Courtney Brown

[trueblue1687]

another reason why Hamlin shouldn't be getting a big deal, don't get me wrong, would be glad to have him back, but we have 2 talented FS candidates on the roster

it's just not worth to tie up alot of money in a FS, it will be interesting to see what happens w/ him

Have you been watching this team since Woodson left?? We have nothing on the roster behind Hamlin....just prospects. If you want to be force fed the learning curve and the gamble to stick in a late round choice, please wish that on another team, one of our rivals would be nice. Pay Hamlin a fair price and move on....there's a reason he was signed in the first place, think about it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Have you been watching this team since Woodson left?? We have nothing on the roster behind Hamlin....just prospects. If you want to be force fed the learning curve and the gamble to stick in a late round choice, please wish that on another team, one of our rivals would be nice. Pay Hamlin a fair price and move on....there's a reason he was signed in the first place, think about it.

Watkins has 2 years of NFL experience, and his biggest problem was being to scared to call the defensive signals his rookie year, 2 years should be enough to help overcome that fear

if he wasn't progressing as expected, he wouldn't have sniffed the field this year

all I'm saying it's not worth it to pay a FS multi-millions, thank goodness we can afford it, but if push came to shove...

 

[TheCount]

I think it's easier for someone that size to be moving forward to "a spot" rather than moving backwards having to react all the time.

WR's don't react? You make it sound like there's nobody playing defense, trying to stop you from getting to a spot.

 

[Angus]

BLUNTLY Pat Watkins has shown VERY little. We are stuck with Roy for the forseeable future so it is CRITICAL that the other Safety do well. So that is why Hamlin is a must. I really cannot see how after all the problems we have had since 2004 and how much better we were last year more people cannot see the plain truth: WE NEED HAMLIN.

I think the same way. Watkins has shown no aptitude for directing traffic in the backfield, and in addition he has demonstrated very little awareness of position.

Hamlin is needed now. But if Brown is really good and for a year more soaks up the information Hamlin can impart to him, I think he may be the next home grown free safety for the Cowboys.

 

[CowboyMort]

I'm a little curious about what happens to Courtney with the Cowboys. He was projected to go higher than where we got him, and then we ended up switching him to FS from CB.

I didn't follow it closely, but was anything said about why they thought FS was a better spot for him? Especially with Pat already on the roster. Was his coverage just horrible or what? He has good physical tools, and is especially quick for a guy his size.

Brown was a very good cb on a small school team. I think he has a chance to get some playing time sometime in the 09' season. Maybe if he progresses rapidly we can see something out of him next season. He plays the ball well in the air and has nice ball awareness.

I saw him play a few times in college and he generally was matched up on the best WR. I think he gave up something like 7-9 catches his whole sr season playing cb. That was a season after he had ACL surgery. He has potential, but I think time will tell on this one. I am very interested to see what he does in the pre-season.

He could also turn out to be a very good special teams guy. Maybe they are thinking he takes Davis' spot there. I wouldn't say he is the hitter that Davis is though. I spoke to one of Davis' good friends and he said there is no way Davis signs with the Cowboys. He wants a chance to start.

 

[skinsscalper]

Many are underestimating what Hamlin brought to the defense. I'll give you a hint: it has less to do with his skills and a lot more to do with his leadership.

At the end of the 06 our entire pass defense looked confused and outmatched. Hamlin came in and took command of that unit and, although it wasn't the best secondary in the league, they were no longer confused. Outmatched on a few occasions? You bet. But I can live with being physically outmatched (some WRs are just plain faster and more athletic) as long as guys know their assignment. With Hamlin guiding that group they, more often than not, knew their assignment!

To top it off Hamlin had the cajones to come in and command a group of veterans that were already on the team (Newman, Henry, Williams) and LEAD them. So many posters on this board wax poetic about the need for a "fiery leader" to "lead this defense", and then we have thread where there's interjection about dumping the best "leader" we've had on this defense since Darren Woodson. For what? To save a little cap space. Go with the cheaper route for ***** and giggles. Un-*******-believable.

The insanity is mind-boggling around here sometimes.

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[TheCount]

Many are underestimating what Hamlin brought to the defense. I'll give you a hint: it has less to do with his skills and a lot more to do with his leadership.

At the end of the 06 our entire pass defense looked confused and outmatched. Hamlin came in and took command of that unit and, although it wasn't the best secondary in the league, they were no longer confused. Outmatched on a few occasions? You bet. But I can live with being physically outmatched (some WRs are just plain faster and more athletic) as long as guys know their assignment. With Hamlin guiding that group they, more often than not, knew their assignment!

Now, I may be mistaken, but I am pretty sure more changed on this team than just getting Hamlin... now I can't put my finger on what those changes might have been (staff, scheme, personnel, pass rush, experience, etc) but I'm sure it'll come to me.

Let's not pretend Hamlin was the magic pill. I want to keep the guy as much as anyone else, but he's not the sole reason we won 13 games this year.

 

[skinsscalper]

Now, I may be mistaken, but I am pretty sure more changed on this team than just getting Hamlin... now I can't put my finger on what those changes might have been (staff, scheme, personnel, pass rush, experience, etc) but I'm sure it'll come to me.

Let's not pretend Hamlin was the magic pill. I want to keep the guy as much as anyone else, but he's not the sole reason we won 13 games this year.

I agree that he's not the sole reason we won 13 games last year. And you can claim, staff, scheme, blah, blah, blah (there aren't many coverage "schemes" in the NFL and they don't differ much from one 3-4 to the next), but Hamlin had a bigger impact on the improved secondary play than any other factor. To deny that is beyond ridiculous. You might have been a fan of that crap secondary play that we trotted out there year after year, but I sure as hell wasn't and it didn't start to turn around until Hamlin came on board.

BTW wasn't Bowles our secondary coach in 06, also? So staff is out, Scheme? Wade himself said that the coverage schemes don't change much between even a 4-3 and a 3-4, so I don't see any type of revelation there. Personel? Wow! Really the only personnel changes I see from 06 to 07 was dumping Glenn, benching Watkins, and signing Hamlin.

But I digress, you've obviously got it all figured out.

 

[TheCount]

I agree that he's not the sole reason we won 13 games last year. And you can claim, staff, scheme, blah, blah, blah (there aren't many coverage "schemes" in the NFL and they don't differ much from one 3-4 to the next), but Hamlin had a bigger impact on the improved secondary play than any other factor. To deny that is beyond ridiculous. You might have been a fan of that crap secondary play that we trotted out there year after year, but I sure as hell wasn't and it didn't start to turn around until Hamlin came on board.

BTW wasn't Bowles our secondary coach in 06, also? So staff is out, Scheme? Wade himself said that the coverage schemes don't change much between even a 4-3 and a 3-4, so I don't see any type of revelation there. Personel? Wow! Really the only personnel changes I see from 06 to 07 was dumping Glenn, benching Watkins, and signing Hamlin.

But I digress, you've obviously got it all figured out.

Consider me ridiculous then. Or consider yourself ridiculous for thinking getting new staff in, and getting rid of The Fish, had less to do with our success than having Ken Hamlin on the roster.

 

[skinsscalper]

Consider me ridiculous then. Or consider yourself ridiculous for thinking getting new staff in, and getting rid of The Fish, had less to do with our success than having Ken Hamlin on the roster.

Go ahead and explain to me which new staff member took over the secondary, genius.

 

[TheCount]

Go ahead and explain to me which new staff member took over the secondary, genius.

Why? Because you think Ken Hamlin flew into Dallas and Supermaned the Dallas defense to elite status. Go right ahead, let me know when he gets inducted in the Hall of Fame so I can tune in for his speech.

 

[cowboyz]

is ken hamlin good enough to manup on the TE? or occasionally on a wr like the other good safeties can?

if not forget him. he's just a jag.

dallas never used him that way, so i'd say no.

sure he's much better than brown and watkins. but dallas needs someone who can do that at the safety position, so they don't have to constantly go to nickel.

especially since roy can't do it.

 

[skinsscalper]

Why? Because you think Ken Hamlin flew into Dallas and Supermaned the Dallas defense to elite status. Go right ahead, let me know when he gets inducted in the Hall of Fame so I can tune in for his speech.

Nice dodge. Good Job!

Your inability to answer a simple question is illustrative of your strength of argument.

Name a player in the secondary that played at a higher level than Hamlin week in and week out.

 

[TheCount]

Nice dodge. Good Job!

Your inability to answer a simple question is illustrative of your strength of argument.

Name a player in the secondary that played at a higher level than Hamlin week in and week out.

You want to know who took over the secondary, I can tell you who took over the whole darn defense, WADE PHILLIPS.

Unless you believe the coach calls a defense and then the secondary coach called his own coverage on top of that.

Oh, and Terrance Newman. So that you don't hurt my feelings by calling me a dodger again. I can also promise you Newman's job in the secondary is a whole lot tougher than Hamlins job.

 

[skinsscalper]

is ken hamlin good enough to manup on the TE? or occasionally on a wr like the other good safeties can?

if not forget him. he's just a jag.

dallas never used him that way, so i'd say no.

sure he's much better than brown and watkins. but dallas needs someone who can do that at the safety position, so they don't have to constantly go to nickel.

especially since roy can't do it.

Name a FS that was better than Hamlin in the NFC this year.

That JAG was a Pro Bowl starter, Mr. Wizard.

Wow! Just Wow!

 

[TheCount]

Name a FS that was better than Hamlin in the NFC this year.

That JAG was a Pro Bowl starter, Mr. Wizard.

Wow! Just Wow!

Are you gonna just keep asking these ridiculous questions until you narrow the possible answers to the ones you want.

Next time just ask, "Which free safety named Ken Hamlin had a better season than Ken Hamlin last year?"

 

[skinsscalper]

You want to know who took over the secondary, I can tell you who took over the whole darn defense, WADE PHILLIPS.

Unless you believe the coach calls a defense and then the secondary coach called his own coverage on top of that.

Oh, and Terrance Newman. So that you don't hurt my feelings by calling me a dodger again. I can also promise you Newman's job in the secondary is a whole lot tougher than Hamlins job.

And up to 07 Newman did a SPECTACULAR job of leading that secondary didn't he. BTW Hamlin actually played in 16 games this year. How bout Newman? Interesting to note that Newman didn't make the Pro Bowl until Hamlin came on board, either (before you retort, I'll admit that Newman may have had as much to do with Hamlin making his first Pro Bowl start).

I also illustrated in the second post that WADE PHILLIPS HIMSELF said that there wasn't much difference between even a 4-3 and a 3-4 coverage scheme (the differences being which LINEBACKER is in coverage). Do you really think that Watkins would have performed up to Hamlin's level just because The Fish bolted and Wade came in? Puhlease! You can scheme until you're blue in the face. It's about the players. Hamlin is one of the 5 best players we've had in this entire secondary over the last ten years. Deny it all you want. The proof is in the pudding.

Carry on though, you obviously have a (weak) agenda.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And up to 07 Newman did a SPECTACULAR job of leading that secondary didn't he. BTW Hamlin actually played in 16 games this year. How bout Newman? Interesting to note that Newman didn't make the Pro Bowl until Hamlin came on board, either (before you retort, I'll admit that Newman may have had as much to do with Hamlin making his first Pro Bowl start).

I also illustrated in the second post that WADE PHILLIPS HIMSELF said that there wasn't much difference between even a 4-3 and a 3-4 coverage scheme (the differences being which LINEBACKER is in coverage). Do you really think that Watkins would have performed up to Hamlin's level just because The Fish bolted and Wade came in? Puhlease! You can scheme until you're blue in the face. It's about the players. Hamlin is one of the 5 best players we've had in this entire secondary over the last ten years. Deny it all you want. The proof is in the pudding.

Carry on though, you obviously have a (weak) agenda.

I don't think the 2 correlate

Newman made the Pro Bowl because his name finally got out there

 

[TheCount]

I don't think the 2 correlate

Newman made the Pro Bowl because his name finally got out there

Don't you dare get logical on me, man. I'm crying from laughing so hard right now.

What I want to know is at what point I said Watkin's should be starting over Hamlin, or that he was better.

 

[skinsscalper]

Are you gonna just keep asking these ridiculous questions until you narrow the possible answers to the ones you want.

Next time just ask, "Which free safety named Ken Hamlin had a better season than Ken Hamlin last year?"

Yet another lame dodge.

I'm asking a simple question that requires a simple answer. How is that ridiculous question. Frustrated by the truth much, Cybil? If you can't come up with a LOGICAL answer that disputes my claim then it looks like your argument is as weak as I knew it was.