Cowboys abandon "Air Coryell", officially WCO?

[Kevinicus]

Dez should've been targeted 20 times yesterday. Sure he made a critical miscue with the drop, but I will take my chances with Dez vs. a shrimp CB any day. Especially when the other options are 2-3 yd outs to RBs and TEs. This staff continues to outsmart themselves into mediocrity.

Absolutely, he had one on one coverage with single safety shaded to the opposite side so many times and they continued to ignore it. It was damn frustrating. Should have feasted on that all day.

 

[arglebargle]

More like the Ivory Coast Offense.


YR

I did not see the elephant in that room.....

 

[Matts4313]

I know I am bumping an old thread - but I thought this was relevant. 9 games in and we are still showing signs of calling more WCO type plays than the AC/Garrett type plays.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013...verreacting-to-romos-19-interceptions-in-2012
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013...verreacting-to-romos-19-interceptions-in-2012

Romo is on pace to have the second-most passing yards in his career, but that's a misleading number. This year, the team is giving him far more yards after the catch than it has in previous seasons. The team has undoubtedly shifted from a vertical passing game to more of a short, shallow game and putting the onus on the receivers to make something happen after they have the ball.

There's no question that Dallas has curbed the deep ball from the playbook. Yards In the Air (YIA) is a metric that keeps track of the distance the ball travels between the quarterbacks hands and the receivers. It's basically the other part of the equation to Yards After the Catch. Here's a look at Tony Romo's YIA figures over the last six seasons.

Case in point. Of Tony Romo's 34 completions this past Sunday, only two of them were considered "deep" passes according to the official game book. The Cowboys only completed 14 passes the week prior against Detroit, but none of those were classified as deep passes. The 60-yard score to Terrance Williams and 50-yarder to Dez were both short passes that the receivers took to the house.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Oh my gosh, OP, the length of pass is not what determines whether it's the WCO. It's well-established that this is still Garrett's playbook.

If anything, I'd agree with one theory that that writeup -- that Tony's gotten a little more conservative in trying to avoid INTs.

 

[Matts4313]

Oh my gosh, OP, the length of pass is not what determines whether it's the WCO. It's well-established that this is still Garrett's playbook.

Of course not, but the length of pass is absolutely one indicator of how the offense is trying to attack the defense. In this case, they are attacking horizontally rather than vertically. This offense often resembles youre base WCO.

Secondly - how is that well established? Because you think it is? Even if it is Garretts "system", Callahan is calling the plays that most represent his style.

 

[perrykemp]

I honestly have trouble identifying pure WCO anymore.

The Packers for example -- always been thought of as a WCO team. This year Aaron Rodgers leads the league with a 8.84 yards per passing attempt so it's not a short pass/long pass sort of thing.

In 2010 when they won the Superbowl, they were effectively the 1st team to do with with a predominant 4 WR (Jennings, Driver, Nelson, and Jones) offense. 4 WRs is definitely not a WCO type of thing.

The last pure WCO that looked something like the way Bill Walsh ran it was McNabb under Andy Reid.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Secondly - how is that well established? Because you think it is? Even if it is Garretts "system", Callahan is calling the plays that most represent his style.

Well now you're flip-flopping. The title of the thread is "Cowboys Abandon Air Coryell, Officially WCO?". Then you claimed

But the name of every play, how we call them, and their design has changed.

(Which BTW I have no idea where you got that.)

Now you're saying Callahan may prefer shorter passes within the same system? That probably has happened. But doesn't mean it isn't Garrett's offense.

 

[Matts4313]

I honestly have trouble identifying pure WCO anymore.

The Packers for example -- always been thought of as a WCO team. This year Aaron Rodgers leads the league with a 8.84 yards per passing attempt so it's not a short pass/long pass sort of thing.

In 2010 when they won the Superbowl, they were effectively the 1st team to do with with a predominant 4 WR (Jennings, Driver, Nelson, and Jones). 4 WRs is definately not a WCO type of thing.

The last pure WCO that looked something like the way Bill Walsh ran it was McNabb under Andy Reid.

Solid point. To me, most of these offenses line up with a spread look, but run a lot of WCO plays. The two are very intertwined right now. I continue to use the term WCO because I view it as the mentality of how you are attempting to attack the defense.

 

[Matts4313]

Well now you're flip-flopping. The title of the thread is "Cowboys Abandon Air Coryell, Officially WCO?". Then you claimed



(Which BTW I have no idea where you got that.)

Now you're saying Callahan may prefer shorter passes within the same system? That probably has happened. But doesn't mean it isn't Garrett's offense.

Its not flip-flopping, its discussion. I think that callahan is implementing his system. I also have no proof of that. So I am suggesting an alterantive - the playbook is Garretts, but Bill is calling "his" (or those that resemble his) plays.

Secondly, here you go:

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013...w-offensive-scheme-the-erhardt-perkins-system
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013...em-a-good-fit-for-cowboys-offensive-personnel

Cowboys moving to an Erhardt/Perkins style offense but Garrett will have his own unique fingerprint on it. Oline friendly, fast, dynamic

 

[TrailBlazer]

Look harder? I dont know how you can say that... I just looked at the first two games of last year: Romo threw deep 5 on 29 passes in the first game and 9 of 40 the second game. Thats hovering around throwing deep once ever 5 attempts. This year its closer to 1 out of every 10 attempts.....


This doesnt look like Garretts offense at all.

Wow. The lengths you try to go to just to defend JG.

This is JG's offense. And we will run it until he is ran outta town.

 

[Matts4313]

Wow. The lengths you try to go to just to defend JG.

This is JG's offense. And we will run it until he is ran outta town.

our offense is top 5 in points score, and Romo is having a career year. If I was trying to defend Garrett, wouldn't I claim this is his offense?

c'mon man, do better.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Solid point. To me, most of these offenses line up with a spread look, but run a lot of WCO plays. The two are very intertwined right now. I continue to use the term WCO because I view it as the mentality of how you are attempting to attack the defense.

A west coast offense is not a mentality. Its a playbook. Its a scheme. Like the triple option is called a triple option because that what they run, the triple option. Not because they have the mentality they wanna run the football. You dont switch midseason to a new offensive system.

 

[Beast_from_East]

This offense is not west coast. The WCO traditionally involves a moving pocket, alot of screens (both bubble and smoke screens), and a multitude of crossing patters.

We basically suck at all of this. We hardly ever run crossing patterns, we never move the pocket around because Romo is in shotgun most of the time, and we are probably worse than a Div 2 school when it comes to running screens.

This offense is more of a variation of the spread offense.

 

[TrailBlazer]

our offense is top 5 in points score, and Romo is having a career year. If I was trying to defend Garrett, wouldn't I claim this is his offense?

c'mon man, do better.

You know you love you some JG.

I don't care what the stats say. We haven't played up to our potential on offense this year. I know that. You know that. Everyone knows that. We been down right terrible for extended stretches this season. So no I don't believe you would say this JG's offense if you were trying to defend him. Does anyone know where this guys is gettin this west coast stuff from? Have any coaches or even media members said anything like that?

 

[TrailBlazer]

How do you know he is using Garretts playbook?
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The lack of YAC is because Romo was not putting the ball where it needed to go. Too many throws put the WR at a disadvantage to create more yards. The design was there for YAC.. the execution wasnt.

The lack of YAC is because we don't run enough crossing routes. Not Romo's fault. Lol! All the routes are outside the numbers, it's so Garrett. Ive noticed You twist things around selectively to fit your own agenda.

 

[Beast_from_East]

You know you love you some JG.

I don't care what the stats say. We haven't played up to our potential on offense this year. I know that. You know that. Everyone knows that. We been down right terrible for extended stretches this season. So no I don't believe you would say this JG's offense if you were trying to defend him. Does anyone know where this guys is gettin this west coast stuff from? Have any coaches or even media members said anything like that?

I think he is getting WC from the fact that we are not throwing deep this year. Last year it was like 1 in 5 passes were over 25 yards and this year its like 1 in 10 passes are over 25 yards. I think it is just the defense gambling that we cant drive 10 plays without a mistake. Meaning a hold, a fumble, a tipped pass, a dropped ball, ect......

I think defenses have decided to just drop back and prevent the big play and make Dallas drive the lenght of the field. Romo is just taking what the defense is giving him, so he is not throwing deep this year.........doesnt mean we are WC, just means teams dont think we can drive the field consistently.

 

[TrailBlazer]

I think he is getting WC from the fact that we are not throwing deep this year. Last year it was like 1 in 5 passes were over 25 yards and this year its like 1 in 10 passes are over 25 yards. I think it is just the defense gambling that we cant drive 10 plays without a mistake. Meaning a hold, a fumble, a tipped pass, a dropped ball, ect......

I think defenses have decided to just drop back and prevent the big play and make Dallas drive the lenght of the field. Romo is just taking what the defense is giving him, so he is not throwing deep this year.........doesnt mean we are WC, just means teams dont think we can drive the field consistently.

Those are my thoughts as well.

 

[Matts4313]

A west coast offense is not a mentality. Its a playbook. Its a scheme. Like the triple option is called a triple option because that what they run, the triple option. Not because they have the mentality they wanna run the football. You dont switch midseason to a new offensive system.

I feel like now your arguing just to argue. You get what I meant. Conceptually, strategically.

the principals are the same. Use the pass in lieu of the run, short passes that are meant to spear the def horizontally.

you can run a play out of power I that conceptually is attacking the same area of the field as a traditional WCO play.

 

[5Stars]

I feel like now your arguing just to argue. You get what I meant. Conceptually, strategically.

the principals are the same. Use the pass in lieu of the run, short passes that are meant to spear the def horizontally.

you can run a play out of power I that conceptually is attacking the same area of the field as a traditional WCO play.

I just think they are passing more because they just cannot run the ball. I mean, even if they are ahead in a game they cannot milk the clock with the run because they can't run the ball.

If they could get 7-8 yards run, I'm sure they would.

 

[Matts4313]

The lack of YAC is because we don't run enough crossing routes. Not Romo's fault. Lol! All the routes are outside the numbers, it's so Garrett. Ive noticed You twist things around selectively to fit your own agenda.

what's funny, is the article I just posted showed that we have a lot more YAC this year than previous years. For example the 50 yard slant to Williams last week.

as for crowwing routes, didn't Dez run them back to back series against the Vikes? One a key drop, the other a big gain to help win the game...?