Cordy Glenn

[burmafrd]

well then you havent seen Glenn play OG and pull and see him block in open space.
I don't think 40 time means a damn thing to a OL, but I guess thats just me.
WHo knows about his bench press and what school he went to what does that have to do with the way the guy plays.
You can have your opinion but when I see a big big man at OG that can pull and is light on his feet, it just reminds me of another big big man that could od the same witrh ease, Larry Allen.

I guess some people just don't have the common sense to understand that when someone says a player reminds them of another player is different than saying a player is the next past player. I never ever said Glenn si the next Larry Allen or is the same as Larry Allen. Certain parts of his game reminds me of the way Larry Allen played.

I guess you just miss the obvious: when you compare one player to another you are saying they are relatively equal. Everyone else seems to see that except you. I say that say Eli Manning reminds me of Cutler, then you are saying they are pretty equal. Most people outside of yourself seem to understand that.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think Glenn is a decent prospect.

Just very unsure about him at #14, if DeCastro was taken.

Glenn seems to be in that "hole", between the Cowboy's first pick and second.

 

[Risen Star]

I really think the question becomes, do you want to sign an FA Guard or do you want to use #14 on a Guard? I don't think we do both?

But it doesn't come down to that. Because you don't know what will be there in the draft and only a foolish team drafts for need.

You add that G in FA. And then you add another G in the draft if that's the value.

What a crime it would be to add two big time pieces to such a glaring weakness like the offensive line.

 

[Risen Star]

I think Glenn is a decent prospect.

Just very unsure about him at #14, if DeCastro was taken.

Glenn seems to be in that "hole", between the Cowboy's first pick and second.

He's more than a decent prospect.

 

[RS12]

But it doesn't come down to that. Because you don't know what will be there in the draft and only a foolish team drafts for need.

You add that G in FA. And then you add another G in the draft if that's the value.

What a crime it would be to add two big time pieces to such a glaring weakness like the offensive line.

Dont know why so many here cant grasp this concept. Like not drafting shut down LT if BPA. Who cares what Free is making. Put your best 5 players out there per Hudson Houck.

 

[Risen Star]

Dont know why so many here cant grasp this concept. Like not drafting shut down LT if BPA. Who cares what Free is making. Put your best 5 players out there per Hudson Houck.

If you take what he said you have two scenarios and both are bad.

Sign a FA G and then rule out an OL early in the draft regardless of who is on the board.

Don't sign a FA G and count on one being there when we pick. Keep your fingers crossed, kids....because we're desperate.

The only right way to handle this, IMO, is to make a couple of OL signings in FA. That puts you in a position where if you don't find value there in the draft, it's not a critical issue. You've already addressed it. But if you do find value early, well now you have turned a great weakness into a strength and made the franchise QB and his weapons better.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But it doesn't come down to that. Because you don't know what will be there in the draft and only a foolish team drafts for need.

You add that G in FA. And then you add another G in the draft if that's the value.

What a crime it would be to add two big time pieces to such a glaring weakness like the offensive line.

In your opinion, it's a glaring need. I don't really see it that way. I think we need to add one Guard that can start immediately. However, what I think doesn't matter. What Jerry is thinking is the key and I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe he is going to take a Guard at 14 and sign a big time FA to play Guard. I just don't see it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you take what he said you have two scenarios and both are bad.

Sign a FA G and then rule out an OL early in the draft regardless of who is on the board.

Don't sign a FA G and count on one being there when we pick. Keep your fingers crossed, kids....because we're desperate.

The only right way to handle this, IMO, is to make a couple of OL signings in FA. That puts you in a position where if you don't find value there in the draft, it's not a critical issue. You've already addressed it. But if you do find value early, well now you have turned a great weakness into a strength and made the franchise QB and his weapons better.

You see it as a negative but that doesn't mean it is. That just means that this is your opinion.

It is entirely possible that this team already believes they have talent at Guard.

 

[Risen Star]

You see it as a negative but that doesn't mean it is. That just means that this is your opinion.

It is entirely possible that this team already believes they have talent at Guard.

Yes, it is my opinion that counting on the draft to address huge needs or bypassing higher rated prospects because of signings you made in FA is a bad way to build a team.

It's my opinion like it's my opinion that Tom Brady is a better QB than Rex Grossman.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes, it is my opinion that counting on the draft to address huge needs or bypassing higher rated prospects because of signings you made in FA is a bad way to build a team.

It's my opinion like it's my opinion that Tom Brady is a better QB than Rex Grossman.

You see, there is something that perhaps we can agree on after all. Your opinion on Brady and Grossman seem to be much more in sink. I'm glad we could find this common ground.

 

[jnday]

In your opinion, it's a glaring need. I don't really see it that way. I think we need to add one Guard that can start immediately. However, what I think doesn't matter. What Jerry is thinking is the key and I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe he is going to take a Guard at 14 and sign a big time FA to play Guard. I just don't see it.

You have a good point . Jerry has undervalued the line for years . His is the only opinion that matters and I wouldn't be surprised if he continued his line of thinking . After all , just look at the fine lines that he has put on the field the last few years . These jag free agents and late round draft picks are really paying off . This is a great year for guards in the draft . Dallas could use two early picks and be set for years but I'm sure he thinks the scrubs that they have now are going to be just fine . Why would he waste the 14th pick on the best guard prospect in the last 10 years ?

 

[silverbear]

well then you havent seen Glenn play OG and pull and see him block in open space.

Chuckle... so,, every big offensive lineman who can run a little-- and compared to Larry, Cordy can only run a little-- is another Larry Allen, eh??

So much for your credibility... but hey, you're welcome to get back to me when you see Glenn run down a player as fast as Darrell Green the way Allen did...

Allen was big, Glenn is huge... Glenn can run a little, Allen could run like no offensive lineman over310 pounds I ever saw... Glenn is strong, Allen was superhuman strong...

I don't think 40 time means a damn thing to a OL, but I guess thats just me.

You just bragged about how well Glenn can run, now you're trying to suggest that running is not important...

OK, I know you're really trying to say that the 40 time is not a big one for an offensive lineman... to that, I have two responses-- when one man is roughly .3 seconds faster than another man is in that distance, that man runs better, period... second, if you were to compare the agility numbers of both men in the 10 and 20 yard splits, the 3 cone drills and the like, you can bet that Larry would have the superior numbers down the line (but all I have access to are their 40 times)...

You can have your opinion but when I see a big big man at OG that can pull and is light on his feet, it just reminds me of another big big man that could od the same witrh ease, Larry Allen.

And I say that unless that "big man at OG" puts up EXTRAORDINARY numbers, and is VERY light on his feet, any comparison to arguably the greatest offensive lineman to play the game are asinine...

Certain parts of his game reminds me of the way Larry Allen played.

I'm guessing you were no older than 12 when Larry was in his prime... until and unless you can show me defensive linemen who faked injuries before preseason games against the Cowboys so they wouldn't have to face Allen, your comparison is ridiculous; Larry Allen was the most dominating, intimidating lineman of his time... Glenn is good, but he doesn't intimidate the way Larry did...

IOW, if you're gonna find a player who you think merits comparison to Larry Allen, you have to be able to demonstrate not that he's agile (Glenn is), but that he's freakishly agile (he isn't)... you have to show not that he's strong (he is), but that he's superhuman strong (I've seen no indication that's the case)...

Cordy Glenn wouldn't make a pimple on Larry Allen's butt... now, I've been advocating strongly for Cordy for some weeks now, but a Larry Allen, he isn't... even using your standards for comparing players, standards which are silly to begin with, the only player I recall in recent drafts who MIGHT rate such a comparison was Mike Iupati...

 

[silverbear]

.......IS TRUE. Pretty sure some of the guys on here didn't see Larry Allen play and if they did.....they weren't paying real close attention. He was the best guard of our GENERATION.....and not a shabby tackle either. I have seen Glenn play: he's solid, but LARRY ALLEN? No sir......

That's my point, in fewer words than I'd use... LOL...

I would suggest that you could go a bit further than saying he was the best guard of our generation, I honestly believe he might have been the best guard to ever play the game...

 

[burmafrd]

Chuckle... so,, every big offensive lineman who can run a little-- and compared to Larry, Cordy can only run a little-- is another Larry Allen, eh??

So much for your credibility... but hey, you're welcome to get back to me when you see Glenn run down a player as fast as Darrell Green the way Allen did...

Allen was big, Glenn is huge... Glenn can run a little, Allen could run like no offensive lineman over310 pounds I ever saw... Glenn is strong, Allen was superhuman strong...



You just bragged about how well Glenn can run, now you're trying to suggest that running is not important...

OK, I know you're really trying to say that the 40 time is not a big one for an offensive lineman... to that, I have two responses-- when one man is roughly .3 seconds faster than another man is in that distance, that man runs better, period... second, if you were to compare the agility numbers of both men in the 10 and 20 yard splits, the 3 cone drills and the like, you can bet that Larry would have the superior numbers down the line (but all I have access to are their 40 times)...



And I say that unless that "big man at OG" puts up EXTRAORDINARY numbers, and is VERY light on his feet, any comparison to arguably the greatest offensive lineman to play the game are asinine...



I'm guessing you were no older than 12 when Larry was in his prime... until and unless you can show me defensive linemen who faked injuries before preseason games against the Cowboys so they wouldn't have to face Allen, your comparison is ridiculous; Larry Allen was the most dominating, intimidating lineman of his time... Glenn is good, but he doesn't intimidate the way Larry did...

IOW, if you're gonna find a player who you think merits comparison to Larry Allen, you have to be able to demonstrate not that he's agile (Glenn is), but that he's freakishly agile (he isn't)... you have to show not that he's strong (he is), but that he's superhuman strong (I've seen no indication that's the case)...

Cordy Glenn wouldn't make a pimple on Larry Allen's butt... now, I've been advocating strongly for Cordy for some weeks now, but a Larry Allen, he isn't... even using your standards for comparing players, standards which are silly to begin with, the only player I recall in recent drafts who MIGHT rate such a comparison was Mike Iupati...

well said. I just do not have the patience anymore to reply to absurd comparisons like I used to.

Those Boys fans that only saw LA in his last years here saw only the shell of the player that scared opposing linemen so much that they would ask their teams to put them on the injury list the prior week so when LA just owned them they could claim they were injured. Cordy glenn is not in the same GALAXY as that Larry Allen.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You have a good point . Jerry has undervalued the line for years . His is the only opinion that matters and I wouldn't be surprised if he continued his line of thinking . After all , just look at the fine lines that he has put on the field the last few years . These jag free agents and late round draft picks are really paying off . This is a great year for guards in the draft . Dallas could use two early picks and be set for years but I'm sure he thinks the scrubs that they have now are going to be just fine . Why would he waste the 14th pick on the best guard prospect in the last 10 years ?

Show me any evaluation that says DeCastro is the best prospect in 10 years. I hear this a lot but I have never seen it actually stated by anybody in print. It well be true but it would be nice to see this opinion confirmed by somebody who evaluates NFL talent.

I believe we do need another starting Guard but I don't believe we can afford to both draft one at 14 and sign a top FA. I don't know what the Cowboys are thinking but I have not seen anything that would lead me to believe this is what our intentions might be. You said it yourself, just as I have been saying for some time. This is a very deep draft for Guards. I could see us signing an FA and then taking a Guard later in the draft. I guess we will see what happens.

 

[jterrell]

I really think the question becomes, do you want to sign an FA Guard or do you want to use #14 on a Guard? I don't think we do both?

What provides more bang for the Buck?

Option A - Decastro at 14

Option B - Sign an FA Guard and take another need player at 14 and draft another Guard later in the draft?

Or you do neither. You bring in Nagy, Dockery, Holland, Arkin, Kosier, Kowalski and Costa and then find the best 3 to start all at a price that fits interior line.

You only have so many resources and some positions like Cb require more of them.

If we sign an OG I suspect it will be a much lower tiered guy than Nicks and will be to replace Kosier as the proven guy on the interior OL. I do not see us drafting an OG at 14 because that is not our history and would be the highest anyone has drafted a guard in a decade.

 

[Risen Star]

Or you do neither. You bring in Nagy, Dockery, Holland, Arkin, Kosier, Kowalski and Costa and then find the best 3 to start all at a price that fits interior line.

What a disaster that would be. No offense, but in a plethora of offseason plans posted on this board, many of them ridiculous, this is the worst idea of all of them.

 

[burmafrd]

What a disaster that would be. No offense, but in a plethora of offseason plans posted on this board, many of them ridiculous, this is the worst idea of all of them.

best 3 out of 6 scrubs. What a plan.

 

[burmafrd]

http://nflsfuture.com/2012/01/03/2012-nfl-draft-fiesta-bowl-recap/#more-4997

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/draft2012OG.php

http://nfldraftseason.com/2012-nfl-draft-player-rankings/2012-nfl-draft-guard-rankings/

http://draftcountdown.com/blog/NFL-Draft-Blog.php


fair number of sites saying how good Decastro is


And this is what Gil said recently
"This kid reminds me of Vikings All-Pro guard Chad Hutchinson"

 

[jterrell]

What a disaster that would be. No offense, but in a plethora of offseason plans posted on this board, many of them ridiculous, this is the worst idea of all of them.

There is a decade of football disagreeing with you.

You do not generally succeed committing premium resources (high draft picks or large dollars) to interior OL. Not in this pass happy skill-starved age.

Interior OL are the least valued positions on the field amongst the starting 22.

But we shall see.