Could/Would have 3 #1's

[ThatsmyQB]

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Who says he can't carry the ball 20 times a game????????????????
He certainly can carry it that many times a game!
Who's this BOOKMARK R.B. and W.R. we're gonna get with the 1st and 3rd rounder we'd give up for Barber?[
McFadden and I think we could trade for Fitz or Williams

McFadden and I???
If you trade a 1st and 3rd for Williams, we would not be able to aquire McFadden!

The Giants game says he can't carry 20 times a game...he was tired the entire second half imo.

Based on ONE GAME?

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Sure, just like Mike Mamula, and Blair Thomas, and Ki-Jana Carter, and all the other top backs who ended up being BUSTS, is REGGIE BUSH not ATHLETIC enough for ya?
Mike Mamula is a frickin linebacker..

NO KIDDING, but he was the most athletic and had the best combine of anyone and he ended up being a BUST, just because someone is ATHLETIC or TOO ATHLETIC as you put it like McFadden does NOT GUARANTEE SUCCESS in the NFL!

Just like LaDainian Tomlinson, Jamal Lewis, Edgerrin James...they were all top5 if I'm not mistaken.

Since 1990, that's 18 years of drafting, you have Tomlinson, Lewis, Edge, and Marshall Faulk, FOUR GREAT BACKS in the top 5 compared to say, oh I don't know, Reggie Bush #2 overall, Cedric Benson #4 overall, Cadillac Williams #5 overall, Thomas Jones #7 overall, Curis Enis #5 overall, Lawrence Phillips #6 overall, Ki-Jana Carter #1 overall, Tommy Vardell #9 overall, Garrison Hearst #3 overall, and Blair Thomas #2 overall.

So, FOUR GREAT BACKS compared to TEN BUSTS!
Now, do you really wanna give away a pro bowl type R.B. who has already proved he can succeed in the NFL at a high level for a CHANCE to select an unproven R.B. AND another #1 draft pick on top of it where the odds of finding greatness are 4 out of 14 with the other 10 times you don't find greatness you find COMPLETE BUSTS?
Not to mention the 70 million dollar contract to kill our cap!
I think this conversation or arguement is OVER!
I WIN!
ANYONE who wants to give up Barber and other #1 picks to get McFadden, all I have to say is, go back to school and study math, 10 out of 14 times the top R.B. picks are busts the past 18 years!
so, do the freakin math, will ya?
Oh, not to mention the 70 million dollar contract to our cap also, more math I know, but try and stay with me here on this one!

 

[big dog cowboy]

Do you think Jerry is going to test the waters with MBIII and see if he can get someone to give up a 1st and 3rd?

Uh, no.

 

[Future]

I WIN!

Not really...you have a different opinion. I think McFadden will be a great NFL runner, and you think we have a guy who is gonna be a great 20 cpg guy. Doesn't mean you win anything. And if Barber is such a great back, don't you think he'll be making similar money to McFadden when we have to resign him?

 

[Primetime0201]

I'd hate this move!
We have a PROVEN R.B. who is a pro-bowler, NEVER give up a proven guy for the UNKNOWN!
Remember, Cadillac Williams, Cedric Benson, Blair Thomas, etc., etc., etc.
Put it this way, if we had THREE 1st round picks and an extra 3rd round pick and Barber was hypothetically available for a 1st and a 3rd round pick and we obviously didnt' have anyone at R.B. since we'd be without Barber, wouldn't we JUMP at the chance to give up a 1st and 3rd for Barber and STILL have TWO 1st round picks, a 2nd and a 3rd rounder????????????
So if we'd gladly give up one of our THEE 1st rounders and one of our TWO 3rd rounders for Barber if he was on another team, why would we put him on the market so someone else could take him for that?

Well, that's just me, maybe you think he's not worth a 1st and 3rd, I don't know, I'm just trying to show it would be stupid to get rid of him.

I hate when you people say we have a "proven" HB. What we have is a proven change of pace back. He folded in the third quarter of playoff game at home against a rival team that we beat twice that year with Jones at half back. He even had a week to rest up since we had the 1st round bye. He has only proven himself to be a good change of pace back and when he had the chance to prove himself as a starter he died out after two quarters.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

Jerry is not a idiot. No he doesnt take a chance on a #1 with a proven back

 

[ThatsmyQB]

Not really...you have a different opinion. I think McFadden will be a great NFL runner, and you think we have a guy who is gonna be a great 20 cpg guy. Doesn't mean you win anything.

Even IF McFadden were to be GREAT, I STILL wouldn't give up Barber and two 1st round picks AND 70 million to sign him!

And if Barber is such a great back, don't you think he'll be making similar money to McFadden when we have to resign him?

Clearly you dont' know how the NFL works!
McFadden before he plays ONE DOWN in the NFL will sign a contract bigger than the one we just gave ROMO, our pro-bowl Q.B., so clearly you asking me this question whether barber is gonna sign the same contract McFadden is to COMPARE how good someone is really speaks of your intelligence or lack of on this subject!
That's like saying if Romo was such a great Q.B. how come Matt Ryan is gonna get a bigger contract then him? LOL
See how stupid that sounds?
I'm done arguing with someone who doesn't understand how the NFL works!
You have a nice day, I'm done arguing with you, you are not on my level!

 

[Future]

K, nice knowin ya

 

[Dallas]

Even IF McFadden were to be GREAT, I STILL wouldn't give up Barber and two 1st round picks AND 70 million to sign him!





Clearly you dont' know how the NFL works!
McFadden before he plays ONE DOWN in the NFL will sign a contract bigger than the one we just gave ROMO, our pro-bowl Q.B., so clearly you asking me this question whether barber is gonna sign the same contract McFadden is to COMPARE how good someone is really speaks of your intelligence or lack of on this subject!
That's like saying if Romo was such a great Q.B. how come Matt Ryan is gonna get a bigger contract then him? LOL
See how stupid that sounds?
I'm done arguing with someone who doesn't understand how the NFL works!
You have a nice day, I'm done arguing with you, you are not on my level!

WoW!

You didn't make it 35 posts w/o making yourself look like a JA.

It took me at least 60 or so.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

WoW!

You didn't make it 35 posts w/o making yourself look like a JA.

It took me at least 60 or so.

Well how else should I respond when the guy makes a statement that makes NO SENSE AT ALL that if Barber was SO GOOD he should get a contract like McFadden is gonna get to try and prove why McFadden is bettter, I'm sorry, but I'd rather simply not waste my time having a conversation like that with someone who is not knowledgeable on how the NFL works, plain and simple, there's always a few on each site, I'd rather weed them out early and move on as to not waste any future time arguing with someone of limited intelligence on the subject at hand is all.

 

[Future]

Well how else should I respond when the guy makes a statement that makes NO SENSE AT ALL that if Barber was SO GOOD he should get a contract like McFadden is gonna get to try and prove why McFadden is bettter, I'm sorry, but I'd rather simply not waste my time having a conversation like that with someone who is not knowledgeable on how the NFL works, plain and simple, there's always a few on each site, I'd rather weed them out early and move on as to not waste any future time arguing with someone of limited intelligence on the subject at hand is all.

And there have been a few posters who burst onto the scene with excessive posts and capital letters, only to dissappear after a week or so. They are trolls.

 

[ThatsmyQB]

And there have been a few posters who burst onto the scene with excessive posts and capital letters, only to dissappear after a week or so. They are trolls.

So now I'm a troll cause you ran out of logic and common sense for the arguement that you resorted to saying If Barber was so good then he'd be getting a bigger contract than McFadden?

You know that's the lamest arguement in the world, don't you?

Please just admit that so I dont' think you're completely clueless.

 

[Future]

So now I'm a troll cause you ran out of logic and common sense for the arguement that you resorted to saying If Barber was so good then he'd be getting a bigger contract than McFadden?

You know that's the lamest arguement in the world, don't you?

Please just admit that so I dont' think you're completely clueless.

Great use of spacing and punctuation here.

Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say he'd get a bigger contract than McFadden...

You are a troll because you have over 40 posts in a day and are trying to be a cyber-thug making a name for yourself as Mr. Cowboys. Good luck with that....


:thumbdo:

 

[ENGCowboy]

OK OK CALM DOWN

Oh sorry got a bit carried away. But lets face it the Cowboys are going to put a 1st and 3rd tender on MBIII and if a team decides they want to give it up they will and the Boys would be stupid not to accept it, any offer like this would more than likely come with a contract with a sting in the tail for the Cowboys. Something along the lines of a huge bonus if he plays so many games in the NFC East Division.

3 1sts would allow us to control the first round holding almost a tenth of the picks available, movement would be easy and we would be first point of call for all teams on the first day. We could also trade down and pick up another first next year without compromising our draft this year.

The options are mind boggling and a 1st and a 3rd for MBIII is likely more than he would be worth in a trade.

 

[KDWilliams85]

I love how you all spooge on MBIII. You'd all have his children if you could. Bottom line is that MBIII is playing for a contract. Now, he'll at least get the tender from the 'Boys, no doubt. But if you're seeking a long-term investment in a back that has been splitting carries with someone who CAN shoulder the load, then that raises some questions.

You're all pleading to not sell the farm for one guy who can potentially do what MBIII can and then some. Besides, if someone tenders MBIII, the Cowboys do effectively sell the farm to keep him. He's going to chew any and all free cap space because you want him to match any offer.

So, the idea here is to let him go and package the picks and create a long-term solution package instead of staying happy now. Which makes some of the supporters of MBIII turn into a raging hypocrite whose gone mad.

You wouldn't have been saying this crap had MBIII originally been picked at a higher point in the draft. You want to embrace value when you can get it but when you are in a precarious position with other emerging "value" players and other youthful talent that has yet to get extensions, you sure do want your cake and eat it too. Someone's going to have to give and it's going to be MBIII.

In a draft that's deep at what he does, there is NO reason to retain him. You saw what happened with Michael Turner last season. He was as an unproven talent as anyone in the draft. Bear in mind anyone can thrive in a system that allows him to show his skills or against a system that isn't able to stop them.

Give him a full year at the starting position. Then, stick a "For Sale" sign on the farm. Until then, he can be ousted by anyone.

 

[Hoofbite]

I love how you all spooge on MBIII. You'd all have his children if you could. Bottom line is that MBIII is playing for a contract. Now, he'll at least get the tender from the 'Boys, no doubt. But if you're seeking a long-term investment in a back that has been splitting carries with someone who CAN shoulder the load, then that raises some questions.

You're all pleading to not sell the farm for one guy who can potentially do what MBIII can and then some. Besides, if someone tenders MBIII, the Cowboys do effectively sell the farm to keep him. He's going to chew any and all free cap space because you want him to match any offer.

So, the idea here is to let him go and package the picks and create a long-term solution package instead of staying happy now. Which makes some of the supporters of MBIII turn into a raging hypocrite whose gone mad.

You wouldn't have been saying this crap had MBIII originally been picked at a higher point in the draft. You want to embrace value when you can get it but when you are in a precarious position with other emerging "value" players and other youthful talent that has yet to get extensions, you sure do want your cake and eat it too. Someone's going to have to give and it's going to be MBIII.

In a draft that's deep at what he does, there is NO reason to retain him. You saw what happened with Michael Turner last season. He was as an unproven talent as anyone in the draft. Bear in mind anyone can thrive in a system that allows him to show his skills or against a system that isn't able to stop them.

Give him a full year at the starting position. Then, stick a "For Sale" sign on the farm. Until then, he can be ousted by anyone.

I pray that you aren't advocating letting barber sign elsewhere for the picks and then moving up for DMC.

 

[Sarge]

What the H3** is people's infatuation with trading away one of the huge bright spots on this team as far as getting players fired up goes?

Barber is far more than a RB for this team - he gets the team fired up, unlike any other player on the ENTIRE team.

Oh yeah, he's a pretty good RB as well.

 

[Jarv]

What the H3** is people's infatuation with trading away one of the huge bright spots on this team as far as getting players fired up goes?

Barber is far more than a RB for this team - he gets the team fired up, unlike any other player on the ENTIRE team.

Oh yeah, he's a pretty good RB as well.

Ditto Sarge. Lets all not forget that MB III did have a pro bowl year last year as the backup behind a Spranano line. Wait until you see this kid running behind a HH coached line that actually give Barber holes to run through, instead of breaking 4 tackles to get 6 yards.

He is going to have a monster year in 08.

 

[TNCowboy]

Aside from the good reasons for not trading Barber, why would a team give up a 1 and a 3 for a RB, unless they were at the bottom of the 1st round? If they tender a 1 & 3 to MBIII, I doubt seriously that any team will even talk to him. Giving up 2 picks and a big contract for MBIII makes no sense for anyone, just as letting him go makes no sense for Dallas.

RBs are way too easy to find. Most teams have a good one, and some teams have 2.

 

[Bach]

What the H3** is people's infatuation with trading away one of the huge bright spots on this team as far as getting players fired up goes?

Barber is far more than a RB for this team - he gets the team fired up, unlike any other player on the ENTIRE team.

Oh yeah, he's a pretty good RB as well.

Beats me.

It'd be like people wanting to trade Ware so we can get another first rounder to draft a new pass rusher. It's pure lunacy.

 

[Hoofbite]

What the H3** is people's infatuation with trading away one of the huge bright spots on this team as far as getting players fired up goes?

Barber is far more than a RB for this team - he gets the team fired up, unlike any other player on the ENTIRE team.

Oh yeah, he's a pretty good RB as well.

I was wondering the same thing the other day. I think its just the picks. People seem to be absolutely head over heals for draft picks. Even though many players in the 1st round don't even sniff Barbers level, having draft picks is all they want, care or need.