Commanders suing fans who can’t keep their season tickets

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Commanders suing fans who can’t keep their season tickets
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The Washington Commanders have sued 125 season ticket holders who asked to be released from multiyear contracts in the past five years, the Washington Post reports.

The newspaper says it interviewed more than 20 of those season ticket holders, and most said they had lost a job or experienced some other financial hardship. Commanders lawyer David Donovan told the newspaper lawsuits are a last resort and that they involve only a small percentage of the team's 20,000 annual premium seat contracts.

"The Washington Commanders routinely work out payment plans and alternate arrangements with hundreds of ticket holders every year," Donovan said. "For every one we sue, I would guess we work out a deal with half a dozen."

Donovan said the team has agreed to reduce the number of seats in a contract, waived contracts for a year, shortened contracts and terminated contracts early. Most of the lawsuits are filed after people "simply refuse to negotiate with us. They've been made an offer, but they just said no," he said.

Many of the fans sued by the team whom the newspaper interviewed said they did receive offers to settle, but the arrangements required hefty payments over time.

The Post reviewed lawsuits in which the Daniel M. Snyder-controlled entity WFI Stadium Inc. sued 125 Commander ticket holders for a total of $3.6 million. The team won judgments totaling $2 million from 34 season ticket holders, most of whom did not hire an attorney and defaulted by not making an appearance in court.

Donovan said other teams sue their fans. "I don't know of any pro football team that doesn't," he said.

But spokesmen for the following National Football League teams said they do not sue their fans over season ticket contracts: Baltimore Ravens, Cincinnati Bengals, Green Bay Packers, Houston Texans, Jacksonville Jaguars, New York Giants and Jets, Seattle Seahawks and Tennessee Titans.

The New England Patriots have sued multiyear premium ticket holders. A Chicago Bears spokesman said, "In rare instances, we have sued."

Officials with the Arizona Cardinals, Denver Broncos, Minnesota Vikings, Dallas Cowboys, Miami Dolphins, San Francisco 49ers and Indianapolis Colts declined to comment on the query. Other teams did not respond.

Fans also accuse the team of double-dipping by suing for the value of the full contract then re-selling the tickets to other fans. Donovan denies the claim, saying even when a team gets a judgment, that doesn't mean they're getting any money.

The Commanders also are suing corporations who have ditched their skyboxes. The team has won $8 million in judgments in eight cases.
 

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HomeOfLegends;2919699 said:
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Yep. That's a great way to entice potential season ticket purchasers. :rolleyes:

Stupid Commanders! :skins:
 

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Their classless History continues. Racism and attacks on fans going through hardship. Stay classy Washington.
 

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Alexander;2919694 said:
"The Washington Commanders routinely work out payment plans and alternate arrangements with hundreds of ticket holders every year," Donovan said. "For every one we sue, I would guess we work out a deal with half a dozen."
Basically his point is that they deserve some sort of humanitarian award.

"This ain't UNICEF. Maybe oneday, UNICEF will get into the season ticket sales business. Until then, we're the people to see."
 

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Wonderful how that works. For most teams, if a season ticket holder can't afford his season ticket contract any more, they go on to someone on their waiting list (most teams have season ticket waiting lists). The Commanders get a judgement/settlement for like half the price of the tickets, then resell the tickets to someone else.

Genius!
 

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Temo;2919744 said:
Wonderful how that works. For most teams, if a season ticket holder can't afford his season ticket contract any more, they go on to someone on their waiting list (most teams have season ticket waiting lists). The Commanders get a judgement/settlement for like half the price of the tickets, then resell the tickets to someone else.

Genius!

To me it is greed, plain and simple.

The Commanders have rabid fans and many stay YEARS on waiting lists. What are they suing over? It is not like they will ever have issues re-selling them. I guess this is to pay for Snyder's Six Flags stupidity.
 

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Doomsday101;2919713 said:
You will go to the game like it or not. Heil Snyder

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I have no problem with a team suing a corporation over a luxery box contract but going after some poor slob who just got laid off is not a good thing, IMO.
 

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Alexander;2919750 said:
To me it is greed, plain and simple.

The Commanders have rabid fans and many stay YEARS on waiting lists. What are they suing over? It is not like they will ever have issues re-selling them. I guess this is to pay for Snyder's Six Flags stupidity.


Agreed. I could see suing if you didn't have an extensive waiting list. And I can definitely see suing the corporations. But not individuals who have fallen on hard times! That's pretty outrageous.
 

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This is the kicker., for me. For years the Commanders have claimed that they have been "sold out" for generations to come. 160,00 person waiting list is the biggest laugher.

We find out yesterday that they were having trouble selling seats so some guy "who had no authority to do so" started pawning off groups of tickets to ticket brokers to make their commissions (ticket sales agents for the Commanders were working on a straight commission basis). All of a sudden the burgandy and baby **** yellow of FedEx field looked like Heinz Stadium South for the Steelers matchup. Guess where all all those Steelers' fans got their tickets?

Putting all of this together; how could a team with a 160,000 person waiting list possibly put their ticket sales agents in the type of bind that they would go behind the team's back and ***** out their tickets to ticket brokers just to make the rent?

As for suing the current season ticket holders, wouldn't it be easier to dial up one of these 160,00 desperate fans to recoup any losses you may have incurred by the "deadbeat" season ticket holder that has come on hard times and can no longer afford his obligation? It would seem a hell of a lot easier, to me, to just cut your losses with the guy and sell his rights to one of the suckers standing in a line 160,00 deep, no?

Just an example of the Danny Snyder spin on the joke that the entire organization has become. I hope he NEVER sells that team.
 

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Add in his Six Flags woes and it looks like he won't be able to keep up
with the Jones's.
 

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So if I lose my job, I no longer have to honor contracts I've signed?
 

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BaybeeJay;2919820 said:
So if I lose my job, I no longer have to honor contracts I've signed?

Hate to say it, but BaybeeJay is right. You signed a mortgage. You lose your job, the mortgage is still due. As is your car payment, electricity payment, credit cards, etc, etc.

It just sound bad because its "football tickets". But the fact remains. You signed a contract to buy those tickets. You're supposed to buy them.

It sucks when someone loses thier job, but if any of you have ever lost a job, you know that the bank doesn 't call you and say "ah, don't worry about those mortgage payments".......

The only thing here that comes to light is there IS NO 160,000 person waiting list. If there were, they'd just sell the tix to those people. But there isn't a team in the league who doesn't lie when it comes to season tickets. You want to make them seem like their tough to get. It feeds sales, and allows you to charge more if you think they're tough to get.
 
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