Collective Mediocy

[Garrettop]

Maybe we need a thread specifically for documenting egregiously absurd statements about the Cowboys by the media, for plenty of entertainment(or outrage, if that's your thing) material condensed into one thread. Recently a Nate Davis referred to Gregory as being drafted "Despite a checkered past". 1 failed pot test.

Here's a new one:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowb...hen-jones-its-all-coming-together-for-cowboys

[The Cowboys] also lost key defensive parts in Justin Durant, Bruce Carter, Henry Melton, George Selvie and Sterling Moore.

 

[JoeKing]

Maybe we need a thread specifically for documenting egregiously absurd statements about the Cowboys by the media, for plenty of entertainment(or outrage, if that's your thing) material condensed into one thread. Recently a Nate Davis referred to Gregory as being drafted "Despite a checkered past". 1 failed pot test.

Here's a new one:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowb...hen-jones-its-all-coming-together-for-cowboys

I fail to see where this linked article qualifies as what you say as an "egregiously absurd statement". Please Explain.

 

[burmafrd]

well to be blunt just how much did those five really contribute to the D last year? So yes I would call this idiot an idiot for labeling them key parts.

 

[Bullflop]

The one player I agree with in that statement about "key defensive parts" that we lost was Justin Durant, even though his presence was limited to what was an incomplete season. Other than that, I think the rest were probably more accurately described as simply being contributors.

 

[jrumann59]

I think Carter, Durant, Moore were losses, but not franchise altering or team altering as of right now. Carter just too inconsistent mentally, Durant inconsistent health wise, moore has always been a journeyman and while he probably was the worst one to lose he can be replaced for cheaper.

 

[Garrettop]

Sure they contributed to some degree, but many players on a roster "contribute". They were not "key". Durant was hurt, Carter inconsistent, Moore is a JAG at best, Melton faded down the stretch, and Selvie was a "nobody".....until he left and then became "key". Every single one of these guys would have been fighting and/or struggling to make the roster this year had they stayed.

 

[perrykemp]

well to be blunt just how much did those five really contribute to the D last year? So yes I would call this idiot an idiot for labeling them key parts.

Go look at the list of CBs from last year.

It should contain Scandrick, Carr, Claiborne, Moore, and Patmon.

Now add up the number of interceptions they collectively had. I believe the answer is '4'.

Now look at the number of interceptions Bruce Carter had last season. I believe the answer is '5'.

In summary, Bruce Carter Interceptions (5) > The collective interceptions of all the corners on the roster (4).

I would argue Bruce Carter contributed a lot.

Did he play to his potential, no. Having said that if you take those 5 interceptions away the Cowboys likely lose at least one more game.

 

[Garrettop]

A key player is one you can ill afford to lose (ie: they will be hard to replace). Carter was easily replaceable.

 

[reddyuta]

justin freaking durant,how many games has he ever suited up for us?

 

[jrumann59]

justin freaking durant,how many games has he ever suited up for us?

About half played in 16 games while in dallas started 12 missed 16.

 

[jazzcat22]

I agree mostly. But also look at it not as individual players and contributions. But as a whole. That is losing 5 players from your D.

Durant when lost for the season, the defense struggled a bit until adjustments were made or someone stepped up. Carter had some good games and plays, especially when Ro was not in.
Moore was serviceable but not a loss. Melton had what 2 decent games, Selvie did not even come close to his 2013 performance.

But losing 5 players from your depth no matter how what, still is a loss. However not a great one here, but still need to replace those guys. Which I think they did, and got even better.
However, if any of those guys were under contract and not a FA. Would the team went out and replaced them, unless someone stood out in TC to beat them out. Which may not have been hard to do.
But if Cater and Durant was here, they probably would not have signed Brinkley and Gachkar. We would be looking at draft picks in Wilson and Nzeocha to beat them out.

 

[guag]

Sure they contributed to some degree, but many players on a roster "contribute". They were not "key". Durant was hurt, Carter inconsistent, Moore is a JAG at best, Melton faded down the stretch, and Selvie was a "nobody".....until he left and then became "key". Every single one of these guys would have been fighting and/or struggling to make the roster this year had they stayed.

I understand what you're saying. If you're gonna call those guys "key" losses, then you might as well call every player that we "lose" (or "purposely choose not to re-sign") a key loss. They were average contributors at best relative to their roster status (starter, reserve, situational) and replaceable.

 

[DFWJC]

The additions FAR outweigh the subtractions on defense this year.

 

[xwalker]

Go look at the list of CBs from last year.

It should contain Scandrick, Carr, Claiborne, Moore, and Patmon.

Now add up the number of interceptions they collectively had. I believe the answer is '4'.

Now look at the number of interceptions Bruce Carter had last season. I believe the answer is '5'.

In summary, Bruce Carter Interceptions (5) > The collective interceptions of all the corners on the roster (4).

I would argue Bruce Carter contributed a lot.

Did he play to his potential, no. Having said that if you take those 5 interceptions away the Cowboys likely lose at least one more game.

For the problem with Carter, look at weeks 12 through 16.

Carter was active, but did not start those games.

Hitchens did start those games.

Getting bumped on the depth chart by a rookie is not a good sign.

 

[xwalker]

I think Carter, Durant, Moore were losses, but not franchise altering or team altering as of right now. Carter just too inconsistent mentally, Durant inconsistent health wise, moore has always been a journeyman and while he probably was the worst one to lose he can be replaced for cheaper.

Carter will be replaced by Hitchens at SLB. Hitchens had already replaced him as the starter in the Nickel last season.

Durant will be replaced by Lee.

Moore will be replaced by Jones and White.

Those are all upgrades and probably a huge upgrade with Jones over Moore.

 

[T-RO]

Not key losses at all. One decent player (Durant) and JAGs. Meanwhile we are adding in (or adding back) to the defense: Lee, Brinkley, Wilson, Gach, Gregory, B-Jones, Hardy. We could also find some usefulness from this group: Jack Crawford, Ben Gardner, Ryan Russell, Kenneth Boatright, Efe Obada and Lavar Edwards.

EPSN and it's parent company ABC have pretty much lost their ball in the weeds in craft, intellect and integrity--and their ratings have plummeted accordingly. Honestly...who takes them seriously anymore?

 

[DeaconMoss]

Carter will be missed. He had several INT's that sealed games. The Rams pick 6 was timely for sure. He also led the team in INT's. I would say he will be missed but replaceable.

 

[jrumann59]

Carter will be missed. He had several INT's that sealed games. The Rams pick 6 was timely for sure. He also led the team in INT's. I would say he will be missed but replaceable.

Maybe his athleticism but as a player he was too inconsistent, he was outplayed consistency wise by a mid round rookie.

 

[DallasEast]

Maybe we need a thread specifically for documenting egregiously absurd statements about the Cowboys by the media, for plenty of entertainment(or outrage, if that's your thing) material condensed into one thread. Recently a Nate Davis referred to Gregory as being drafted "Despite a checkered past". 1 failed pot test.

Here's a new one:

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas-cowb...hen-jones-its-all-coming-together-for-cowboys

Good thread. I wish the writer of the article example had written "indispensable" instead of "key" because the latter is getting nit-picked unnecessarily. Surprisingly I didn't find any articles today that fit the OP but the day is young. And the media will virtually guarantee more examples will be provided eventually. Wait. I didn't check out profootballtalk.com yet.

 

[cwbyfan72]

I love the mediots who think we will suddenly abandon the running game because of Murrays departure. Bwahahaha!