Courtney Brown

[skinsscalper]

I don't think the 2 correlate

Newman made the Pro Bowl because his name finally got out there

I disagree, Bob. His name's been out there for years. I DO think he finally got some overdue recognition.

Newman's not a flash guy with inflated INT #s and a big mouth. I think, honestly, that's the reason that he was passed over more often than not.

I also firmly stand by the belief that Hamlin made a major (IMO the biggest) difference in the secondary play this year, and that the improvement (overall) contributed (even if minimally) to Newman's recognition.

 

[cowboyz]

Name a FS that was better than Hamlin in the NFC this year.

That JAG was a Pro Bowl starter, Mr. Wizard.

Wow! Just Wow!

it's not about who is better, but what are they going to get for the extra money?

what's the difference between sharper, deon grant, hamlin, and tavaris jackson? not a whole lot.

i'd rather use that money to keep flozell. or to resign davis for the special teams coverage. or attract a better FA.

dallas should lock up it's difference makers, and allow the JAGs to go. that's the only way they'll have sustained success. if hamlin doesn't want to play for a discount, then he can get his money elsewhere.

 

[TheCount]

Yet another lame dodge.

I'm asking a simple question that requires a simple answer. How is that ridiculous question. Frustrated by the truth much, Cybil? If you can't come up with a LOGICAL answer that disputes my claim then it looks like your argument is as weak as I knew it was.

I don't even know what your question is. Between your pimping Hamlin as the best FS to ever play the game of football and asking questions about individual players in a unit, it's hard to decipher exactly what you're getting at.

 

[dogunwo]

another reason why Hamlin shouldn't be getting a big deal, don't get me wrong, would be glad to have him back, but we have 2 talented FS candidates on the roster

it's just not worth to tie up alot of money in a FS, it will be interesting to see what happens w/ him

Cant bang with you on this one yo. I think if we let Reeves and Jones go, we need to bring in two corners, so maybe we could move Courtney Brown into the dime spot, and a drafted guy to nickel. I doubt we go FA because of all the money poured into the secondary now, especially with Newman's contract coming up

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Watkins has 2 years of NFL experience, and his biggest problem was being to scared to call the defensive signals his rookie year, 2 years should be enough to help overcome that fear

if he wasn't progressing as expected, he wouldn't have sniffed the field this year

all I'm saying it's not worth it to pay a FS multi-millions, thank goodness we can afford it, but if push came to shove...

Whatever dude. You were on the Watkins is good enough bandwagon but 'good enough' is the road to mediocrity. Watkins played all the nickel snaps and did not make plays. The 'he didngt get noticed and thats a good thing' line is also garbage. You wnat a FS that is able to roam anticipate and make plays on the ball. That player is not Pat Watkins and unless he makes a miraculous jump in his ball hawking then we need to keep Hamlin or get someone that can perform.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Are you gonna just keep asking these ridiculous questions until you narrow the possible answers to the ones you want.

Next time just ask, "Which free safety named Ken Hamlin had a better season than Ken Hamlin last year?"

Its a fair question. If you are unable to answer it then the conclusion is obvious.

 

[TheCount]

Whatever dude. You were on the Watkins is good enough bandwagon but 'good enough' is the road to mediocrity. Watkins played all the nickel snaps and did not make plays. The 'he didngt get noticed and thats a good thing' line is also garbage. You wnat a FS that is able to roam anticipate and make plays on the ball. That player is not Pat Watkins and unless he makes a miraculous jump in his ball hawking then we need to keep Hamlin or get someone that can perform.

Odd, I thought he had a pretty good season for only playing nickle downs. I dont know what you expect. He had one less tackle than Anthony Spencer, who had 6 starts.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I disagree, Bob. His name's been out there for years. I DO think he finally got some overdue recognition.

Newman's not a flash guy with inflated INT #s and a big mouth. I think, honestly, that's the reason that he was passed over more often than not.

I also firmly stand by the belief that Hamlin made a major (IMO the biggest) difference in the secondary play this year, and that the improvement (overall) contributed (even if minimally) to Newman's recognition.

I doubt it contributed to it at all because for most of the year, the attention has been on our O, and Newman was finally getting some media people to say his name, such as Peter King, the offseason we acquired Hamlin

and Hamlin did improve the secondary, but our secondary had problems later in the year, and Wade publicly spoke about them on at least 2 occasions, most notably after the Commander game, how they had the correct coverages called, but the players weren't executing, it's not all his fault mind you, but it starts w/ him as he's supposed to have everyone lined up before the snap of the ball

Cant bang with you on this one yo. I think if we let Reeves and Jones go, we need to bring in two corners, so maybe we could move Courtney Brown into the dime spot, and a drafted guy to nickel. I doubt we go FA because of all the money poured into the secondary now, especially with Newman's contract coming up

I don't think Courtney is moving back to CB anytime soon

Whatever dude. You were on the Watkins is good enough bandwagon but 'good enough' is the road to mediocrity. Watkins played all the nickel snaps and did not make plays. The 'he didngt get noticed and thats a good thing' line is also garbage. You wnat a FS that is able to roam anticipate and make plays on the ball. That player is not Pat Watkins and unless he makes a miraculous jump in his ball hawking then we need to keep Hamlin or get someone that can perform.

Watkins had an INT playing in the nickel, and 4 INTs in 2 years, despite only starting about 6 games, so he knows how to play the ball and be in position

the only thing keeping him from being an effective starter is not being afraid to line up the veterans before the snap, which can be solved just by having a working relationship w/ the rest of the starters, and experience

again, you don't need multi-million dollar safety play to win in this league, and I think Watkins is a player who is developing nicely

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Odd, I thought he had a pretty good season for only playing nickle downs. I dont know what you expect. He had one less tackle than Anthony Spencer, who had 6 starts.

good point

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Odd, I thought he had a pretty good season for only playing nickle downs. I dont know what you expect. He had one less tackle than Anthony Spencer, who had 6 starts.

Since when do tackle stats mean anything for a nickel back? He had 1 int and 3 PD playing as the nickel safety which let him see at least 20 some plays a game.

Now PR Against is the best metric but I dont have access to those stats. Hes not awful but hes a JAG.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Watkins had an INT playing in the nickel, and 4 INTs in 2 years, despite only starting about 6 games, so he knows how to play the ball and be in position

the only thing keeping him from being an effective starter is not being afraid to line up the veterans before the snap, which can be solved just by having a working relationship w/ the rest of the starters, and experience

again, you don't need multi-million dollar safety play to win in this league, and I think Watkins is a player who is developing nicely

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Since when is a single interception when he got every nickel snap 'developing nicely?' That and his whopping 3 PD is just plain awful. Its like he was never on the field so he was pretty much wasting space.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Whatever dude. You were on the Watkins is good enough bandwagon but 'good enough' is the road to mediocrity. Watkins played all the nickel snaps and did not make plays. The 'he didngt get noticed and thats a good thing' line is also garbage. You wnat a FS that is able to roam anticipate and make plays on the ball. That player is not Pat Watkins and unless he makes a miraculous jump in his ball hawking then we need to keep Hamlin or get someone that can perform.

Hamlin makes plays on the ball? i could of sworn all of his INT's landed in his lap

newman going to the pro bowl had something to do with our 13-3 record not ken hamlin

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hamlin makes plays on the ball? i could of sworn all of his INT's landed in his lap

Its called being in the proper position. Safeties put themselves into position so it falls into their lap. Notice how that never happens with Watkins? Funny how that works....

 

[theogt]

Since when do tackle stats mean anything for a nickel back? He had 1 int and 3 PD playing as the nickel safety which let him see at least 20 some plays a game.

Now PR Against is the best metric but I dont have access to those stats. Hes not awful but hes a JAG.

Seems to me that if you tripled his playing time those stats might also triple, giving him 3 INTs and 9 PDs, which is just 1 INT short of Hamlin's stats in his 2nd season.

 

[gimmesix]

They didn't like his hips. He's uber-athletic otherwise, though. Could be interesting.

I thought it was more of a case of him being a long-strider, with great long-range speed but poor ability to burst quickly out of cuts.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Its called being in the proper position. Safeties put themselves into position so it falls into their lap. Notice how that never happens with Watkins? Funny how that works....

so being in random position A results in random outcome B can't we just get any body to go do that because it seems as if he's just following the scheme so we can just insert Random Safety and have the duplicate what Hamlin did or get watkins to work on his execution some more

 

[TheCount]

Since when do tackle stats mean anything for a nickel back? He had 1 int and 3 PD playing as the nickel safety which let him see at least 20 some plays a game.

Now PR Against is the best metric but I dont have access to those stats. Hes not awful but hes a JAG.

As much fun as it is to argue with a guy that refuses to see the middle ground on pretty much anything, I think I'll call it a thread. Thanks for playing.

I'm going to go ahead and stick to my logical belief that Ken Hamlin was not single handedly responsible for 4 more wins last season.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Seems to me that if you tripled his playing time those stats might also triple, giving him 3 INTs and 9 PDs, which is just 1 INT short of Hamlin's stats in his 2nd season.

And if my aunt had nuts she would be my uncle.

There is no case for projecting numbers like that seeing that he played every passing down and the additional downs wouldnt be.

Making up stats is fun and all but posits nothing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As much fun as it is to argue with a guy that refuses to see the middle ground on pretty much anything, I think I'll call it a thread. Thanks for playing.

i said he wasnt awful and that he was pretty much replacement player level. Just becasue i dont share your views doesnt mean that I cannot see levity.

 

[theogt]

And if my aunt had nuts she would be my uncle.

There is no case for projecting numbers like that seeing that he played every passing down and the additional downs wouldnt be.

Making up stats is fun and all but posits nothing.

It's called averages. His average INT/PD per play would be very similar to Hamlin's 2nd season. This is why Adrian Peterson had a better season than Tomlinson, while Tomlinson had more yards and TDs.