Cowboys’ Environment Shining Through As Perfect Fit For Randy Gregory

[AsthmaField]

Yeah, I would have guessed that you must have smoked a LOT of it...

Nope.

Never.

I was always afraid it would screw up my heroin buzz...

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Of course their production is up. EVERYBODY's production is up in the passing game. Throwing for 4,000 yards used to be an astronomical feat. Now it's as common as 1,000 yards rushing. It's almost nothing.

You're really not getting my point. Receivers all over the league are having huge seasons, and rookies fit right in. But it's a while before they can truly play the position like a real pro. They aren't asked to read defenses in college, and defenses are very simple in college. It's a whole different deal in the pros, and it takes a bit before they get to the point of breaking off routes and being on the same page with quarterbacks.

This is an explosion since 2009. Not exactly the leather helmet era.

Also if you want to look at more normalized numbers..

Last year's rookie class had the 2nd highest percentage of total yards caught by all receivers.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/11/28/7290563/2014-nfl-rookie-receivers-best-ever-1996-1985

More importantly every objective measure we can look at shows that wide receivers are more productive earlier in their careers than ever before. The idea that it takes them 3 years now to acclimate and produce is a fallacy. And has been for some time. But by all means continue with the hyperbole and old thinking.

 

[erod]

This is an explosion since 2009. Not exactly the leather helmet era.

Also if you want to look at more normalized numbers..

Last year's rookie class had the 2nd highest percentage of total yards caught by all receivers.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/11/28/7290563/2014-nfl-rookie-receivers-best-ever-1996-1985

More importantly every objective measure we can look at shows that wide receivers are more productive earlier in their careers than ever before. The idea that it takes them 3 years now to acclimate and produce is a fallacy. And has been for some time. But by all means continue with the hyperbole and old thinking.

Yards are skyrocketing with the new rules on leading with the helmet, illegal contact, etc, no doubt.

Again, you aren't understanding the point. Rookie guys just run pre-designed routes only. Amari Cooper might be the exception. Most of these guys don't even know what a read route is until they get to the pros. Teams can still use them though.

Nowdays, losing teams routinely have 400+ yards. There's stats galore to go around for everybody.

 

[justbob]

Absolutely enough of the drug talk unless it is 100% on thread and relevant.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Yards are skyrocketing with the new rules on leading with the helmet, illegal contact, etc, no doubt.

Again, you aren't understanding the point. Rookie guys just run pre-designed routes only. Amari Cooper might be the exception. Most of these guys don't even know what a read route is until they get to the pros. Teams can still use them though.

Nowdays, losing teams routinely have 400+ yards. There's stats galore to go around for everybody.

I literally just told you that if you take all the yards caught in 2014 and find out how many of those yards were caught by rookie wrs.... last year's class has the 2nd highest percentage ever.

This completely destroys your point of this just being an era thing.

You can fail to admit that rookie wrs are having a huge impact and a growing one over the last 6 years....but you'd just be covering your eyes to the truth.

I always reserve the right to change my mind when presented with new information. What about you?

 

[casmith07]

Absolutely enough of the drug talk unless it is 100% on thread and relative.

relevant*

 

[dfense]

You can find exception with all things, Yes guys like Freeney and Jason Taylor had great success how many failed in the NFL. no one talks about players who fail. My hope is Gregory is one of the exceptions. I like the fact he is putting in the work, I like the fact he knows he has to bulk up. It just seem funny that exceptions are always thrown out there. It is like saying guys who are 5'03" can make it in the NBA since Muggsy Bogues did it.

Who wants to talk about players who fail anyways? The point was, Freeney was great and wasn't 280. I think of it as more of a comparison than an exception.

Charles Haley rookie year 250lbs
Kevin Greene 247lbs
John Abraham 252lbs
Robert Mathis 235lbs wow
Bruce Smith 260lbs
Too Tall Jones 270lbs at 6'9"
Shante Carver 250lbs ..... oops, exception

 

[Doomsday101]

Who wants to talk about players who fail anyways? The point was, Freeney was great and wasn't 280. I think of it as more of a comparison than an exception.

Charles Haley rookie year 250lbs
Kevin Greene 247lbs
John Abraham 252lbs
Robert Mathis 235lbs wow
Bruce Smith 260lbs
Too Tall Jones 270lbs at 6'9"
Shante Carver 250lbs ..... oops, exception

Some of those guys were not considered that small when they played in the NFL Too Tall Jones in the 70's at 270 would not be looked at as a small DE.

No where did I say that Gregory is going to fail it is a concern that I have as a 4-3 DE his ability to be a player who can come in and take on the majority of snaps as a starter at his weight. In a 3-4 I think he would have a lot less problems than lining up in a 4-3 I expect his rookie year his snaps will be some what limited and the team and Gregory has talked about putting on weight which he has somewhat this off season.

Bruce Smith played the majority of his career in the 3-4

 

[justbob]

relevant*

Thanks.... Sometimes even spell check can't help me.

 

[Matt]

I had a lot of doubts about Gregory heading into the draft and after the Cowboys made the selection. Still have concerns about his size as a DE in a 4-3 but thus far have been happy with the work he has put in.

What do you mean his size in a 4-3 DE??
Fits a lot more in this scheme than a 3-4 DE

 

[Longboysfan]

Dunno why, but I began laughing. Not sure if you were being facetious, or jacked that he will be looking great in the preseason against a JAG tackle late in the 4th quarter.

Fun TV.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Gregory didn't even know who Charles Haley was until he got here.

I mean, I know he's young, but what's with these young guys?

I guarantee you, Charles Haley knew who Deacon Jones was when he was drafted.

In that context, I'm sure he knows who Reggie White and Bruce Smith are.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

• I LUV this Thread~!

 

[JDSmith]

Believe it or not, I've never even smoked weed in my life.


Weird, I know.

Neither have I, but I still think the laws and drug testing that goes on for it are stupid.

But that doesn't absolve Gregory because he was stupid enough to get caught smoking when his dream employer doesn't allow it. Hopefully he'll never make that mistake again.

 

[Bullflop]

I had a lot of doubts about Gregory heading into the draft and after the Cowboys made the selection. Still have concerns about his size as a DE in a 4-3 but thus far have been happy with the work he has put in.

His weight concerns me too but reportedly, he's up to around 250-lbs now and fighting to gain more. The good thing about him appears to be his mindset that is so focused on his development. He may struggle for a while as a rookie but in time, I think he'll prove his run-stopping ability. I'm expecting to see him replaced by Mincey or Hardy on run downs and rotated in at DE on 3rd down for much of of his rookie year. I'm fairly confident he'll develop nicely in time with that determined focus of his and his willingness to listen.

 

[Doomsday101]

His weight concerns me too but reportedly, he's up to around 250-lbs now and fighting to gain more. The good thing about him appears to be his mindset that is so focused on his development. He may struggle for a while as a rookie but in time, I think he'll prove his run-stopping ability. I'm expecting to see him replaced by Mincey or Hardy on run downs and rotated in at DE on 3rd down for much of of his rookie year. I'm fairly confident he'll develop nicely in time with that determined focus of his and his willingness to listen.

I hope that is the case. My own view I think he will be somewhat limited this season used primarily as a pass rusher I think his chances after a full season and off season is where he will develop more physically.

 

[Bullflop]

I hope that is the case. My own view I think he will be somewhat limited this season used primarily as a pass rusher I think his chances after a full season and off season is where he will develop more physically.

I wouldn't argue with that at all. I, too, have doubts he'll be suited to do very much as a run stopper in year one. I'd agree that the second year should be where we're most likely to see him blossom, once he's gotten the time to add bulk and get stronger. He fared pretty well at run support in college but it's really a bigger challenge now.

 

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