Cordy Glenn

[silverbear]

But on another note, does anybody actually see us drafting a 340+lb guard? Isnt Garrett's philosophy to have athletic guards who are on the smaller side? Not saying I agree with this or that I would stay away from Glenn personally, just asking how realistic it is that we are looking at the kid given Garrett's
philosophies.

Well, remember that when the Boys needed OL help in the course of last season, they turned to two pretty big ol' boys, Montrae Holland and Derrick Dockery... they're both 325 pounders...

And while Tyron Smith, Bill Nagy and David Arkin were only a little over 300 pounds when the Boys drafted them last year, all were projected to have the growth potential to play at 315-320 pounds...

So yeah, Garrett wants athletic linemen, but it would appear that he likes them athletic AND big... so do I... Glenn fits that profile, IMO...

So does Carl Nicks, FWIW...

 

[silverbear]

Cordy Glenn to me, and who had seen him play every game the last three years, he is better fit at OG but can be your #3 OT when needed. He is a more agile Orlando Franklin. I said it before, Glenn reminds me alotof Larry Allen

I think that last sentence is a little over the top, he's bigger than Larry was, but nowhere near as athletic (Allen came out of college running a sub-5 second 40, which would be .25-.3 seconds faster than Glenn is likely to time)...

But other than that, I think you're spot on in your analysis of Glenn... he can indeed play tackle in a pinch, though I'd limit him to RT... don't think he has the quickness to handle the speed rushers he'd be likely to face at LT...

But hey, gimme a guy who can play RG, LG and RT for you, and play any of them well... we have of course disagreed some in the recent past, but we're on the same page here...

Had to happen someday...

 

[silverbear]

I agree with much that with only one caviat:

When I trade down, I'm making sure it's still ahead of the Chargers because there's no way SD is passing on Glenn now.

However, I would use that to my advantage in another way. I'd use DeCastro to extract at least a 2nd round pick out of San Diego, plus other considerations, if they're desperate enough. I don't mind trading down to #18, getting the Chargers 2nd (49th? overall ) in the process.

I could do some serious damage with the 45th and 49th picks in the 2nd round.

Sounds like a plan to me, RW... now, let's get Jerry and Jason on board...

 

[silverbear]

He is a solid late R1 guy at this point but no higher and definitely not projected to play LT. Calling him Larry Allen like is pure lunacy.

Yeah, but calling anybody Larry Allen-like is pure lunacy... we'll never see another like him...

 

[Zaxor]

Yup I am already on board with the statement that I think Glenn in the long run will be a better pro than DeCastro

 

[Randy White]

He got crushed twice by Upshaw and once by Ingram in one on one drills. The jury is out on if he can play RT and LT isn't even a consideration at this point according to Mayock today. .

You're not the first one who has said that today, so I went back and looked at the drills they showed on the NFL network. Now, unless there were other drills that I missed, neither Upshaw, or Coples did anything against Glenn, at any time. Ingram was a beast in this clip, as you'll see, but it wasn't against Glenn.

Here's the video that I saw:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-senior-bowl/09000d5d82653694/Senior-Bowl-Thomas-Dimitroff

1:29 mark: As a LT against Upshaw, showed outstanding footwork, pushed him around the QB spot.

3:00 mark: Gets in front of Coples again as a LT with great footwork, keeps his body in front of him at all times, pad level low.

The very next play against Malik Jackson from Tennessee, completely renders him ineffective.

I can't find the 11 on 11 scrimage that came right after those drills, but in it, you'd see him pulling ( ala Doug Free ), you'd see him run block, and you'd see him pass block against Upshaw again, all from the LT position. You'd also see him at RG but for one play.

Why Mayock implied that he couldn't play LT while the video was showing the exact opposite, I don't know. Again, perhaps Mayock was going on information that wasn't shown as he was talking, but, to me, it looks like the guy could play that position without a problem.

Now, would I start him there ? No. I think he has the potential to be an All Pro guard for the next 12 years and I wouldn't want to mess with that. I, however, wouldn't lose any sleep if he had to play either tackle positions.

 

[burmafrd]

Cordy Glenn to me, and who had seen him play every game the last three years, he is better fit at OG but can be your #3 OT when needed. He is a more agile Orlando Franklin. I said it before, Glenn reminds me alotof Larry Allen

you clearly never watched LA in his prime

 

[InmanRoshi]

Cordy's weight doesn't really bother me. Cordy is big sized, but it's a good football body ... 6'5"+, freakishly long limbs, thick thighs, and a huge bubble butt. He was athletic and mobile enough to play left tackle in the SEC. It might have to be something that's monitored a little bit, but we're not talking Max Jean Giles here who's got 150 lbs. of extra gut on a 6'2" frame..

 

[jterrell]

He gave a little ground to coples in 1 on 1. I didn't see what you said VS those guys. Especially in live action

I was talking about in 1 on 1 drills.

 

[jterrell]

You're not the first one who has said that today, so I went back and looked at the drills they showed on the NFL network. Now, unless there were other drills that I missed, neither Upshaw, or Coples did anything against Glenn, at any time. Ingram was a beast in this clip, as you'll see, but it wasn't against Glenn.

Here's the video that I saw:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-senior-bowl/09000d5d82653694/Senior-Bowl-Thomas-Dimitroff

1:29 mark: As a LT against Upshaw, showed outstanding footwork, pushed him around the QB spot.

3:00 mark: Gets in front of Coples again as a LT with great footwork, keeps his body in front of him at all times, pad level low.

The very next play against Malik Jackson from Tennessee, completely renders him ineffective.

I can't find the 11 on 11 scrimage that came right after those drills, but in it, you'd see him pulling ( ala Doug Free ), you'd see him run block, and you'd see him pass block against Upshaw again, all from the LT position. You'd also see him at RG but for one play.

Why Mayock implied that he couldn't play LT while the video was showing the exact opposite, I don't know. Again, perhaps Mayock was going on information that wasn't shown as he was talking, but, to me, it looks like the guy could play that position without a problem.

Now, would I start him there ? No. I think he has the potential to be an All Pro guard for the next 12 years and I wouldn't want to mess with that. I, however, wouldn't lose any sleep if he had to play either tackle positions.

I went back and looked as I still had them all TIVO'd and it was day 1 where they both bested him fairly easily in 1 on 1 drills. I watched day 2 by accident due to TIVO order.

In day 3 he handled Coples with ease. On day 3 we saw only a couple matchups and they didn't show as much 1 on 1 stuff for some reason.
I'd give him a draw once and a loss on the other in the Upshaw and Ingram match ups one on one. He did look much better in team drills but all the OL do.

But Mayock and Bunting who represent the most knowledgeable draftnerds that watched every snap both say Glenn is an OG. Bunting and Mayock also both like him a lot but just acknowledge he is an inside guy with a shot at RT. He ranks him the 5th best prospect at the Senior Bowl and ahead of Ingram but not Upshaw... which seems odd to me.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Ranking-the-Senior-Bowls-Top-10-prospects.html

Glenn had some struggles this week at OT. However, when lined-up inside at guard he was downright dominant. He showcased good natural quickness off the ball, was able to extend his arms and control blockers with ease through contact. Looks like a first round caliber guard prospect to me.

My personal take is he is the 2nd OG. Probably did move up some boards this week and may now be as high as 20. I'd definitely worry about taking a guy at 350 pounds who hasn't ever had any money and then paying him a couple mil per but if we traded down to around 20 and took the player left out of Upshaw, Ingram, DeCastro and Glenn while picking up a high 3rd or low second to use on a CB I'd be ok with that for sure.

After looking at day 3 team stuff I can see why he would be on our radar.

BTW, I know everyone will love Coples by Draft Day but that guy has bust written all over him to me.

 

[supercowboy8]

you clearly never watched LA in his prime

did I say he was the next Larry Allen. No I said he reminds me of Larry Allen, never once said he is the next Larry Allen.
You need to watch Cordy Glenn when he played OG. Big strong and could pull. Very light footed for his size.

I didn't know 40 times meant that much to a OL.

 

[newlander]

having watched both of them in real games Decastro is clearly better.

..I saw Decastro play 3 times this year against PAC 10 teams and OK State: he's a monster. THen I saw Glenn play vs the SEC and MSU in the Outback Bowl: not near as productive: yes Glenn played vs. better competition BUT..............I still like Decastro better and so do the scouts....we'll see.

 

[burmafrd]

did I say he was the next Larry Allen. No I said he reminds me of Larry Allen, never once said he is the next Larry Allen.
You need to watch Cordy Glenn when he played OG. Big strong and could pull. Very light footed for his size.

I didn't know 40 times meant that much to a OL.

I have watched Glenn and he could not carry LA's jock. clearly you never saw him when he was destroying people.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I really think the question becomes, do you want to sign an FA Guard or do you want to use #14 on a Guard? I don't think we do both?

What provides more bang for the Buck?

Option A - Decastro at 14

Option B - Sign an FA Guard and take another need player at 14 and draft another Guard later in the draft?

 

[tm1119]

I really think the question becomes, do you want to sign an FA Guard or do you want to use #14 on a Guard? I don't think we do both?

What provides more bang for the Buck?

Option A - Decastro at 14

Option B - Sign an FA Guard and take another need player at 14 and draft another Guard later in the draft?

Personally Id rather sign Nicks and draft Ingram/Kirkpatrick at #14. I'm with u in the fact that I highly doubt we spend big $ signing a guard + draft 1 at 14. Just doesn't seem reasonable given our needs. Let Arkin get a shot, they drafted him for a reason.

 

[supercowboy8]

I have watched Glenn and he could not carry LA's jock. clearly you never saw him when he was destroying people.

No I did, but again since you can't comprehend what I am really saying.
He reminds me of Larry Allen, never ever once said he is the same as Larry Allen. There is a difference.

 

[marchetta]

I don't envision JPP doing a great deal against him because I also saw him going against Coples, who's a JPP clone, albeit on a run play. However, I'm with you in that I wouldn't put him at tackle either. Not because he can't handle it, but because I'd be sacrificing a 12 years Pro Bowl career at the guard position. This guy belongs at the Guard position, but it's just fantastic to know that he can handle both tackle positions as well.

Kinda like another player we once had. Dare I say it?

Hint: LA

 

[silverbear]

No I did, but again since you can't comprehend what I am really saying.
He reminds me of Larry Allen, never ever once said he is the same as Larry Allen. There is a difference.

I hear you, man... I mean, how could you NOT see the similarities??

Allen was 6-3, 325 pounds coming out of college, Glenn is 6-6, 350...

Allen run a sub-5 second 40 before the draft, Glenn will run in the 5.25-5.3 second range...

Allen bench pressed 700 pounds, Glenn benches... well, I don't know what he benches, but here's betting he couldn't come within 100, perhaps 200 pounds of that number...

Allen played for a very small school in California, Glenn played for an SEC school...

OMG, they could be TWINS...

I'm a fan of Cordy Glenn, but he can't even dream of ever being as agile, as mobile as Larry Allen was...

 

[supercowboy8]

I hear you, man... I mean, how could you NOT see the similarities??

Allen was 6-3, 325 pounds coming out of college, Glenn is 6-6, 350...

Allen run a sub-5 second 40 before the draft, Glenn will run in the 5.25-5.3 second range...

Allen bench pressed 700 pounds, Glenn benches... well, I don't know what he benches, but here's betting he couldn't come within 100, perhaps 200 pounds of that number...

Allen played for a very small school in California, Glenn played for an SEC school...

OMG, they could be TWINS...

I'm a fan of Cordy Glenn, but he can't even dream of ever being as agile, as mobile as Larry Allen was...

well then you havent seen Glenn play OG and pull and see him block in open space.
I don't think 40 time means a damn thing to a OL, but I guess thats just me.
WHo knows about his bench press and what school he went to what does that have to do with the way the guy plays.
You can have your opinion but when I see a big big man at OG that can pull and is light on his feet, it just reminds me of another big big man that could od the same witrh ease, Larry Allen.

I guess some people just don't have the common sense to understand that when someone says a player reminds them of another player is different than saying a player is the next past player. I never ever said Glenn si the next Larry Allen or is the same as Larry Allen. Certain parts of his game reminds me of the way Larry Allen played.

 

[newlander]

I hear you, man... I mean, how could you NOT see the similarities??

Allen was 6-3, 325 pounds coming out of college, Glenn is 6-6, 350...

Allen run a sub-5 second 40 before the draft, Glenn will run in the 5.25-5.3 second range...

Allen bench pressed 700 pounds, Glenn benches... well, I don't know what he benches, but here's betting he couldn't come within 100, perhaps 200 pounds of that number...

Allen played for a very small school in California, Glenn played for an SEC school...

OMG, they could be TWINS...

I'm a fan of Cordy Glenn, but he can't even dream of ever being as agile, as mobile as Larry Allen was...

.......IS TRUE. Pretty sure some of the guys on here didn't see Larry Allen play and if they did.....they weren't paying real close attention. He was the best guard of our GENERATION.....and not a shabby tackle either. I have seen Glenn play: he's solid, but LARRY ALLEN? No sir......