Colin K is vacationing in Africa

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That is horrible. And that officer will get a full investigation and the proper support needed to solve the case. The issue that Colin is bringing to light is the amount officers that go unpunished for seemingly very preventable deaths. There seems to be a lack of discipline and consequences for these incidents. Almost none. You see, that officer's death doesn't need protest because it will be taken care of to the fullest extent most likely. Colin is merely giving a voice to those who lack that kind of representation.
I dont think anyones arguing that all cases should be investigated thoroughly.
Yes, some of those cases are infuriating.

Wearing socks with policeman pigs on them is blind sterotyping though.

There are hundreds or even thousands of confrontations every single day with Cops actually doing their dangerous jobs as they should.
 

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I dont think anyones arguing that all cases should be investigated thoroughly.
Yes, some of those cases are infuriating.

Wearing socks with policeman pigs on them is blind sterotyping though.

There are hundreds or even thousands of confrontations every single day with Cops actually doing their dangerous jobs as they should.
Yep. Its non sense to blame policing in general. Imagine our own communities without the Police!! Policing is necessary and very important for everyday life and safety. Are terrible mistakes and even crimes commited by Police Officers? No question...but in general terms...policing is very well and professionally carried out. kaepernick is way off the mark with his protests.
 

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Yep. Its non sense to blame policing in general. Imagine our own communities without the Police!! Policing is necessary and very important for everyday life and safety. Are terrible mistakes and even crimes commited by Police Officers? No question...but in general terms...policing is very well and professionally carried out. kaepernick is way off the mark with his protests.
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Then nobody is righteous and should promote change and progress in any situation. And yes there is slavery in Africa. On the continent of Africa. Yes. There is slavery on every continent in the world, sans Antarctica. LOL (do you guys hear yourselves sometimes?!)

All joking aside, my response was to the common trend in conflating Colin's silent protest to police brutality and how that has been twisted and turned into a protest against white people. When and where did that happen?

Also, I never said Colin was my hero. I don't know where and how you inferred that.

you only have yourself to blame for the heat you are taking.
 

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I dont think anyones arguing that all cases should be investigated thoroughly.
Yes, some of those cases are infuriating.

To be fair, I believe your post was about a cop being killed and Kaep not protesting it. My response was to that and why someone would not protest that killing, considering the amount of support that officer will get, justice will most likely be served.

Wearing socks with policeman pigs on them is blind sterotyping though.

There are hundreds or even thousands of confrontations every single day with Cops actually doing their dangerous jobs as they should.

This is true. I agree with you. I have a lot of family who are police officers. It is definitely infuriating when things like this get displayed by someone with such a public following. It is also not the smartest move when you are trying to gain sympathy points and traction for change, especially when you are trying to convince those who do not have the same volatile encounters with law enforcement. With that being said, I believe Kaepernick, if we are being fair to his criticism, has made it clear that his problem is with the crooked cops and those who refuse to report other cops for their actions. Also, we cannot ignore that yes, cops interact quite differently with POC, consciously and sub-consciously (most of the time this).
 

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No offense, but just posting a link and running is quite juvenile. There is a lot I can infer and assume from you posting a link. The only way I know for sure, is if you inform me. I can't read your mine. Use your words.

Hardly running dude. Given your handle and avatar, I guess you know what juvenile is. You've dropped in on this thread looking to pick a fight. What you're gonna get instead is a locked thread.

By the way, I think the word you're looking for is "mind".
 

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Hardly running dude. Given your handle and avatar, I guess you know what juvenile is. You've dropped in on this thread looking to pick a fight. What you're gonna get instead is a locked thread.

By the way, I think the word you're looking for is "mind".

Yea I created the account when I was in high school. lol So the name is not that fitting for now. My avatar is what it is because I find that show funny. You have a comic book character as your avatar, so you seem apt to throwing stones in a glass house. lol

And I apologize for not writing mind, (the e and d are right next each other).

NOW, back to the subject. Elaborate please.
 

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You have a comic book character as your avatar, so you seem apt to throwing stones in a glass house. lol

NOW, back to the subject. Elaborate please.

Speaking of funny, you call someone juvenile then bristle when it gets turned back on you. Regarding the throwing of stones, there's a famous quote about being the first one to throw you should consider.

Regarding "the subject": We've been down this road before. You know, the one where you presume to speak for everyone on your side of the issue while pretending to know "what's really going on" inside the minds of people on the other side.

My main objection to CK is his attempt to heighten the politicization of the NFL by disrespecting the national anthem, and by extension, many of the fans who fund his livelihood. As I've said before, I watch sports to escape politics. I loathe having it thrown in my face. If CK wants to pull a Ricky Williams, that's his business. I don't care. As for my opinion of his cause, I believe he's presumptuous and misinformed about the degree to which these events are taking place.

When he and his supporters start protesting and actually working to change the culture of violence in the communities most affected by his claims of discrimination, they'll earn my respect.
 

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Speaking of funny, you call someone juvenile then bristle when it gets turned back on you. Regarding the throwing of stones, there's a famous quote about being the first one to throw you should consider.

When and where?

Regarding "the subject": We've been down this road before (have we?). You know, the one where you presume to speak for everyone on your side of the issue while pretending to know "what's really going on" inside the minds of people on the other side.

Again, when and where? In my response to you, did I do any of that?! As a matter of fact my only response to you was so that I could get an understanding of your position and why you posted your link, hence my prying for you to elaborate on your link so I did not have to assume anything. LOL

My main objection to CK is his attempt to heighten the politicization of the NFL by disrespecting the national anthem, and by extension, many of the fans who fund his livelihood.

The NFL has never been without politicization. Hell, professional sports is not immune to politicizing and has quite the history of politics. To sit here and act like Colin brought this unheard of politicizing to professional sports is crazy! The idea that because he makes money he should shutup is ludicrous. The reality is a lot of NFL players come from dysfunctional backgrounds and the idea that they can't use their platform, a platform which they normally do not have, to promote a better situation, whether it be cancer, police brutality, or whatever is crazy. Your comfort be damned. This idea that he should just shutup and "shuck and jive" is evidence of something underlying and embedded in our history. Would I kneel during the National Anthem? No, I would not. Not because of its disrespectful nature, but because the very power and people you are trying to tell your story to are pretty caught up in a nationalistic attitude that it would not get to them, despite how right you may be. I find it more disrespectful that people turn a blind eye to injustices at home and claim it is not happening and that it makes them uncomfortable. Imagine having to actually live that life? The national anthem is a crap song anyways. America the Beautiful is waaaaaayyyy better.

As I've said before, I watch sports to escape politics. I loathe having it thrown in my face. If CK wants to pull a Ricky Williams, that's his business. I don't care. As for my opinion of his cause, I believe he's presumptuous and misinformed about the degree to which these events are taking place.

Can we not conflate Ricky Williams and Colin Kaepernick's protests? lol
Also, how can you, after the thousands of protests which span decades, sit here and say that this is not a serious subject? or one that is real? From my understanding you are saying that all of those people are imagining things, are lying, have been lied to, or are not honest with their intent? My cousin wasn't falsely arrested for being in a gang and driving drunk? I actually was stealing out of the store? My friend did curse at a cop and had drugs on him(I was there, he did none of that). My car did fit the description of the stolen 4 door black honda accord(i drove a two door silver solara). Or that fix-it ticket I got for tinted windows?(I've never had tinted windows, but I did have a fix-it ticket for them!) I can honestly say almost every black person I know (affluent or not) has been harassed by the police, just to see if they could get a rise out of them. This is not a game, these protests are not without merit. Maybe its just where I live. These interactions are decades old. With that being said, this is all anecdotal, but I don't know how to make people understand what is going on if they don't live it.

When he and his supporters start protesting and actually working to change the culture of violence in the communities most affected by his claims of discrimination, they'll earn my respect.

I definitely agree with communities working towards less violence. But the idea that this problem has to do with a culture of violence is just as bad as claiming all police are bad. The idea that my culture is somehow more violent than others is a slap in the face and a total disregard for the histories of our cultures. The idea that I am predisposed to violence because of my skin color is stupid. The reality is we live in a country that needs major work in creating jobs and mending relationship between the government and its people. We actually have things in place to deal with people who commit crimes in those communities, it's called the justice system. What we seem to lack, is the same system for crappy cops. They get suspended or transferred. So when someone in the community needs help, they run the possibility of having also to deal with the nature of a crooked and violent cop. Who do these people go to if the very people sworn to protect and serve them are not doing that?

But to your point, to say that there have been no protests (I'm not talking about rioting) is pure ignorance. Colin in the face of misplaced criticism of how people protested, applied a non-violent and silent protest and people absolutely lost it. The reality is, if you are not protesting, and this goes for historically too, you will always feel uncomfortable. Protests are not something you do on the sideline where people don't notice it and nothing gets changed. Protests are supposed to make people feel something, and the effective ones are always disruptive. All of them.
 

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My main objection to CK is his attempt to heighten the politicization of the NFL by disrespecting the national anthem, and by extension, many of the fans who fund his livelihood. As I've said before, I watch sports to escape politics. I loathe having it thrown in my face. If CK wants to pull a Ricky Williams, that's his business. I don't care. As for my opinion of his cause, I believe he's presumptuous and misinformed about the degree to which these events are taking place.

When he and his supporters start protesting and actually working to change the culture of violence in the communities most affected by his claims of discrimination, they'll earn my respect.

Man I hear you on that.

I can't even watch a movie anymore without some political underlying getting thrown in my face.
 

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Yep. Its non sense to blame policing in general. Imagine our own communities without the Police!! Policing is necessary and very important for everyday life and safety. Are terrible mistakes and even crimes commited by Police Officers? No question...but in general terms...policing is very well and professionally carried out. kaepernick is way off the mark with his protests.

I'm going to have to disagree with this. You don't have statistics that really back this up. In general, policing in this country disproportionately affects a certain population, and we have evidence that policing of certain communities is different, regardless of whether the community policed harshly is actually a crime-ridden area or not. When the PDs in Baltimore and Chicago are rife with corruption, the Ferguson PD is passing around racists emails/texts, and a calm, law-abiding gun owner in Minnesota is shot dead by a skittish officer. There is just too much evidence to the contrary to say Kaepernick doesn't have a point about police brutality.

Now that said, the pig socks and the Castro shirt are absurd and don't help him in any way. Yet, because he's worn those things doesn't conflate to police brutality isn't a real thing. Yes, there are officers who do their jobs well and with respect. I know some. But there are some real POS in these departments too, and it's not just a few bad apples, the blue wall of silence isn't helping to get rid of them.
 

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When he and his supporters start protesting and actually working to change the culture of violence in the communities most affected by his claims of discrimination, they'll earn my respect.

And you know people aren't working towards change in Chicago? I've been down this ridiculous argument before, a quick google search, if you really wanted to know, would provide you a list of NPOs that are doing just that.

And for God's sake, can people stop using Chicago as their "city-fits-all" argument? It's just lazy. Not every African American lives in Chicago, so to use Chicago as the barometer of what every predominantly African-American community is like, is ludicrous and downright stupid.
 

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And you know people aren't working towards change in Chicago? I've been down this ridiculous argument before, a quick google search, if you really wanted to know, would provide you a list of NPOs that are doing just that.

And for God's sake, can people stop using Chicago as their "city-fits-all" argument? It's just lazy. Not every African American lives in Chicago, so to use Chicago as the barometer of what every predominantly African-American community is like, is ludicrous and downright stupid.


You're the one presuming I'm only talking about Chicago. If you'll refer to my statement, you'll see the word "communities", as in plural.

I've lived in Detroit and Dallas for 20 years a piece, so I'm aware of the cultural phenomena in those cities.

I appreciate you calling me lazy, stupid, ludicrous and ridiculous; it certainly buttresses your argument. Its a common approach to use ad-hominem attacks rather than debate, but you'll learn it doesn't intimidate me.

Can you point me to the documents showing Colin and co showing up anywhere to protest the violence in our urban communities? I'd be happy to read them, really.
 

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When and where?



Again, when and where? In my response to you, did I do any of that?! As a matter of fact my only response to you was so that I could get an understanding of your position and why you posted your link, hence my prying for you to elaborate on your link so I did not have to assume anything. LOL



The NFL has never been without politicization. Hell, professional sports is not immune to politicizing and has quite the history of politics. To sit here and act like Colin brought this unheard of politicizing to professional sports is crazy! The idea that because he makes money he should shutup is ludicrous. The reality is a lot of NFL players come from dysfunctional backgrounds and the idea that they can't use their platform, a platform which they normally do not have, to promote a better situation, whether it be cancer, police brutality, or whatever is crazy. Your comfort be damned. This idea that he should just shutup and "shuck and jive" is evidence of something underlying and embedded in our history. Would I kneel during the National Anthem? No, I would not. Not because of its disrespectful nature, but because the very power and people you are trying to tell your story to are pretty caught up in a nationalistic attitude that it would not get to them, despite how right you may be. I find it more disrespectful that people turn a blind eye to injustices at home and claim it is not happening and that it makes them uncomfortable. Imagine having to actually live that life? The national anthem is a crap song anyways. America the Beautiful is waaaaaayyyy better.



Can we not conflate Ricky Williams and Colin Kaepernick's protests? lol
Also, how can you, after the thousands of protests which span decades, sit here and say that this is not a serious subject? or one that is real? From my understanding you are saying that all of those people are imagining things, are lying, have been lied to, or are not honest with their intent? My cousin wasn't falsely arrested for being in a gang and driving drunk? I actually was stealing out of the store? My friend did curse at a cop and had drugs on him(I was there, he did none of that). My car did fit the description of the stolen 4 door black honda accord(i drove a two door silver solara). Or that fix-it ticket I got for tinted windows?(I've never had tinted windows, but I did have a fix-it ticket for them!) I can honestly say almost every black person I know (affluent or not) has been harassed by the police, just to see if they could get a rise out of them. This is not a game, these protests are not without merit. Maybe its just where I live. These interactions are decades old. With that being said, this is all anecdotal, but I don't know how to make people understand what is going on if they don't live it.



I definitely agree with communities working towards less violence. But the idea that this problem has to do with a culture of violence is just as bad as claiming all police are bad. The idea that my culture is somehow more violent than others is a slap in the face and a total disregard for the histories of our cultures. The idea that I am predisposed to violence because of my skin color is stupid. The reality is we live in a country that needs major work in creating jobs and mending relationship between the government and its people. We actually have things in place to deal with people who commit crimes in those communities, it's called the justice system. What we seem to lack, is the same system for crappy cops. They get suspended or transferred. So when someone in the community needs help, they run the possibility of having also to deal with the nature of a crooked and violent cop. Who do these people go to if the very people sworn to protect and serve them are not doing that?

But to your point, to say that there have been no protests (I'm not talking about rioting) is pure ignorance. Colin in the face of misplaced criticism of how people protested, applied a non-violent and silent protest and people absolutely lost it. The reality is, if you are not protesting, and this goes for historically too, you will always feel uncomfortable. Protests are not something you do on the sideline where people don't notice it and nothing gets changed. Protests are supposed to make people feel something, and the effective ones are always disruptive. All of them.


As to your first two points, they're not worth re-hashing.

Your following paragraphs are so full of straw man arguments and false assumptions about my positions, that I'd spend an hour just refuting every one of them. The more I re-read your paragraphs, the more they make me tired.

Just like the last time we talked, I want talk about other things, and you turn it in to a talk about race. I can make distinctions between culture and race. Can you?
 

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As to your first two points, they're not worth re-hashing.

Your following paragraphs are so full of straw man arguments and false assumptions about my positions, that I'd spend an hour just refuting every one of them. The more I re-read your paragraphs, the more they make me tired.

Just like the last time we talked, I want talk about other things, and you turn it in to a talk about race. I can make distinctions between culture and race. Can you?

Yes. Go on.
 

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What has CK really accomplished besides throwing away a diminishing NFL career? I don't see him out there speaking to communities, doing interviews on TV about this or even throwing out some solutions to help.

If he wants change and awareness, how about starting out by voting in an election which he skipped. His actions have been divisive, not helpful IMO :cool:
 
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