Could Murray’s Production Be Replaced By Just Anyone? Teammates Scoff, RB Laughs

[JoeKing]

Yeah any old pick right? there are so many college RB who can't block to save their lives let alone the QB life, the position entails more than just running the ball. Not to mention so many RB who were great in college and nothing more than Jags in the NFL

I was specifically talking about the 3rd round pick that DeMarco was. Not just any old pick. We can replace his talent in the draft and not pay is his new price tag.

 

[JoeKing]

Murray will not be getting what Dez will likely get. Should Murray get 6 mill a year that would be well below what Dez will be getting. As for paying everyone that much? who said that, I think paying a star player on the team a guy who accounted for 40% of the offense is not some JAG.

Murray won't get half of what Dez gets and Murray won't get another dime from the Cowboys. We can get his production from a far cheaper player.

 

[Doomsday101]

I was specifically talking about the 3rd round pick that DeMarco was. Not just any old pick. We can replace his talent in the draft and not pay is his new price tag.

Maybe, maybe not there are 1st rd picks at RB who have never played to Murray level. Dallas has had many JAG RB and it would be stupid to take a step backwards instead of forward. I'm glad Romo has said he is harping on Jerry to get both Dez and Murray signed I think he and others on this team know the overall importance of Murray. Hell why not replace Romo instead of paying him after all he is only an UDFA. Where you get selected and how you actually perform are 2 different things.

 

[Doomsday101]

Murray won't get half of what Dez gets and Murray won't get another dime from the Cowboys. We can get his production from a far cheaper player.

yes we can get cheaper does not mean better. I don't expect Murray to get the same pay that Dez will I do expect the Cowboys to make a legit offer. 4 mill is not that hell there are a lot backs who are getting that and do not have near the role that Murray does.

 

[JoeKing]

Maybe, maybe not there are 1st rd picks at RB who have never played to Murray level. Dallas has had many JAG RB and it would be stupid to take a step backwards instead of forward. I'm glad Romo has said he is harping on Jerry to get both Dez and Murray signed I think he and others on this team know the overall importance of Murray. Hell why not replace Romo instead of paying him after all he is only an UDFA. Where you get selected and how you actually perform are 2 different things.

You sound like you don't understand that the ceiling for paying a RB has collapsed. They don't get paid bank anymore.

 

[Doomsday101]

You sound like you don't understand that the ceiling for paying a RB has collapsed. They don't get paid bank anymore.

since when, you seem to think there is yet it was only last season that Jamal Charles signed a contract 2 years 18 mill, does not sound like much of a collapse.

 

[JoeKing]

yes we can get cheaper does not mean better. I don't expect Murray to get the same pay that Dez will I do expect the Cowboys to make a legit offer. 4 mill is not that hell there are a lot backs who are getting that and do not have near the role that Murray does.

I'm glad you're not in a position to write those checks. Murray is not going to get his asking price. 4 mill is plenty.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Hmmmm a bunch of wanna be coaches here at the zones opinion or guys who actually play's opinion. Hmmmmmm

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm glad you're not in a position to write those checks. Murray is not going to get his asking price. 4 mill is plenty.

I'm glad your not, we would not keep any talent. 4 mill is plenty according to what you? Dallas FG Dan Bailey is near 4 mill a year

 

[Dave_in-NC]

since when, you seem to think there is yet it was only last season that Jamal Charles signed a contract 2 years 18 mill, does not sound like much of a collapse.

And he hasn't done what Murray does for the Cowboys.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Sometimes I view this board as women gossiping over the back fence. One says something she heard and the others nod in agreement.

The league is like the ocean, an ever-moving body of water that is never the same from one moment to the next. One team figures out how to attack a defense, and suddenly the next season five others are imitating that offense. A DC devises a scheme that is successful against the latest and greatest, and other coordinators flock to find the nugget in that scheme to make their players potent.

Yet there is immutable truth which can be relied on from season to season.

Coaches can make players better, but the coaches who continually are considered the best have players that can execute. If you cannot execute my scheme, then no matter how good a coach I might be, doesn't matter.

Landry created the Flex defense. It was a read/react defense that flew in the face of the conventional defenses of its day. The player had to recognize, then execute. For this reason the media labeled his teams as finesse. They didn't appear like the maulers fielded by teams like Pittsburgh.

Landry had to find players who could execute. Now one might make the argument at the end of his career the league passed him by. I have made that argument. But the older I get I have come to realize its the lack of players that made Landry pedestrian, and not his coaching. As the management dissolved, the brain trust that picked the right players, Landry became vulnerable.

Marinelli had a scheme which could be executed by the players he had. High motor guys who did their job on every play. But we see what happens when you don't have talent, as exhibited by the GB game. (Although, to be fair, I think Linehan made a couple of errors in that game in play calling.) Yet, if the talent was better, could Marinello moved out of character and attacked a gimpy Rodgers and changed the game drastically?

It takes players to execute.

This is a long way around the barn to say this. While the line opened the holes, and as Zach Martin suggested, sometimes gave Murray green grass, it was the end of the runs that showed how he is different. As Dooms said, the dirty yards where the pile moved forward.

I have suffered the inanity of comments that he isn't a break away speedster and left yards on the field. But this game is built around third down and not long runs. It's moving the sticks which matter.

We baseball fans love the home run. But its the single that scores a guy from second, giving the batter a shot at second base that is more meaningful. We as fans of football love the deep pass for a TD. But it is the long sustained drives that eat clock and result in seven which win games.

We have seen an offense which thrives on the passing game, and putting the onus on the QB. It was beautiful at times. Yet what ended up being the catalyst to change came from adding a terrific running back to take the pressure off the QB and make the offense balanced and unpredictable. And a RB that got the dirty yards and moved the chains.

So as the women gather at the back fence, tossing out bromides of any one of five-hundred RB's can supplant Murray because it was the line, or the game is not about the RB, or he leaves yards on the field, I have to wonder if you really listen to yourself? Do you really see what transpired?

This team posted almost 29 PPG and was close, if not the top team in time of possession.

If you discount what just happened with this team by saying it was the line only, then perhaps you need a dose reviewing games when this team had squadouche at RB. Little guys who could break it long but not get the tough yards.

So while we spend an off-season arguing this point, keep in mind, this coach - Garrett - has the player - Murray - who can execute. We have seen it over and over.

Answer this. Why would you change what works for something that is unknown? The team can do what it takes to afford Murray, regardless of what this board says.

Why try and fix what ain't broke?

There is no answer.

 

[JoeKing]

since when, you seem to think there is yet it was only last season that Jamal Charles signed a contract 2 years 18 mill, does not sound like much of a collapse.

Did Kanas City make the playoffs? No? So was that money well spent?

I don't believe doing something financial irresponsible can be justified because some one else is doing it too.

 

[JoeKing]

And he hasn't done what Murray does for the Cowboys.

So they should feel stupid for paying him that amount of money and not getting Murray's production.

 

[Doomsday101]

And he hasn't done what Murray does for the Cowboys.

I agree. I think there is a limit but hell even at 6 mill a year Murray would still be below several RB. Peterson, Charles, McCoy, Foster, Forte, Lynch, Stewart and Gore. At 4 mill a year add Spiller, Richardson, Mathews and Fred Jackson who are paid more than 4 mill

 

[Doomsday101]

Did Kanas City make the playoffs? No? So was that money well spent?

I don't believe doing something financial irresponsible can be justified because some one else is doing it.

It is paying the market value, which you just claimed the market being something it was not. Saints did not make the playoffs maybe Brees does not need to be paid like that. Sorry but claiming a team did not go to the playoffs as if it has anything to do with it is just stupid.

 

[JoeKing]

I agree. I think there is a limit but hell even at 6 mill a year Murray would still be below several RB. Peterson, Charles, McCoy, Foster, Forte, Lynch, Stewart and Gore. At 4 mill a year add Spiller, Richardson, Mathews and Fred Jackson who are paid more than 4 mill

All bad deals.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

So they should feel stupid for paying him that amount of money and not getting Murray's production.

Yup. But that isn't the same as paying Murray who gives you that production.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Did Kanas City make the playoffs? No? So was that money well spent?

I don't believe doing something financial irresponsible can be justified because some one else is doing it too.

Wow then a ton of Cowboys have been over paid for years and years that are still on the roster.

 

[Doomsday101]

All bad deals.

Ok those are bad deals because you say so? LOL I think all players are over paid in the NFL Rogers sure as hell does not deserve 22 million a year but it is what the market is. Lynch gets paid a lot sure he has also been a main part of the Seahawks offense. Just as Murray has accounted for 40% of the offense in Dallas

 

[KJJ]

I don't believe you can insert just any back and get the production Murray produced this season. With a "quality" back yes you could get production behind the Cowboys OL but not just any back. Jerry has had some miscalculations with backs over the years. He seemed convinced Troy Hambrick could replace Emmitt because of how well he produced in a backup role. Jerry seemed to think Marion Barber could produce as a starter like he did as a situational back. Jerry thought Felix Jones and Barber would give the Cowboys a good one-two punch and that didn't workout as planned.

You can't just give the OL all the credit Murray is a solid back who created some great runs on his own. If the Cowboys lose Murray it's critical they replace him with a solid back because a decline in the running game would force Romo to have to put the ball up more and he likely won't be as efficient as what we saw this past season. His success this season was primarily due to having the second best rushing attack in the league. Murray put up over 1800 yards and 13 TD's that's a lot of production that would have to be replaced if he walks.