Commanders.com: Taylor Joins Team For OTAs

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Take this you haters. Area 51 (21+30) will be in full effect next season. Receivers will enter but never reappear. You have been warned.

http://www.Commanders.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=3464

By Gary Fitzgerald
Commanders.com
May 15, 2007



Sean Taylor has joined the Commanders for the second week of OTAs.
Taylor was at Commanders Park on Tuesday morning working out with teammates and attending meetings. He participated in the team's afternoon practice session.

"Every year I'm trying to show up here more and more," he said after practice. "It helps the team. The last couple of years I've been kind of busy with certain issues. I finally have those in the past and I'm working on getting ahead."

Added Taylor: "I was excited to see everybody. We're a close family. Even guys that can't participate [due to injury] are watching from the sidelines."
 

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:lmao2:

Taylor is going to be running around like a dumbarse for 10 seconds at a time because your d-line wont sniff a qb more than 15 times all year. Give me a break. Pray you guys can eek out another 5 win season...troll.
 

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Oh yeah..."area 51?"...:lmao2:

The only thing "alien" in that backfield is Taylor's concept of coverage.
 

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tomson75;1499621 said:
Oh yeah..."area 51?"...:lmao2:

The only thing "alien" in that backfield is Taylor's concept of coverage.


kinda like "area 31"...
 

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tomson75;1499619 said:
:lmao2:

Taylor is going to be running around like a dumbarse for 10 seconds at a time because your d-line wont sniff a qb more than 15 times all year. Give me a break. Pray you guys can eek out another 5 win season...troll.

Just like in 2004 when the 3rd ranked defense had so many superstars on the line.
 

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MossBurner;1499690 said:
Just like in 2004 when the 3rd ranked defense had so many superstars on the line.

not to rain on your parade M.B. your 3rd rank defense was 3 years ago.
 

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the kid 05;1499775 said:
not to rain on your parade M.B. your 3rd rank defense was 3 years ago.

Like I said - 2004.

My point was that that team had even less talent on the D-line than the 07 team but was surrounded by quality linebackers and a strong secondary. Hopefully, history will repeat in 07.
 

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MossBurner;1500288 said:
Like I said - 2004.

My point was that that team had even less talent on the D-line than the 07 team but was surrounded by quality linebackers and a strong secondary. Hopefully, history will repeat in 07.

Yet you have one quality linebacker, one quality corner, and a safety that might prove to be quality...as of right now. So tell me...how does this help your defensive line?
 

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menace;1499650 said:
kinda like "area 31"...

31 might not be a very good coverage safety, but he's a damn sight better than 21. Didn't 31 have more INT's, FF, and FR than you're whole secondary last year? I thought so...try again gomer.
 

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tomson75;1500716 said:
Yet you have one quality linebacker, one quality corner, and a safety that might prove to be quality...as of right now. So tell me...how does this help your defensive line?

You see only one quality player in each of these groups?!

LB: Fletcher, Washington, Marshall & McIntosh

CB: Springs, Rogers, Smoot & Macklin

S: Taylor & Landry

Wow, I'd hate to see how you dissect your own team at those positions!
 
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Kenny Wright and Adam Archuleta? Real good players for the skins in the secondary.04 and 05 top 10 defense, 06 31st defense? Secondary and line both went down hill. Hard to fix both in one season or draft.
 

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MossBurner;1500925 said:
You see only one quality player in each of these groups?!

LB: Fletcher, Washington, Marshall & McIntosh

McIntosh is totally unproven... Marshall is a journeyman, nothing more... Fletcher is good, but getting right old...

CB: Springs, Rogers, Smoot & Macklin

Not a really good CB in the bunch... Springs was, back when he could stay healthy; Rogers got burned badly last year, time after time after time... Smoot got himself benched by the league's worst pass defense... Macklin is just another guy...

S: Taylor & Landry

Taylor had himself a really bad season last year, Landry has to prove he can make it in the NFL...

Wow, I'd hate to see how you dissect your own team at those positions!

DeMarcus Ware is better than any linebacker you have, Ellis (if he's healthy again) and Ayodele are at least as good as Fletcher and Marshall are... Spencer and James are better than McIntosh...

Newman is better than any corner on the Skins right now, Henry is as good as Springs, Glenn is far superior to Smoot...

Hamlin and Roy are better than Taylor and Landry (right now), until Landry proves that he's as good as his press clippings...

I'm sure you don't want me comparing our DL to yours...

There's a reason why the Cowboys' defense ranked significantly ahead of the Skins' last year, and that reason is PERSONNEL... we haven't even discussed the issue of DEPTH on our respective defenses...
 

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justcheckinuout;1501095 said:
Kenny Wright and Adam Archuleta? Real good players for the skins in the secondary.04 and 05 top 10 defense, 06 31st defense? Secondary and line both went down hill. Hard to fix both in one season or draft.

Has it occurred to you that a big part of the problem is the rest of the league has figured Gregg Williams' schemes out??

Another big part of the problem is an utter lack of quality depth at most positions, a direct result of Danny Boy's fondness for throwing major dollars at questionable free agents...
 

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You put on your homer glasses today Silverbear? That was as biased as post as I have ever seen
 

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SkinsHokieFan;1502314 said:
You put on your homer glasses today Silverbear? That was as biased as post as I have ever seen

Just callin' it like I honestly see it, wild man... sorry if that offends you, but the plain truth is, you guys WERE 31st in the league in total defense last year... they DID set a league record for fewest turnovers in a season... they DID rank dead last in sacks, posting six fewer than the next worst team... and a big reason for that was your personnel...

When Gregg Williams was finding success with your defense, you had guys like Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark who were big parts of that success... the Skins messed up by letting them go, and by choosing the players they did to replace them... Williams also had his teams stay remarkably healthy, thereby covering for the lack of quality depth even back then...

If we were talking about your offense, I could be a bit more complimentary... I'd still have some issues (like who's gonna replace Derrick Dockery, the quarterback situation, and the wide receivers after Santana Moss), but I think y'all might have the best running backs in the league, and I really, really like Chris Cooley...
 

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silverbear;1502341 said:
Just callin' it like I honestly see it, wild man... sorry if that offends you, but the plain truth is, you guys WERE 31st in the league in total defense last year... they DID set a league record for fewest turnovers in a season... they DID rank dead last in sacks, posting six fewer than the next worst team... and a big reason for that was your personnel...

When Gregg Williams was finding success with your defense, you had guys like Antonio Pierce and Ryan Clark who were big parts of that success... the Skins messed up by letting them go, and by choosing the players they did to replace them... Williams also had his teams stay remarkably healthy, thereby covering for the lack of quality depth even back then...

If we were talking about your offense, I could be a bit more complimentary... I'd still have some issues (like who's gonna replace Derrick Dockery, the quarterback situation, and the wide receivers after Santana Moss), but I think y'all might have the best running backs in the league, and I really, really like Chris Cooley...

I think you're on to something here - though, I would like to mention that the Skins didn't have Pierce 2 years ago when they went to the playoffs, but the production still fell a bit.

"Which starters on your team would you replace with theirs and vice versa? That's how you know if you're measuring up. If they've got more talent than you, then you have to ball out: hit harder, be tougher, make more plays and get turnovers. We didn't do that." Said Springs


"we didn't have enough talent"- I'm paraphrasing on this second quote here because I couldn't find his exact words, but I read it somewhere.

I think the Skins defensive coaching staff got a little too confident in their system, thinking they could just plug any player into the lineup. Over the last two years, they've lost key players like MLB Pierce, S Clark and CBs Walt Harris and Fred Smoot - this list doesn't include the players who were injured last year.

They simply didn't have the depth at linebacker and the secondary last year - they addressed both of those areas right away. The experts would have you to believe that the line was the biggest problem on the team, but don't you think it's kind of odd that the Skins didn't make ANY additions to that area of the team in the offseason?

As far as the offense is concerned, they lost one player, who had some pretty darn good linemen surrounding him. "Dock was our project and he left for a larger contract" said Guard Randy Thomas.

Dock was a project - a successful one, but he was the weak spot on the line - and let me emphasize that this was one of the strongest units on the team. The loss can't help, but I doubt that it will make as much of a difference to the lines performance as some have suggested.

The offensive success will depend on how well Jason Campbell plays. The players have had a full year in Saunders' system, so there's no excuse; they must produce.
 

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AmishGangsta;1502402 said:
I think the Skins defensive coaching staff got a little too confident in their system, thinking they could just plug any player into the lineup. Over the last two years, they've lost key players like MLB Pierce, S Clark and CBs Walt Harris and Fred Smoot - this list doesn't include the players who were injured last year.

I think that's a perceptive analysis of the situation... but don't even go there about the "players who were injured last year", because the Skins weren't really bit that bad by the injury bug last year... there were a LOT of teams out there that had it worse than they did...

And before you turn this into a Skins versus Cowboys thing, the Boys also got off pretty light on the injury front last season... ALL teams have SOME injuries, and if the Skins were unable to cope with the ones they did have, that's an indictment of management's fondness for throwing big dollars at free agents, leaving them little room under the salary cap to pay for quality backups...

The experts would have you to believe that the line was the biggest problem on the team, but don't you think it's kind of odd that the Skins didn't make ANY additions to that area of the team in the offseason?

Oh yeah, there were NO problems at all on the defensive line last year... never mind that the Skins ranked next to last in total defense, and that defense starts in the trenches... never mind that they ranked dead last in sacks, six sacks behind the next-worst pass rushing team... never mind that they ranked 26th in rushing defense, giving up 4.5 yards per carry...

The Skins' defensive line play was ATROCIOUS last year, arguably the worst in the league... so yeah, I find it more than "strange" that they didn't address this glaring weakness, I find it incomprehensible...

The funny thing is, you're so drunk on the burgundy kool-aid that you think this is an endorsement of your defensive line, rather than an indictment of the questionable thinking being practiced by your front office...

If you guys go to war with that same defensive line this year, it's gonna be another long year for Commanders fans, and for Commanders DBs, even if they ARE a bit improved in the secondary...

As far as the offense is concerned, they lost one player, who had some pretty darn good linemen surrounding him. "Dock was our project and he left for a larger contract" said Guard Randy Thomas.

Dock was a project - a successful one, but he was the weak spot on the line - and let me emphasize that this was one of the strongest units on the team. The loss can't help, but I doubt that it will make as much of a difference to the lines performance as some have suggested.

It will when you can't replace him with anything remotely as good... it will hurt even more if you get an injury or two on the offensive line, as the guy who would have been your first backup off the bench will already be starting... so when that happens, you'll have to put a lesser player in to fill the hole created by that injury...

You guys had five good starters last year (you downplay Dockery's ability, but I can tell you I would have been happy to have the Boys sign him), and little to no depth... this year, you have four good starters, one questionable starter, and even less depth... so even if fully healthy, that line is not liable to be as efficient as it was last year, and if the injury bug bites, things could get ugly in a hurry...

Bluntly, y'all haven't done a whole lot when it comes to improving your talent base this offseason... it would seem that the coaching staff is gambling heavily on a bunch of their incumbent starters improving, but when push comes to shove, you're talking about a talent base that was only good enough to get you to 5-11 last year... as a result, if the Skins can get back to .500 this year, you guys should be turning cartwheels in the FedEx parking lot...
 

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And before you turn this into a Skins versus Cowboys thing, the Boys also got off pretty light on the injury front last season...
I never said one word about the Cowboys - not sure where you got that from.

Oh yeah, there were NO problems at all on the defensive line last year...
How you turn this:
"The defensive line wasn't the biggest problem on the defense last year, obviously, since the team didn't add ANY dlineman during the offseason
Into meaning this:
"there were no problems at all on the defensive line last year"
Is beyond me. Obviously, the defense as a whole was unproductive - including the line. I just don't think the defensive line was the biggest issue as advertised. At a quick glance at the stats one will often look and automatically assume that the defensive line was the biggest problem on the team.

It kind of reminds me of how everyone was ragging on the Eagles receivers last year. Everyone was certain that their WR unit was one of the weaker ones in the league, because they had no "Stars" and they had just lost TO.

Look how that turned out.

If you guys go to war with that same defensive line this year, it's gonna be another long year for Commanders fans, and for Commanders DBs, even if they ARE a bit improved in the secondary...
We've gone to war with the same underachieving defensive line (- Andre Carter) for the last three years, and we've had productive defenses 2/3 of those years. How do you explain that? Luck?

You guys had five good starters last year (you downplay Dockery's ability, but I can tell you I would have been happy to have the Boys sign him), and little to no depth... this year, you have four good starters, one questionable starter, and even less depth...
I've always thought Dockery was the worst lineman on the team, even when he was here, and if you don't believe me I can PM you a link to where I've said such things in the past. As far as the depth, they've brought in a bunch of guys who can play numerous positions - they're projects just like Dockery was. But I would think they would need to draft offensive lineman in the next two upcoming drafts.

Come on bro, Dockery leaves the Skins and then you label him as an irreplaceable player, that's so predictable :)

As far as injuries are concerned, I’m not someone to blame an entire seasons troubles on injury - I figure that these players should be conditioned well enough to not get hurt in the first place.

The Skins weren’t light on injuries last year, by any means. All of these players on defense missed significant time and battled injuries throughout the season: S Pierson Prioleau, CB Shawn Springs, Both Starting DTs Cornelius Griffin and Joe Salave'a
-- including and incident where both were out at the same time -- CB Carlos Rogers, LB Marcus Washington - that's not enough to decimate an entire season, but that's hardly light.

Bluntly, y'all haven't done a whole lot when it comes to improving your talent base this offseason... it would seem that the coaching staff is gambling heavily on a bunch of their incumbent starters improving, but when push comes to shove, you're talking about a talent base that was only good enough to get you to 5-11 last year... as a result, if the Skins can get back to .500 this year, you guys should be turning cartwheels in the FedEx parking lot...
I think the fact that we didn't make any wholesale changes in the coaching staff and the fact that we didn't overhaul the roster like in years past, is exactly what we needed - by the way - do you remember the things they were saying about the Skins two off seasons ago when the Skins made their playoff run ? The exact same things you are saying right now :)

There's nothing wrong with continuity and stability on your football team, even if that team had a bad season the year prior. I disagree with you on the "get back to .500 part", if Gibbs is short of anything but another playoff run, it will be a failure - to tell you the truth, I would probably be disappointed w/ that. :)
 

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The Skins do not have playoff caliber talent on the D line. And also not at CB. All the schemes and smoke and mirrors in the world will not be able to overcome those simple facts.
 
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