Conspiracy? No. Truth? Yes.

[birdwells1]

Let me give you an analogy to better explain Spygate. Lets say you made 100K a year and met, married and built a life with the girl of your dreams around your 100k salary. Of that 100k, half of it was made through your job and the other half was made by illegal gambling. The gambling part your wife doesn't know about and wouldn't approve of. One day she find out about the gambling and confronts you about it, you lie and say "yeah I gamble but I really don't play much just small stuff, it's nothing really I can quit if you want me to". She says yes because it's illegal and if you're going to be doing that then she won't be with you. The problem is that the gambling is a big part of how you support your household and what your lifestyle is built upon. You don't want to lose your wife but you can't make it without the 50k so you start gambling again hoping you don't get caught because losing your family is a steep price to pay.
If the taping didn't really mean anything to the Pat success then why risk it after the Commish sent out a letter clearly stating to cut it out. The answer is that it is a big part of what they do. Whenever some takes a chance like that they assess the risk to reward ratio. If taping was a small part of what the did then the would have said "hey lets stop the taping I mean it only helps us minimally and we don't want to get caught and have to pay a fine" in other words ITS JUST NOT WORTH IT. Well we all know that they didn't do that so it must have been worth the risk.
The fine that they suffered was minimal to me. Ok they have been taping since 2000. They have won 3 SBs and been to 4. What owner wouldn't pay 750k and a first round draft choice for that?
The NFL has been trying to sweep this thing under the rug ever since it surfaced. Why on earth would you desroy the tapes, it's not like the pats are going to steal them from the NFL offices? Why did it take Spector to start asking questions for him to look deeper into this situation? The commish looks like some of those congressmen backing Roger Clemens, everytime he speaks he has an agenda and that being to put this case to rest. Something smells hear and I don't think we will ever know the whole truth.

 

[TonyS]

Welcome to the forum! I know it is hard, but we have to let it go. I am sick to death that the Cheatriots won't have their SBs taken away, but everyone still knows that they didn't win them fairly. They have huge asterisks behind each one of them. That is enough for me.

 

[cowboyjoe]

what it boils down to is this;

one of 2 things;
first, either other nfl teams are doing it, and belicheater threatened to blow the whistle, so goodell backed down;

other is what you hear, goodell is a friend of kraft the owner so to save face, goodell lightly fined then

with the 2nd option i back that up, when did we hear about spygate
a year ago, really not quite a year; then you add in to the fact, lets look at whom goodell the whus has fined and suspended;
im not going to name them all but some;
1. wade wilson, this one if first for several reasons;
out of goodells own mouth he says that coaches are to be held more accountable than players, so what does he do, he fines wade wilson 33 percent of his check and suspends him 5 games. now if he really had broken the wall you can bet wade wilson would be in jail, but he didnt wind in jail
2. tank johnson, he suspended him and had him to stay out the length of the suspension, could he work out with the team when he needed to, no, only when goodell was through throwing his weight around
3. pacman, he suspended him a year, then revoked it and is holding him out longer, all of these coaches and players were suspended, was belicheater suspended NO!
4. there have been numberous players that have violated the league rules, has poopell yeah, i call him poopell now, has he suspended them no;
5. i point to little, de from the rams that killed a person;
6. i point to ray lewis, we pretty all know that he had a hand in the killing of a man, and he is still playing football
7. so is leonard little,

yet, when it comes to someone, that not only made numerous tapes, i point to the tapes he turned in, 7 before 2006, thats before 2006, and he says there are no more tapes;

yet what did we see, walsh turned in 8 tapes, and one of them was an offensive coordinator tape, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that belicheater was recording that info, spying on teams to win, he was doing down and distance-scores and time, videoing coaches as they sent in signals,

then we find out that belicheater had a huge library of all defensive coordiantors as well as some offensive coordiantors

now that is against the NFL rules point blank, but belicheater gets a light sla on the wrist, while other players and coaches get fined, and players that resulted in some form or fashion with killing someone is still playing football

and you call that cleaning up the nfl, not by my standards,

so poopell might as well as quit lying and come out and admit the truth he let the patriots and he is a friend of kraft, and he was afraid of what belicheater would do, if poopell came down on him hard, like he should have,

whats even more disturbing on top of that, is what kids now say, its ok to cheat, belicheater cheated and he basically got away with it, so no big deal to cheat;

now thats a shame,

 

[cowboyjoe]

now its breaking that walsh watched the rams walkthrough, and goodell whoops boopell isnt going to do anything

 

[Clove]

Welcome to the board.

The bottom line is, they cheated to win, what they did they perfected it and it became their life-line. So Belicheat is a genius, just not at coaching.

He's low down, just as low as anyone else who cheats. He had a cheating system that was first class, knew how to do it better than anyone else, and he used it to win the big games.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Welcome to the Zone!

 

[DallasFanSince86]

Welcome to the board.

The bottom line is, they cheated to win, what they did they perfected it and it became their life-line. So Belicheat is a genius, just not at coaching.

He's low down, just as low as anyone else who cheats. He had a cheating system that was first class, knew how to do it better than anyone else, and he used it to win the big games.

Agreed.

 

[tyke1doe]

The best answer to Spygate was the punishment Goodell leveled AND the Patriots getting beat in the Super Bowl to derail their perfect season.

They will forever have to endure the label as "chokers," which is magnified because they couldn't close the deal on the "perfect" season.

There's nothing more to be done here.

Let's move on.

Hopefully, with the firepower the Cowboys have on their roster, we'll close the deal to the perfect season.

 

[Seven]

The best answer to Spygate was the punishment Goodell leveled AND the Patriots getting beat in the Super Bowl to derail their perfect season.

They will forever have to endure the label as "chokers," which is magnified because they couldn't close the deal on the "perfect" season.

19 - DOH!!!

 

[DallasFanSince86]

19 - DOH!!!

That never gets old.

 

[Seven]

That never gets old.

It doesn't, does it? Heh...............

 

[FLASH]

that really never does get old

has anyone seen the south park about how belichek cheated in every game except one...and they lost that one...hilarious

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Right...cheating to win football games works perfectly with an analogy to cheating and lieing about it to your wife.

They go hand in hand.

 

[zeromaster]

Yes we should move on, but I'll always agree there was more going on than was admitted. After all, if there's nothing different in the public tapes, why destroy the original ones? Why keep taping for so long unless there was a substantial benefit?

Whether it was league wide or simply dirty championships, we'll only know if someone far down the line spills the beans. By then it will be hearsay.

Belicheck's attitude seems to be one of "I've arrived, don't question my record". But people will, moreso than in the past. Goodell doesn't look like a shining knight anymore either.

 

[Vintage]

Eh, they cheated, got caught, lost a 1st round pick.

Time to move one.

I'm more concerned with what we are doing, to be honest. Though I understand the fascination some have with the Patriots....good God, was their offense scary last year.

 

[superpunk]

that really never does get old

has anyone seen the south park about how belichek cheated in every game except one...and they lost that one...hilarious

How do I reach deez keedz!!!!!