Courtney Brown

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's called averages. His average INT/PD per play would be very similar to Hamlin's 2nd season. This is why Adrian Peterson had a better season than Tomlinson, while Tomlinson had more yards and TDs.

Are you even going to address the issue with projecting the same averages for passing downs onto the other downs are you just going to ignore that like you always do when someone makes a good point that you have no answer for?

 

[theogt]

Are you even going to address the issue with projecting the same averages for passing downs onto the other downs are you just going to ignore that like you always do when someone makes a good point that you have no answer for?

Do you have any idea what the breakdown was pass-to-run in situations where we were in dime and not in dime?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Do you have any idea what the breakdown was pass-to-run in situations where we were in nickel and not in nickel?

who cares? the fact that they are different is what matters as it makes your projection worthless.

 

[theogt]

who cares? the fact that they are different is what matters as it makes your projection worthless.

You have no idea whether they're different or not.

 

[theogt]

By the way, you could also look at it as INTs/PDs per times targeted. That'd be a more accurate description of their respective "playmaking" ability. These numbers won't be available, unfortunately, until July.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You have no idea whether they're different or not.

whatever dude. if you ant even accept that the breakdown is different on NICKEL DOWNS then there is no point in talking. Its just dumb to argue that on so many levels.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

By the way, you could also look at it as INTs/PDs per times targeted. That'd be a more accurate description of their respective "playmaking" ability.

I agree that there are better metrics. Joyner does passer rating against and that really tells the best story.

 

[theogt]

whatever dude. if you ant even accept that the breakdown is different on NICKEL DOWNS then there is no point in talking. Its just dumb to argue that on so many levels.

I don't think the difference is nearly as big as you seem to think it is.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think the difference is nearly as big as you seem to think it is.

im sure you dont

 

[theogt]

I agree that there are better metrics. Joyner does passer rating against and that really tells the best story.

That must be new because he has not offered that before.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That must be new because he has not offered that before.

Well someone does Adam has access to STATS which has all that info. Maybe we can cajole him to share.

 

[theogt]

im sure you dont

Well, I don't think much of your opinion or assumptions on many things, so I'm not going to just take them as fact here.

 

[theogt]

Well someone does Adam has access to STATS which has all that info. Maybe we can cajole him to share.

You can get the attempts, completions, yardage, TDs and INTs for the corners through the Football Outsiders book and just calculate passer rating from there.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well, I don't think much of your opinion or assumptions on many things, so I'm not going to just take them as fact here.

Sure thing theo. You normally take this stupid tactic and hide behind your ego.

If you want to argue that the pass/run breakdown on NICKEL DOWNS isnt statistically significant you go right ahead.

 

[theogt]

Sure thing theo. You normally take this stupid tactic and hide behind your ego.

If you want to argue that the pass/run breakdown on NICKEL DOWNS isnt statistically significant you go right ahead.

I don't think it's significant enough to make his average so much less impressive than Hamlin's that you'd have any sort of argument by saying "OMGz he only had 1 INTz and 3 PDz!!1111111" That was a laughably stupid argument anyway.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think it's significant enough to make his average so much less impressive than Hamlin's that you'd have any sort of argument by saying "OMGz he only had 1 INTz and 3 PDz!!1111111"

Go ahead and start acting like a child. Im bored with this routine of yours. Making stupid statements and then trying to apply them to me to make your case quite frankly is pathetic.

Have fun theo im done with you on this topic.

 

[theogt]

Go ahead and start acting like a child. Im bored with this routine of yours. Making stupid statements and then trying to apply them to me to make your case quite frankly is pathetic.

Have fun theo im done with you on this topic.

Of course you're done. You didn't have anything to begin with.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Since when do tackle stats mean anything for a nickel back? He had 1 int and 3 PD playing as the nickel safety which let him see at least 20 some plays a game.

Now PR Against is the best metric but I dont have access to those stats. Hes not awful but hes a JAG.

it's kind of the job requirement

but I'm simply amazed over your evaluation skills, you've managed to do what no other coach in the NFL ever has, determined a player's future from 2, part-time seasons

Since when is a single interception when he got every nickel snap 'developing nicely?' That and his whopping 3 PD is just plain awful. Its like he was never on the field so he was pretty much wasting space.

look at his whole body of work so far, he's been a part-time starter his whole, short career, and already has 4 INTs

that's not that much less than what Sean Taylor started out w/

my main issue is it worth paying Hamlin big-time money, when you can get by w/ adequate FS play? not in my mind

look at the 4 teams in the conference games, and name me their FSs, there was a short study done, that was posted on here a short time ago, where 3 of the 5, highest paid FSs played on losing teams

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

it's kind of the job requirement

but I'm simply amazed over your evaluation skills, you've managed to see what no other coach has, a player's future from 2, part-time seasons



look at his whole body of work so far, he's been a part-time starter his whole, short career, and already has 4 INTs

that's not that much less than what Sean Taylor started out w/

Tackles from a guy that is playing on passing downs can mean that he was getting beat. I also know that many of them were on ST. I love his coverage on kicks.

Im sorry Im not impressed with a guy that made almost no plays and got all the passing downs. Hes better than Davis but thats about all i can give him.

If you like him so be it I just dont understand why.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Of course you're done. You didn't have anything to begin with.

:laugh2: this is why I love you, theo