Could Ogletree Get Cut?

[CowboyDan]

What has any rookie that caught his one and only preseason pass not done when given the opportunity?

Great, he caught some short bubble screens thrown to him, turned a couple into decent gains, and caught a couple of other passes. It's enough to whet our appetite, but can we really call it proof that he can perform consistently, catch balls over the middle with defenders on him tight (he's dropped some this preseason), beat DB's who press him at the line of scrimmage, or run a variety of routes with precison?

AS I SAID, lack of opportunity does not equate to proof, and catching 7 passes for 96 yards does not equate to proof.

And I will add to that. You don't assume a person can do all the things a quality NFL receiver needs to do just because he hasn't had the opportunity.

So he just gets lucky in the actual games then right?

 

[Stautner]

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And this tells us what? Provides proof that he caught 7 passes and made one nice special teams tackle? Great, put him in the same bundle with all the other 5th string WR's on NFL rosters last year.

 

[CowboyDan]

And this tells us what? Provides proof that he caught 7 passes and made one nice special teams tackle? Great, put him in the same bundle with all the other 5th string WR's on NFL rosters last year.

No, better yet, cut him and let another team in the NFC pick him up. That'd be great, cause we still have Patrick Crayton!

 

[Stautner]

So he just gets lucky in the actual games then right?

What in the world are you talking about? Do you really pay attention to anything you respond to, because from your last few responses to me it is clear you aren't reading what you are writing about.

Where did I say the catches he has made are flukes? Where did I suggest it? Imply it?

In fact, I said that his 7 catches were enough to whet our appetite .... now didn't I? Go ahead - read back - maybe a little slower this time.

What I said was that 7 catches are not enough to qualify as proof. Do you have any idea how many WR's in the NFL caught at least 7 passes last year? Do you think every one of them has proven themselves?

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

My money is on him stepping it up in the last two preseason games.

 

[Stautner]

My money is on him stepping it up in the last two preseason games.

I hope he does. I would love to see him step it up and start taking charge of his role on the team.

 

[CowboyDan]

What in the world are you talking about? Do you really pay attention to anything you respond to, because from your last few responses to me it is clear you aren't reading what you are writing about.

Where did I say the catches he has made are flukes? Where did I suggest it? Imply it?

In fact, I said that his 7 catches were enough to whet our appetite .... now didn't I? Go ahead - read back - maybe a little slower this time.

What I said was that 7 catches are not enough to qualify as proof. Do you have any idea how many WR's in the NFL caught at least 7 passes last year? Do you think every one of them has proven themselves?

Oh look, now we got another ******** on the line! Lucky me. Why is it so hard to have a normal debate on this forum? Let's elevate the conversation a little bit fellas. You might not agree with me, and I'm fine with that. But no need to insult me. I can read just fine, thanks. You still haven't answered my question...what else do you want him to do? He makes the most of the opportunities he gets in games. I'm talking about real games, where he's working with the #1 offense. He's being held back.
According to Jerry, Patrick's not going anywhere. Which is fine if we're keeping 6 WRs. But if we keep 5, as was suggested earlier, than I think keeping Patrick over Hurd or Ogletree is a mistake.

 

[Stautner]

Oh look, now we got another ******** on the line! Lucky me. Why is it so hard to have a normal debate on this forum? Let's elevate the conversation a little bit fellas. You might not agree with me, and I'm fine with that. But no need to insult me. I can read just fine, thanks. You still haven't answered my question...what else do you want him to do? He makes the most of the opportunities he gets in games. I'm talking about real games, where he's working with the #1 offense. He's being held back.
According to Jerry, Patrick's not going anywhere. Which is fine if we're keeping 6 WRs. But if we keep 5, as was suggested earlier, than I think keeping Patrick over Hurd or Ogletree is a mistake.

I got that way after you assumed things I didn't say .... and weren't a few of your comments a little on the smrtass side?

I have made it clear what I want him to do - catch enough passes, and enough variety of passes, to prove that he is solid to make the team and really has the kind of upside some have strangely said he has already proven with 7 catches.

I hope he does end up proving it, but he just has not. And maybe that is due to lack of opportunity, but we won't know that until there is the opportunity.

If he never gets the opportunities, then people can argue about whether the coaches screwed up or not, but it still doesn't change the fact that the proof is in what is done, and not in what is assumed or extrapolated based on a handful of catches. And that's what people are doing. They are taking that whetting of the appetite taking the illogical leap into thinking that it is already sufficient proof.

 

[baj1dallas]

I'm still waiting to see the unbridled potential so many claim Ogletree has. Sure his speed has to count for something, but not everything. So far he hasn't produced much as a reciever, nor as a return man.

I agree he's a little overrated but he does have potential. I think he's trying to find a way to contribute to ST which is good because he's going to have to make an impact there to stick around. I think he's got probably a 75% chance to make the team this season.

 

[KJJ]

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That was last season and some of those highlights were from preseason. He hasn't made one play worthy of a highlight this preseason. So far this year he's done SQUAT in camp and preseason. He's been one of the least impressive receivers in camp thus far. Instead of trying to build off last season putting in some hard work during the offseason he was too busy hanging out with Austin and Kim Kardashian in Beverly Hills being chauffeured around in a Bentley. He's been struggling ever since the OTA's because Jerry and alot of Cowboys fans were drooling over him after only 7 catches for 96 yards last season. LOL It all went to his head and he didn't enter the offseason program with the same determination he did as a rookie and now he's regressed.

Both Crayton and Hurd made bigger plays than Ogletree last season and they both averaged more yards per catch than he did. They also scored TD's. So far this year Ogletree has looked like the undrafted FA he is. As we speak Hurd and Crayton are much more valuable to the Cowboys THIS SEASON than Ogletree who's taken a step back. He better get his head out of the clouds and start performing or what appeared to be a promising start to his NFL career last season is all going to come crashing down.

 

[casmith07]

Oh look, now we got another ******** on the line! Lucky me. Why is it so hard to have a normal debate on this forum? Let's elevate the conversation a little bit fellas. You might not agree with me, and I'm fine with that. But no need to insult me. I can read just fine, thanks. You still haven't answered my question...what else do you want him to do? He makes the most of the opportunities he gets in games. I'm talking about real games, where he's working with the #1 offense. He's being held back.
According to Jerry, Patrick's not going anywhere. Which is fine if we're keeping 6 WRs. But if we keep 5, as was suggested earlier, than I think keeping Patrick over Hurd or Ogletree is a mistake.

Name-calling is generally the first step of a chicken little poster when their arguement is about as shallow as a glass of water.

 

[CowboyDan]

He's actually had a feast or famine training camp. Really strong some days, not so strong on others. What receiver on this team has had a preseason highlight this year? Miles had a nice catch Saturday night, but that was more on the great throw by the QB. No doubt Hurd and Crayton have better numbers...they're in for more plays throughout the season. Last season Crayton was the #3, Hurd was the #4, Ogletree was the #5.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No.

Are we sure?

Let's say we keep 10 in the secondary - Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick, McCann, Gordan - CBs and Ball, Sensabaugh, Hamlin, Church and McCray (as a special teams player) as safeties. (EDIT: I left off AOA, so EVEN if one of the above get cut - i.e. Church, McCann, McCray - the point remains the same)

So we cut Watkins, one of our best special teamers. This makes Hurd more valuable. So lets say we keep Hurd.

NOW, as is already documented there is a GREAT chance we keep 10 lineman.

So do we REALLY keep SIX receivers? Miles, Austin, RW, Crayton and HURD.

What does Ogletree bring? Can he bring it on special teams? Does he really bring enough?

When the current roster situation, I am not sure he makes it.

Ok - go ahead and call me crazy. Just remember, I'm not saying its happening, but I dont think its impossible.

If Church and McCray perform well for special teams, then how many "hurds" do you need. Hurd doesn't bring anything but special teams play. I know he is good, but I rank special teams 3rd compared to offense, defense and its not like he is the QB of the special teams. there is 11 other guys running their arses off to cover. he is not as valuable as people make him out to be.

 

[CowboyDan]

Name-calling is generally the first step of a chicken little poster when their arguement is about as shallow as a glass of water.

How am I a chicken little poster. (that's name calling by the way.)

 

[casmith07]

How am I a chicken little poster. (that's name calling by the way.)

Cut Crayton? Over Ogletree? Seriously? Do you watch football?

 

[Stautner]

I agree he's a little overrated but he does have potential. I think he's trying to find a way to contribute to ST which is good because he's going to have to make an impact there to stick around. I think he's got probably a 75% chance to make the team this season.

This is a pretty fair assessment. I agree that he has potential, but too many people want to make the leap with him that showing potential is the same as showing proof that he is just too good to have to compete for a spot on the team.

That was last season and some of those highlights were from preseason. He hasn't made one play worthy of a highlight this preseason. So far this year he's done SQUAT in camp and preseason. He's been one of the least impressive receivers in camp thus far. Instead of trying to build off last season putting in some hard work during the offseason he was too busy hanging out with Austin and Kim Kardashian in Beverly Hills being chauffeured around in a Bentley. He's been struggling ever since the OTA's because Jerry and alot of Cowboys fans were drooling over him after only 7 catches for 96 yards last season. LOL It all went to his head and he didn't enter the offseason program with the same determination he did as a rookie and now he's regressed.

Both Crayton and Hurd made bigger plays than Ogletree last season and they both averaged more yards per catch than he did. They also scored TD's. So far this year Ogletree has looked like the undrafted FA he is. As we speak Hurd and Crayton are much more valuable to the Cowboys THIS SEASON than Ogletree who's taken a step back. He better get his head out of the clouds and start performing or what appeared to be a promising start to his NFL career last season is all going to come crashing down.

This is pretty harsh, but there is a basic truth, and that is that the handful of plays he made last year were enough to show potential, but not enough to cakewalk through TC and preseason this year like he is a proven and established veteran.

 

[cobra]

I love how you lace every post with some ******** comment.

I have to when I see asinine stupidity like this:

He goes against 3rd and 4th CBs and LBs. His 622 would be 850yds with a better receiver.

Ok, Capt. Genius. Name me one other #3 WR in the league with 850 yards receiving last year. Name me more than five #2 WRs last year that had 850 yards.

Guess what? You can't. And yet you ignorantly argue that if our #3 WR was better than Crayton, he would have had 850 yards as a #3 WR. The abject stupidity of comments like that is why I have to call out your stupidity. Because you say stupid things.

His 2 punt returns would've been 5 with a better returner..

More idiocy. So he was tied with one other player in the league for the lead in the NFL with 2 punt returns for TDs. Name me any player that could have had 5 punt returns for a TD. Anyone in the league. You can't. But you think we could have had 5 with someone else.

Facts prove that your full of it... there's not a more productive #3 WR in the league and certainly not a #4 WR in the league in the same universe with him. Yet you want to cut him because he is not good enough to be a #4 WR.

There's a word for the kind of things you are spewing here... what is it....

 

[Stautner]

I love how you lace every post with some ******** comment.
Abject stupidity is holding back a young, fast, talented, cheap receiver's career because you have PC in his place. You're trying to tell me that Patrick's so great that no team offered a reasonable deal for him in the offseason? .

Wow, if the fact that we didn't get a deal we couldn't refuse for Crayton means Crayton isn't very good, then that must mean Romo sucks, and Austin sucks, and Ratliff sucks, and Scandrick sucks, and ....... well, hell, I guess every returning player sucks.

I have to say, i'm a little underwhelmed at your logic.

 

[cobra]

I have to say, i'm a little underwhelmed at your logic.

Logic? If you are trying to find logic in what this guy is saying, you'd have better luck trying to find WWII submarine codes in his comments.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Ifthe Cowboys keep 6 WRs, with Ogletree being one of them, he will most likely be in-active on gameday.

He is no where near as good on special teams as Hurd, and he is definitely not taking plays away from the other WRs.