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Covid 19 sole cause of only 6% of deaths?

Discussion in 'Coronavirus Zone' started by Jake, Aug 30, 2020.

  1. DanteEXT

    DanteEXT Well-Known Member

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    I would imagine the numbers are pretty accurate overall. I am sure there are some added that were erroneous. I am sure there are plenty that were missed. Considering the excess deaths for this year vs last a skew upward of COVID count of significance would seem unlikely.
     
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  2. DakPresgoat

    DakPresgoat Well-Known Member

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    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

    This is a good resource KSK. It talks about deaths as a total and discussed excess deaths. Meaning the increase in the number of deaths over a specified time range, which is more than the normal or average.

    It kind of helps give a good picture of how many more people have died since the pandemic. Not just from Covid directly but also some indirect causes as well (for instance, overdose deaths are also up since the pandemic began) just as one example.

    but that link is a good resource.
     
  3. DanteEXT

    DanteEXT Well-Known Member

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    Good source for information. I also like looking at the weekly counts for select causes. While the CDC says it can take up to 8 weeks for the data to be complete due to the way different states report it does give you an idea. I was looking at this the other day. Weeks 1-35 for this year ending on 8/29 shows +201175 deaths over 2019.

    The total deaths listed were 175687 for COVID-19 (U071, Multiple Cause of Death) and 162,229 for COVID-19 (U071, Underlying Cause of Death). Guessing the first one is COVID with or without comorbidities and the second is COVID with comorbidities but I don't know for sure.
     
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  4. Ghost12

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    Attributing all "excess deaths" to Covid is intellectually bankrupt. Since 2010, there have been an average of 40,000 excess deaths per year in the U.S. One year, that number got as high as 80,000. In other words, even without Covid, we would expect about 40,000 more people to die this year than last year.

    So, to use your own numbers, at the end of August there were 201,175 more deaths compared to the same point in 2019. 175,687 of those were Covid, leaving 25,488 left over. That 25,488 number is 100% within the range of the amount of excess deaths we would expect without Covid. As such, saying all excess deaths must be Covid related is a tremendous fallacy.
     
  5. DanteEXT

    DanteEXT Well-Known Member

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    Who attributed all excess deaths to COVID?
     
  6. Furboy

    Furboy Well-Known Member

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    So, can we please go back to normal then? I am eager to go back to conventions.
     
  7. kskboys

    kskboys Well-Known Member

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    Everyone is too afraid of public reaction to go back to normal. Maybe in DEC.
     
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  8. ABQCOWBOY

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  9. Ghost12

    Ghost12 Well-Known Member

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    A lot of people are trying to attribute all excess deaths to Covid, either directly or via subtle implication. This is hardly the first forum to discuss "excess deaths".
     
  10. DanteEXT

    DanteEXT Well-Known Member

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    I'm not.
     
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  11. Furboy

    Furboy Well-Known Member

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    This year or next year? Cuz the con I wanted to go to in December is cancelled for this year.
     

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