage. If Dallas was smart, and its a rarity, they would go sign a capable QB in free agency. I just hope Jerry isn't going to assume Dak is playing on a franchise tag.
     
  14. percyhoward

    percyhoward Research Tool

    17,061 Messages
    21,853 Likes Received
    If you want to compare Prescott straight up against the league, there are plenty of useful metrics. That hardly makes the information that I posted "useless" though. Again, differentials higher than +3.0 aren't sustainable, so it's a way of digging a little deeper to predict future performance. (In 2012, RG3 was 2nd in overall YPA, but his play-action YPA was +6.0 yards vs without play action) So, the opposite of useless.

    What information do you use when you form your opinions of QB?
     
    Qcard likes this.
  15. Northern_Cowboy

    Northern_Cowboy Well-Known Member

    3,054 Messages
    3,516 Likes Received
    I use all information (including the YPA stat) available to me to form my opinion but not any singe stat on it's own, doing that in my opinion does not give you a clear picture of what a QB is doing or is able to do you must use all stats in conjunction with one another to form an opinion
     
  16. percyhoward

    percyhoward Research Tool

    17,061 Messages
    21,853 Likes Received
    Since you didn't care to define "garbage time," here's Prescott when the game is close, in the 27 games since the Cooper trade:

    margin one score or less
    482 of 709 68% 5574 yd 7.9 ypa 37 td 11 int 102.4

    margin > one score
    176 of 272 65% 2288 yd 8.4 ypa 9 td 5 int 94.4

    His numbers when the game is close are actually brought down by the other attempts.
     
  17. percyhoward

    percyhoward Research Tool

    17,061 Messages
    21,853 Likes Received
    Clear you cards, we have a bingo.
     
    Qcard and DakPresgoat like this.
  18. erod

    erod Well-Known Member

    32,163 Messages
    46,787 Likes Received
    I've heard VERY different numbers on this than what you have from the likes of Broaddus and others. And you know what I think about "numbers."

    Dak got severely outplayed by Trubisky, Allen, Darnold, and others last year during non-garbage time. In the most important game of the season, he couldn't manage a lousy touchdown against a terrible Eagles defense. He's a middling ride-along quarterback. Nothing more.
     
    garyo1954 likes this.
  19. percyhoward

    percyhoward Research Tool

    17,061 Messages
    21,853 Likes Received
    So post them. The ones I posted are from profootballreferece.com.

    But don't take my word for it. Open the links below:

    margin one score or less
    2018
    2019
     
  20. GORICO

    GORICO Well-Known Member

    4,126 Messages
    3,867 Likes Received
    Johnson had this team ready everytime....coach clap seemed to always have this team unprepared....players were not afraid of losing or making mistakes...because they would just get a good clap
     
    tyke1doe likes this.

Share This Page