Cowboys allowing 4th most pressure in the league

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This is simply the wrong scheme for a QB like Dak. He needs to be in an offense that is committed to running the ball, and when passing-- moving the pocket on almost every play and giving him short/quick reads ( occasional deep shots as well) or a "dump off or run" option. Instead-- we want him to run this offense like Romo did-- and that is not Dak's game (at least not yet). He doesn't have Tony's ability to manipulate the D or excel in the intermediate passing game.

If only we had a coaching staff committed to putting it's players in the best positions to succeed instead of stubbornly expecting different results while implementing the same scheme.
 

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What a dumb definition...

It says nothing about the TIME when Dak was in the pocket, it only means where the defender was when he threw it. He could have danced for 30 seconds and threw it when a defender was within 2 yards of him and that’s considered pressure..

Plus, these are dropbacks and not shotgun, so if they aren’t using the terms synonymously it’s also crap, because Dak really isn’t a dropback QB anyways and we operate a lot in shotgun.

Also, we don’t throw that much, so any QB pressure for us, PERCENTAGE wise, EVEN PER THIS DUMB DEFINITION, would make this notion of pressure seems bigger than it actually is.

Anybody who watches the tape knows Dak holds onto the ball way too long.


Watson operates from shotgun even more than Dak does.
 

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Tyron is really struggling with speed rushes, he's doing good against power rushers. I suspect his back is the issue.
..either that or he is getting old. Or.. in a bigger nutshell bad technique, lack of better coaching.
 

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It skews back the other way when the QB waits for them to get open then throws late and the defender has time to close the distance so the average is likely a good indicator of separation.

So Swaim is the best TE in the league!
 

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Dak needs to get rid of the ball quicker and stop allowing himself to get sacked...

He holds on to the ball for a long time while he second and third guesses himself into a sack
Maybe because he can’t find an open receiver.
 

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So you're of the opinion that are WRs are fine, TEs are fine, the Oline is fine, and it's only Dak who is this issue?
I'm of the opinion that the WR's and TE are getting open. The Oline can play better but are hardly the main problem. Dak has a lot to improve on...pre snap reads, quick decision making in the pocket, terrible footwork, poor accuracy. Is Dak the only issue? No. He is the biggest one holding this offense back right now though.
 

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Watson operates from shotgun even more than Dak does.

And Watson has also thrown close to fifty times more than Dak. Not sure what your point is...

Saying a QB pressure qualifies as how close a defender is to you when you throw it is the epitome of stupidity. It says nothing about how much time you had in the pocket before the throw was made.
 

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Yes and the coaching staff has none for an offense that can't score and a defense that buckles at the wrong time.
Don’t disagree but you don’t move Collins to LG and Williams to RT in the middle of the season. That’s just going to make things worse.
 

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Maybe I did...we don't have a Hopkins, but Hurns is a guy that has produced and so has Beasley and they are basically garbage right now with the way Dak is playing and as I've shown, it's really not a matter of them not getting open. It's a matter of Dak missing them either in his reads or in the air.


The big difference is that guys like Hurns and Beasley are not going to win contested balls nearly as frequently as a #1WR will. Guys like Hurns and Beasley are left on 1on1 coverage more often because they don't have the talent to beat it on their own consistently, regardless of who the QB is. #1 WRs like Hopkins will consistently beat 1on1 and has the ability to make plays on their own. Sometimes an offense needs that type of player, the type that has the talent to just go get a ball, regardless of the coverage. Dez used to be that type player once upon a time.
 

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..either that or he is getting old. Or.. in a bigger nutshell bad technique, lack of better coaching.
More likely a bad back is the source of his problems. Still, even with a bad back he's still probably in the top 10 of LT's in the league.
 

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La'al - Average to below average tackle
Martin - Pretty good (this year)
Looney - Average center
Williams - Below average guard
Smith - about Average tackle (after injury)

This equates to an average line to below average line.
So now I'm saying that this line isn't good enough, the QB isn't good enough, the receivers suck, the tight ends are average, the Dline is above average, the linebackers are solid, the secondary as a whole is average, the kicking game is good, the entire coaching staff is putrid, the front office is abysmal.

So how do you win with that?
 

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This is simply the wrong scheme for a QB like Dak. He needs to be in an offense that is committed to running the ball, and when passing-- moving the pocket on almost every play and giving him short/quick reads ( occasional deep shots as well) or a "dump off or run" option. Instead-- we want him to run this offense like Romo did-- and that is not Dak's game (at least not yet). He doesn't have Tony's ability to manipulate the D or excel in the intermediate passing game.

If only we had a coaching staff committed to putting it's players in the best positions to succeed instead of stubbornly expecting different results while implementing the same scheme.


The Saints offense would be a good fit. They run more often than people think and they incorporate the short pass to RBs as an extension of the run game with the deep throws mixed in.
 

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The big difference is that guys like Hurns and Beasley are not going to win contested balls nearly as frequently as a #1WR will. Guys like Hurns and Beasley are left on 1on1 coverage more often because they don't have the talent to beat it on their own consistently, regardless of who the QB is. #1 WRs like Hopkins will consistently beat 1on1 and has the ability to make plays on their own. Sometimes an offense needs that type of player, the type that has the talent to just go get a ball, regardless of the coverage. Dez used to be that type player once upon a time.
You're right they won't win contested balls as frequently, so the ball needs to come out on time so they are still open when it gets there. That doesn't happen often.
 

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That plays a part. He's ranked 11th in average time from snap to sack.
where is he throwing it if guys aren't open?

This is what these stats tell me. It also confirms what i have been saying based on actual film study.
 

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And Watson has also thrown close to fifty times more than Dak. Not sure what your point is...

Saying a QB pressure qualifies as how close a defender is to you when you throw it is the epitome of stupidity. It says nothing about how much time you had in the pocket before the throw was made.
Time is only relevant to the type of play being called. Measuring it by how many seconds you have to throw, is only relevant if every team are calling plays that take the same amount of time to develop over and over. Having 3,5 seconds to throw is fine for a quick route, but not so much for a slower developing route, which we call very frequently. It may be imperfect, but almost any method would, but distance the defender to the QB is probably more accurate than just X number of seconds.
 

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You're right they won't win contested balls as frequently, so the ball needs to come out on time so they are still open when it gets there. That doesn't happen often.


So why wouldn't we opt to find a better WRs and TEs with a QB that was already showing signs of struggling last season? Why would people think that not having better talent at WR/TE was actually going to be a good thing?
 
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